Hobble Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 "The good thing about science is it is true whether you believe in it or not." - NDT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 But that's irrelevant to the current change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMonk Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Says who? You? Mankind is irrelevant compared to the age of this planet. So what, are you saying this "current" change is solely caused by mankind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Hartnell's Mane Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Says who? You? Mankind is irrelevant compared to the age of this planet. So what, are you saying this "current" change is solely caused by mankind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 It is irrelevant because it is illogical. In a trial you are deciding if company X is responsible for the collapse of building A, does the fact that company X was not responsible for collapse of building B have any bearing? In the trial of James Holmes, is the fact that he was not responsible for the Columbine shooting relevant? BP wasn't involved in the Exxon Valdez spill, is that relevant in deciding whether BP is responsible for the Deepwater horizon spill? Along the same line, the fact that human was not responsible for past climate change in the past is irrelevant in assessing the role of human activity for the current warming. What you need to do is to analyze the current natural and human contribution to the warming to decide how much of a role human has. The evidence all suggest that the role of human is dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Hartnell's Mane Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 It doesn't matter who was responsible - all that matters (as far as a court goes) is what you can prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryten Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Arguing about whether or not climate change is man-made or not is a monumental waste of time. How about instead everyone acknowledge that we pollute the Earth with substances that don't just change long-term weather patterns, but directly destroy species that are relied upon for other types of life to survive. Indicator species have been revealing huge issues on a molecular scale for decades now and since those issues have not been resolved, larger animals are being affected due to our apathetic attitude towards these problems (our favorite whale, the Orca for example: http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/oceans/contaminants/toxicologie-marine-toxicology-eng.htm ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Well I hate to say this but in an Environmental Court, Humanity would be found guilty of destroying the ecosystem and negatively affecting the climate change cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMonk Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 It doesn't matter who was responsible - all that matters (as far as a court goes) is what you can prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 To prove something you need relevant facts. I explained in post 83 why "climate has changed before humans" is a fact irrelevant to what we want to prove, do you agree? if not, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Well I hate to say this but in an Environmental Court, Humanity would be found guilty of destroying the ecosystem and negatively affecting the climate change cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Yup Except Heretic, he doesn't affect the climate he is too busy burying his head in the sand to leave a carbon footprint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Hartnell's Mane Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 I agree - but it can't be proven (at least I doubt it) that we are the sole cause for climate change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Is being only an accomplice to the destruction of fragile ecosystems somehow more excusable than being the sole perpetrator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Hartnell's Mane Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Nope...not at all...I just don't like people talking in absolutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Which is why I said humanity would be found guilty. Even if it's only partially our fault...it is still our fault..Never once did I make the claim that humans are the sole reason for the climate change...but are we at fault? Absolutely we are. Whether it's 0.1% or 99.9999% our fault, we do affect the environment negatively, we do destroy ecosystems and endanger wildlife, and we do owe it to if not ourselves then future generations to try to effect a positive change. The problem as I stated before is no one is listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Hartnell's Mane Posted January 25, 2013 Author Share Posted January 25, 2013 Well I instituted the first recycling program this rural podunk area has ever seen and I ride a bike nearly everywhere I go...I'd say I'm at least doing my part to turn this around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMonk Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I agree but what is it we really want to prove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Be the change you wish to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Well I hate to say this but in an Environmental Court, Humanity would be found guilty of destroying the ecosystem and negatively affecting the climate change cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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