The Kassian-CoHo deal
Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:49 AM
credit to allons-y
Certainly going to be our #1 defensemen. Give him a couple more years to improve his game and he'll be our new and improved version of Matthias Ohlund in no time
Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:56 AM
I think up with the Sedins is a good position for him. He will learn loads and improve no end (as Burrows did) and it might also help the Twins to know there is a guy there who can knock the block off anyone who messes with them.
Now lets just put a few good results together.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:12 AM
The word fear is not in our dictionary, it is in the eyes of the enemy.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:17 AM
Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:43 AM
Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:57 AM
Up until now Vancouver has lost the trade, look at how CoHo did last year. Kass has had a great start to the year, and if he continues to play with the twins his confidence and offensive understanding will only go up..
To compare this year at this point is just ridiculous at this point, let at least 10 games happen before starting to bring out the measuring stick.
I'm not saying Kass is a bust or terrible or even average, just give it time. Everyone knows how the twins can make someone look good, so just hope that Kass keeps doing well and gets a chance to learn the offensive side of the game from 2 of the best in the league.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:38 AM
Edited by spentral, 24 January 2013 - 05:38 AM.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:44 AM
The amount of facial hair on this man is too damn high
Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:23 AM
Also, those 2 goals from CoHo were more like soccer plays, kicked it in and headed it in.
Edited by DRÀCÓN SLÀYÉR, 24 January 2013 - 07:24 AM.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:32 AM
McCoy: We were speculating. Is God really out there?
Kirk: Maybe he's not out there, Bones. Maybe he's right here. [points to his heart]
Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:12 AM
Most fans of other teams in the east that run down the Canucks never even watch Canuck games beacause of the start times. They pile on the Canucks because it is the cool thing to do driven by the media, cant have another team taking the shine off a dirty Leaf.
I guess Sabres fans are saying that Kassian isn't boding too well for us.. Too bad they haven't watched how well he started the year.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:14 AM
You have to love the physical and offense threat that kassian has shown he has. Just wait till he gets more consistent and could possibly put up 30 goals 60 points.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:18 AM
I like the crazy man element that he brings to the team...we need that. Someone that makes the other team wonder what the hell he's going to do. He crashes the net (literally) and is playing with intensity and fire right now. A welcome spark for sure. And he won all kinds of points with me for taking Eager down (who I despise). Don't like to hear that any player is concussed, but if ever there was one who asked for it, it's him.
You can be livin the dream at home. Dont even need to put yer pants on.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:24 AM
At the start, we were all bashing this claiming that CoHo was gonna be a star and such. Cody currently has 2 goals and is +4. Zack has 2 goals (and a dandy of shootout goal) and is +1. I haven't seen Cody play yet this year, but from what I've seen Zack do for us, I'm really beginning to think we snatched up our Lucic or Brown. IMO, we've won this deal.
So far, the deal looks like it's been good for both teams. Sabres got what they needed and we got what we needed.
It's only been three games into the season, but Kass has been our best forward...I suppose that's the benefit of having started the season in October, as opposed to January. Lets hope that Kass can keep up this level of play as the Sedins start to find their game.
Let me digress and dream a little, though...are the Hockey Gods smiling upon the Canucks and finally giving us an elite power forward in the likeness of Todd Bertuzzi for having gifted away elite power forwards in Cam Neely and Rick Vaive in the past? I hope so.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:26 AM
I'd like to start having more discussions about Kassian where Hodgson isn't brought up in every other sentence.
Edited by One one two, 24 January 2013 - 08:30 AM.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:41 AM
The only thing he's shown to me this season is that he has some skill that he didn't show last season, and he has some heart.
Cody also has two goals this season, so I don't think it is realistic to say, even based on the current stats and Kassian playing so well that we "won" the trade. At this point this season, I'd say it looks fairly even. (Which is better than it appeared last season)
If Kassian continues playing like this he will be successful. But you can't base a player on just a few games. So for me, the jury is still out on we did on the trade and probably will be until at least the end of the season... but more likely in a couple of years until it becomes clear on how we did with that trade.
And let's not forget, we did get Gragnani in the trade as well.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 08:58 AM
Edited by Mr. White, 24 January 2013 - 08:59 AM.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:14 AM
Hodgson and kassian line mates for canada 2018 lol!
Way too many great centers...
Sidney Crosby's still only be 30.
Claude Giroux will only be 30.
Jonathan Toews will be 29.
Steven Stamkos will be 27.
John Tavares will be 27.
RNH will be 24.
All in their prime.
Ryan Getzlaf, Eric Staal, Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, Patrice Bergeron - the star-studded 2003 draft class - will be 32, meaning some of them will still be in their prime to make the team.
And then the 2nd tier centers are: Jordan Staal, Cody Hodgson, Sean Couturier, Brayden Schenn, Logan Couture, Jeff Skinner, etc.
And don't count out this year's draft class standouts like Nathan McKinnon and Sean Monahan, and also Connor McDavid of 2015 who will be a beast.
As for the power forward position?
Milan Lucic, Corey Perry, Rick Nash, Chris Stewart... Who knows how many of these guys will still be efficient in 5 years, given the shelf life of power forwards. Nash will be too old, Milan will probably have knocked himself out by then due to the amount of fights he has, and Perry will still be relevant and make the team.
And currently, there is Evander Kane and Jamie Benn ahead of Kassian, and Marcus Foligno who is on par that could contend for 2018.
Position-wise, Kassian has a better chance of making it because it's so rare to have a big, mean power forward with a scoring touch.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:25 AM
All i'm saying is Cody has been playing extremely well in buffalo this year looking really strong everytime he's on the ice. His goals weren't highlight real goals but he's had a ton of chances where you no he'll be baring it later in the year.
Both team exchanged two (four) players for each other that fill different team needs. Both players look like they are paying off. There is no Kassian is better because....or cody is better because...it's simply Kassian is better for vancouver because....and cody is a better fit with buffalo because.... Apples and oranges.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 09:33 AM
Still too early to tell but from the even before they were drafted CoHo has been rated higher, was drafted higher and received a bigger contract so all signs have pointed to Kassian as being an important role player and to CoHo a being a future captain and major point producer.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:21 AM
Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:46 AM
Kasserbation at it's finest.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:02 PM
Vancouver had great depth at centre, but Hodgson had too much potential to be stuck behind Sedin and Kesler. For good reason, he wanted to be put in a situation where he could be relied on more offensively, pad his stats, and receive a fair paycheck when his contract came to term. Buffalo needed a young centre with potential to fill the void that the oft injured Connolly left and the departed Derek Roy provided.
Buffalo, on the other hand, didn't have a huge need for Kassian; at least, more than the Canucks needed. They have a few bodies that can be thrown around to protect their star players already. The aquisition of Ott helps that even more. Could the Sabres had benefited from keeping Kassian? Absolutely. But they had a more pressing need for a player like Hodgson.
Both teams win.
Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:14 PM