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#91 Bananas

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:07 PM

I like all these bandwagoner threads popping up 3 games in... Raymond, Kassian, the goalie "controversy"...

I'll reserve judgement for when players prove themselves -- or not -- in the playoffs, not in the opening week of a shortened regular season filled with players who got drunk and sat on their porches on the Mediterranean beaches all winter long... while their bosses squabbled over peanuts like a bunch of raving chipmunks...

On that note, and to actually contribute somewhat to the discussion... I guess... Raymond has consistently been complete garbage in the play-offs... so I'd still rather trade him to a team who needs a second line winger, and is scrambling to make the play-offs, rather than actually do well in the play-offs...

Edited by Joe_Shmo, 24 January 2013 - 07:07 PM.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:45 PM

Is everyone suffering from mass amnesia? Raymond's struggles started BEFORE his broken back. It can't be his excuse.


Speaking of Amnesia, do you recall he had a broken thumb on his shooting hand in the previous season, and had he played 82 games he would have missed his previous high by all of 7 points.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:46 PM

I like all these bandwagoner threads popping up 3 games in... Raymond, Kassian, the goalie "controversy"...

I'll reserve judgement for when players prove themselves -- or not -- in the playoffs, not in the opening week of a shortened regular season filled with players who got drunk and sat on their porches on the Mediterranean beaches all winter long... while their bosses squabbled over peanuts like a bunch of raving chipmunks...

On that note, and to actually contribute somewhat to the discussion... I guess... Raymond has consistently been complete garbage in the play-offs... so I'd still rather trade him to a team who needs a second line winger, and is scrambling to make the play-offs, rather than actually do well in the play-offs...


Raymond was our best forward in the LA series not named Sedin.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

Raymond was our best forward in the LA series not named Sedin.


Oh, you mean that debacle of a 1st round exit? Yea, Raymond was our 3rd best forward in a stretch of games in which we went 1-4. WOO!!! :towel:

Seriously... why would you... i don't even...
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:24 PM

He has scored 20 goals


Consistently. He had 25 one season, 15 is his next best, then...

His shot accuracy and pace are usually mentioned as things he needs to work on.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:30 PM

Typical CDC thread.

Typical CDC post

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:32 PM

Oh, you mean that debacle of a 1st round exit? Yea, Raymond was our 3rd best forward in a stretch of games in which we went 1-4. WOO!!! :towel:

Seriously... why would you... i don't even...

finish a sentence ;)

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:37 PM

likewise ;)

Edited by Joe_Shmo, 24 January 2013 - 08:37 PM.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:26 PM

Raymond needs to play consistently well. He plays on a team that has a lot of wingers wanting that top 6 spot. If he doesn't there's not really a spot for him on this team, DEPENDING on how the next off-season goes. When everyone is healthy I predict that Raymond and Kassian will be fighting for that top 6 spot, you could maybe throw Higgins in there if he plays better when that time comes. Anything could happen... you just never know.


That's my 2 cents.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:31 PM

He looks a lot better this year, but he always plays really good against Calgary, probably because he was born in Alberta?

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:37 PM

There really is no place for Raymond here. He simply hasn't reached the offensive potential a soft forward needs to have in order to fit on a team that is structured like ours. I'm sure there are teams out there that could use Raymond's skill-set. However, this team struggles with being soft; this team does not struggle with defensive awareness nor does it really struggle with speed.

Simply put, Raymond is redundant/outclassed by other players. Booth is bigger and better offensively. Hansen is better defensively and on the forecheck. Schroeder, if he sticks, is better at passing and and plays C. Burrows is Burrows. Kesler is Kesler.

Raymond is redundant and outclassed, but not without value. There is no doubt that there are teams out there where his skill-set is lacking within a given line-up.

Perhaps his value is too low to bother trading... but his value is certainly not 0. If he were to be traded, it would likely be a result of a throw-in. No harm done, really. He was a 2nd Rounder anyways. If he proves us wrong and turns out to be a consistent 20+ goal scorer who can PK and play D, well that's a win in the first place.

As it stands, he's clogging up the roster IMO (well... when it's healthy)
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:26 PM

First things First. Im not starting this thread because he scored a goal tonight. Im a long time forum reader first time poster. But enough is enough. Apparently this fanbase has to have a whipping boy....
Have none of you ever played on a team before? You support your brothers no matter what. If they have a bad day, week, month, season. You stick by them and support them no matter what. But what baffles me to no end. IS how KESLER gets a free pass last year cuz he is coming of an injury......... Are you serious. RAYMOND had a freaking broken back! Came back before kesler and still managed to put up points. But that isnt enough for you. You have to destroy the kids confidence by ripping on him nonstop.
Now he has had some time to heal and come back strong and there is threads popping up how he is completely useless 2 games in, after having a hatrick in a scrimmage. Ok my vent is over and i hope you haters can focus on whatever is so terrible in your life that you have to rag on a member of this team so you can feel better about yourself. I will go on record right now and say that raymond will have a breakout season and get back to his 25 goal season form. Especially with the chemistry he has found with schroeder. Take from this what you will. But the whole point of being a fan is to support your team no matter what. NOT sit behind your keyboard and bully the sh1t outta them!!!

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:08 PM

I like the message in the OPs post. Why do people feel the need to pick on at least on player on our team at all times?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:24 AM

I like the message in the OPs post. Why do people feel the need to pick on at least on player on our team at all times?


Maybe because the guys who do this sort of thing have really, really small attention spans and also can't remember too many names at one time?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:31 AM

Raymond shouldn't be this team's whipping boy, guys like Burrows, Kesler and Malhotra should be. Their production COMPLETELY dried up at the end of last season and hasn't picked up again this season (we'll see how good Kesler is when he returns).

Burrows was invisibile with the twins counting back to the end of last season, Kesler had something like 1 goal in his last 18 games and Malhotra has struggled to score for the last 2 years. However no one picks on them because they're this teams "leaders", good penalty killers (not anymore actually, our PK is stinking it up) and have scored big goals in the past so everyone loves them.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:39 AM

The difference is Burrows, Kesler and Malhotra do other things good, too... and have built up credibility during their time here.

Raymond hasn't accomplished anything but keeping the ice clean between zambonis...

Yea, Burr hasn't done anything for the first 3 games this season, and Raymond scored a goal. We all know who should be the fan fav, and who should be the whipping boy!

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:27 AM

If he keeps playing like this, we'll have to pick a new whipping boy. Any nominations?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:00 AM

THANK YOU !!!

omg ALL last season I ws readind these boards in disbelive. Yes he had a bad season but like the OP said he had a broken back... im so happy that he recoverd fully and can honestly say that I did not ever participate in this sick raymond bashing. He is a incredibly fast guy and he knows how to drive the puck into the offensive zone and give his teammates the chances to score goals.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:18 AM

I thought he passed to Ballard?

Could be. I was just going from memory...
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

2 goals tonight, drew 2 penatlies. Looked strong on his feet. Went to the dirty areas. Loving what Im seeing from may ray!!!
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:23 PM

If he keeps playing like this, we'll have to pick a new whipping boy. Any nominations?


King?

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:22 AM

Did anyone catch Gary Valk's comments last night (on Sportsnet)? Gary knows what he's talking about. A former Canuck and NHLer. I'll take his comments over most of the CDCers any time.

MayRay played great in Anaheim. Great speed, strong on his skates and 2 goals. Anyone who knows hockey can see he is a different player than last year. Much stronger. It seems his wrist shot has a lot more zip. And it's not just about the points he's getting, as Gary said, he drew two penalties because of his speed and work with the puck. MayRay is back.

PS His centreman, Jordan Schroeder, had a good game. They seem to compliment each other.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:41 AM

good to see mayray getting back into form. ::D

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:02 PM

It was one goal

Wait for him to drop off the face of the earth this weekend


Lol ...

There was never any doubt that Raymond played terribly after his back injury, i feel he should get a free pass on last season. So far this season he has contributed a lot to this hockey team and deserves a bit of recognition.

Let's hope he can keep it up, he looks great with Schroeder.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:24 PM

Picking on Raymond is just sooo easy. He is the weakest Canuck. Kind of like abusing your kid sister. I get it.

Reality of the situation is......his speed, skill, and defensive awareness are pretty much top 3 on our team in these categories and last time i checked they are pretty important components to a hockey players value. Having Raymond in our line up allows us to push the pace of a game to a level many teams cannot maintain and this alone makes us a better team.

So far what i have seen of his play he looks stronger and his shot looks deadly.....a offseason of training and building his game instead of re habbing from a potentially career ending injury could pay off big time.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:40 PM

Typical CDC post


Typical CDC reply.

Raymond ver 2 is much better. skating well, not afraid to going to the slot area, and still has a great shot. need other guys to step up to too. higgy, burr, lappy all a bit too quiet
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:46 PM

It was one goal

Wait for him to drop off the face of the earth this weekend


Man people like you just need to stop posting
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:05 PM

We need Raymond to succeed this year with our injury problems. I can't lie and say that I haven't been hard on MayRay. But I have turned the page and will be rooting for him everytime he hits the ice. If we want any chance at going deep into the playoffs. We need three scoring lines. And MayRay could be one of the answers to an anemic 3rd line. I know he has the skill to hold onto the puck and go where ever he wants with it. He just needs the will. And the last 3 games he has shown flashes of MayRay 2009-10. The kid's got speed to burn and a sick set of hands. And an above average wrist shot. Let's all give him the opportunity to show us he still has it. Because realistically, there is not a damn thing we can do about it but hope for the best. And that being a 13-16 goal season this year. Anything more would be a bonus, anything less would be a disappointment.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:33 PM

"Raymond needs to play consistently well"


That's true and applies equally to more than half the team. Or maybe you exclude your favourites from having the same standards.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

"Raymond needs to play consistently well"


That's true and applies equally to more than half the team. Or maybe you exclude your favourites from having the same standards.
Hypocrisy is a terrible affliction.


Like this post.

Also, like I've always said, you'd have to have played the game at some meaningful level to understand the reasons behind Raymonds lack of productivity. It has nothing to do with the skill, toughness, grit, etc.... The guy had a broken back.. to even come back from that is a feat in itself. To come back and play at an NHL level shows more determination, will and courage than anyone on this board can even imagine. Hes a human being, made with the same parts as you and I... it was going to take time for him to heal and play at the level management and fans expect from him. For the regular fan who just simply watches, its easy to critique.... but unless you've played at a high level after suffering a serious injury, you really have no right to critique him. I have friends and teammates who've played at high levels, and friends who havent played at all and ive yet to come across a teammate that feels Raymond is useless to this club. We've seen what he can do when healthy, and clicking with his linemates... Its time fans start giving some players the benefit of the doubt.




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