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#1 Ray Canuck

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:48 AM

Has anybody heard if the topic of realignment was brought up during the CBA talks?
Thought is was a good idea and was looking forward to it, seems only Fehr was against it for leverage reasons.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 10:54 AM

I've been wondering that myself.

I know the NHLPA turned down the proposal that was tabled last January....all I have read is a potential switch of Detroit and Winnipeg for next season, then maybe a full realignment the following one.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

odds are it was discussed and agreed upon during negotiations, but since it was a separate issue, and not part of the CBA itself then it's not going to be announced until this summer.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:33 AM

odds are it was discussed and agreed upon during negotiations, but since it was a separate issue, and not part of the CBA itself then it's not going to be announced until this summer.

^This.

They had enough trouble getting a CBA agreement (which they're still hashing out the final details on) so they've set aside other things, like NHL involvement in the next Olympics and realignment. They'll certainly be talking about it soon and perhaps have an agreement in place in time for the schedule to be created as early as next season.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:40 AM

I was wondering the same. I really liked what they had proposed.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:42 AM

Apparently, Tom Gaglardi (owner of the Stars) was on Dan Russell last night and indicated that he expected realignment to go through this coming summer, pretty much the way we saw it, but that there may be some changes to the playoffs to be settled on first. Or something like that.

I didn't actually hear the interview, I only got the abridged version after the interview was over.

From Russell's Twitter...

Dallas owner T Gagliardi tells CKNW that he expects NHL realignment to take place next year. And every team to play once in every building!


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:58 PM

Seattle has their NBA team so the NHL will come quickly to Seattle. Just in time as far as I'm concerned as the way the Oilers look Van has to scram to another division! Rather they play in the Pacific anyways for the same time zone and a rival only half an hour away.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:18 PM

Latest info:

http://espn.go.com/b...nment-is-coming

"If all goes well between the NHLPA and NHL -- the two sides are slated to meet again next week -- the NHL could have a realignment framework for the 30 owners to vote on the week of Feb. 25. Similarly, the NHLPA would run the realignment plan past its executive board (30 player reps) for approval.

Several team executives and governors contacted by ESPN.com Tuesday were in the dark about what the league was determining for realignment. And just what exactly the league and union have been working on the past two weeks, neither NHL nor NHLPA officials would divulge Tuesday. But it’s believed the framework is a slight variation from the December 2011 realignment format. And when I say variation, I believe there are a couple of teams that have been switched around from the original December 2011 format."
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:25 PM

And why would it be agreed upon months ago and not announced?
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:09 PM

I hope it stays the same.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:15 PM

And why would it be agreed upon months ago and not announced?

because phoenix will be in seattle.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:16 PM

Conference A
Anaheim
Calgary
Colorado
Edmonton
Los Angeles
Phoenix
San Jose
Vancouver

Conference B
Chicago
Columbus
Dallas
Detroit
Minnesota
Nashville
St. Louis
Winnipeg

Conference C
Boston
Buffalo
Florida
Montreal
Ottawa
Tampa Bay
Toronto

Conference D
Carolina
New Jersey
New York Islanders
New York Rangers
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Washington

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:19 PM

They're making this so difficult :picard:
Winnipeg goes into the Central, Nashville goes to the Southeast. Start with that, atleast it solves the major issue of Winnipeg.
If they want to make more dramatic changes after that, they can go ahead and get to work, at least the biggest problem will have been dealt with.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:02 PM

@JSportsnet
Timeline for realignment appears to be accelerating. Told that resolution expected before the end of February.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:54 PM

Conference A
Anaheim
Calgary
Colorado
Edmonton
Los Angeles
Phoenix
San Jose
Vancouver

Conference B
Chicago
Columbus
Dallas
Detroit
Minnesota
Nashville
St. Louis
Winnipeg

Conference C
Boston
Buffalo
Florida
Montreal
Ottawa
Tampa Bay
Toronto

Conference D
Carolina
New Jersey
New York Islanders
New York Rangers
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Washington


Boston has to love the looks of that...
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:00 PM

But when Phoenix moves to Québec city?
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:53 PM

Just keep it the same.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:39 PM

They're making this so difficult :picard:
Winnipeg goes into the Central, Nashville goes to the Southeast. Start with that, atleast it solves the major issue of Winnipeg.
If they want to make more dramatic changes after that, they can go ahead and get to work, at least the biggest problem will have been dealt with.


it's not that simple because then you'll have a team west of the Wild in the central, while the Wild stays in the Northwest? It makes more sense to move Winnipeg to the Northwest, Wild to the Central and Preds to Southeast.

Personally I don't care what they come up with as long as the Blues, Wings, Hawks and Wild are together so we can have the old Norris division rivals back together again
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 04:53 PM

I want it to stay how it is except obviously move Winnipeg out of the Southeast. Probably swap Winnipeg to the West and Columbus to the East.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

All they have to do is move Nashville to the Southeast and Winnipeg to the Central.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 07:53 PM

@JSportsnet
Timeline for realignment appears to be accelerating. Told that resolution expected before the end of February.


Yeah I believe they're trying to do it quickly so that the new divisions/potential schedule can be drawn up as they make a decision on the Olympics next year.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:05 PM

Here's an article from yesterday with more info, a nice little colour-coded graphic to show which division's teams end up where, and quotes from Gillis & Ballard. Also the insane revelation that over the past 4 seasons, our record against Northwest opponents is 72-22-9!

Canucks fans suffering from a case of Northwest Division-itis can take heart. National Hockey League realignment appears to be back on track.
The league and the NHL Players’ Association have been discussing realignment in recent weeks and there’s a chance a proposal could be voted on by the board of governors as early as later this month.
“Discussions on realignment are ongoing and we hope to be in a position to present something to our board soon,” NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said Wednesday in an email to The Vancouver Sun. “We are working with the Players’ Association in terms of constructing something that we think will work well for our league and for the game going forward.”
Such a proposal is expected to be similar to one approved by the board of governors in December 2011. That proposal consisted of four conferences, two with eight teams and two with seven. The Canucks were grouped with Edmonton, Calgary, San Jose, Los Angeles, Anaheim, Phoenix and Colorado.
Vancouver general manager Mike Gillis is all for realignment, largely because he thinks it would slightly ease the team’s travel burden.
“We like it because we would play more games in our time zone,” Gillis said. “We wouldn’t have to travel to places like Columbus and Nashville as much. It would keep us more in the West.”
Canucks’ defenceman Keith Ballard isn’t convinced realignment would make all that much difference to the team’s travel.
“Geographically, it probably makes sense,” Ballard said. “But unless they are going to put some more teams in Alberta and B.C., we still won’t have that easy of a travel schedule.
“For us, I don’t know how much difference it makes. I guess maybe you eliminate some of those long trips to places like Nashville and Columbus.”
The biggest benefit could be for fans. There has been considerable discussion in Vancouver of late about the quality of the Northwest Division. Tuesday’s 2-1 win over the Minnesota Wild ran the Canucks’ division record this season to 6-0-1. In the last four seasons and the early part of this one, the Canucks have gone 72-22-9 against the Northwest Division. Vancouver was the lone Northwest team to make the playoffs the past two seasons and some have suggested so much time spent playing weak division opponents does not make for great playoff preparation.
“That’s people not from Vancouver that tend to want to attribute our success to the failure of other teams,” Gillis said. “Well, they are still hard games, they are still good teams.”
But Gillis does acknowledge that realignment would have an added benefit for fans and that existing rivalries with teams such as the Sharks, Kings and Ducks would intensify if the Canucks were playing in the same conference as the three California teams.
“It would be different for a period of time, something new,” Gillis said. “I think there’s a benefit to fans.”
Of course, the Canucks’ new conference, as it was proposed just over a year ago, would include all the Northwest Division teams save the Wild, who would join a conference that would include Chicago, Columbus, Dallas, Detroit, Nashville, St. Louis and Winnipeg.
Ballard doesn’t think the current weakness of the Northwest Division should be used as a rallying cry for realignment.
“You can’t realign divisions and conferences every time teams go through down years,” Ballard said. “Every couple of years it’s going to be a different group of teams. You look at Edmonton, they are going to get better every year ... You are never going to find perfect parity in all of the divisions.”
Daniel Sedin said realignment is not currently a big issue inside the Vancouver dressing room.
“I don’t think we care too much about that,” he said. “It’s fun to see some different teams and play them more. But if you look at the teams now in the Western Conference, it’s pretty tight. I don’t think it matters too much what division you are in or who you play against. It’s going to be tough either way.”
Daniel’s right. The fans probably care more about realignment than the players. Under the most recent proposal, those in eight-team conferences would play one another five or six times each season. In the seven-team conferences, teams would play one another six times.
But what fans will most like is the fact every team would play every other team outside its conference in a home-and-away series.
The top four teams in each of the four conferences would make the playoffs and that has created questions about teams playing in the two seven-team conferences having a competitive advantage. That is believed to be one of the concerns the NHLPA had when the board passed its realignment proposal 26-4 just over a year ago.
“Regardless of what we come up with, it’s not going to be perfect,” Daly said Wednesday. “That’s just the nature of the beast we’re dealing with. And, I think the union and the players understand that.”
One longer-term solution would be expansion. The addition of two teams would give the NHL a total of 32 and allow for four eight-team conferences.

Read more: http://www.vancouver...l#ixzz2KvvOpVF2
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

Conference A
Anaheim
Calgary
Colorado
Edmonton
Los Angeles
Phoenix
San Jose
Vancouver

Conference B
Chicago
Columbus
Dallas
Detroit
Minnesota
Nashville
St. Louis
Winnipeg

Conference C
Boston
Buffalo
Florida
Montreal
Ottawa
Tampa Bay
Toronto

Conference D
Carolina
New Jersey
New York Islanders
New York Rangers
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Washington


You forgot Seattle and Quebec.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:27 PM

You forgot Seattle and Quebec.

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There would have to be 2 expansion teams to make that conference system fair, otherwise some teams get 4 in 7 chance at the playoffs and some get 4 in 8 and Toronto gets a 1 in 1,000,000 (so at least that doesn't change)
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:34 PM

They had better figure out a way to make the playoff seeding fair with whatever re-alignment they go with. Having some conferences with more teams than others and less chance to make the playoffs is patently unfair no matter how you look at it.

You could work something with wildcard/crossover where the top 3 in each conference makes the playoffs and the remaining 4 best teams regardless of conference make it too.

The other issue is how often teams play each other... some conferences in this set up hardly have to get on a plane all season if they play most of their games in conference.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:17 PM

There would have to be 2 expansion teams to make that conference system fair, otherwise some teams get 4 in 7 chance at the playoffs and some get 4 in 8 and Toronto gets a 1 in 1,000,000 (so at least that doesn't change)


Yeah, Seattle and Quebec. Two city's that want and could support a hockey franchise and also fill out the Leauge.

Win win.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:14 PM

If they put a team in seattle... i dont know what ill do... :sadno:

Edited by Oregon Canucky, 15 February 2013 - 01:15 PM.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:25 PM

The only thing that would make it fair would be making the NE Division run a marathon every other day during hockey season. Those guys log half the miles that western teams do. Talk about a major advantage!
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:26 PM

Keep it two conferences! I hate the playoff format!
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:26 AM

It is asinine to have 8 teams in each western conference and 3 time zones vs the eastern teams going as far west as Toronto and 7. This is a huge advantage for the east.
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