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#1 Wetcoaster

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

Just when you thought Republicans could not get any more wacky, this happens.

So a woman who has been sexually assaulted and becomes pregnant - so she gets an abortion... and then is charged criminally for "tampering with evidence" under law proposed by New Mexico state Rep. Cathrynn Brown ®.

But hey this is all about punishing the perp and protecting women and has nothing to do with abortion, right?

Fortunately this bill is unlikely to pass. And Republicans wonder why they have problems attracting women voters...

Here is the proposed bill:
http://www.nmlegis.g...ouse/HB0206.pdf


New Mexico Bill Would Criminalize Abortions After Rape As 'Tampering With Evidence'


A Republican lawmaker in New Mexico introduced a bill on Wednesday that would legally require victims of rape to carry their pregnancies to term in order to use the fetus as evidence for a sexual assault trial.


House Bill 206, introduced by state Rep. Cathrynn Brown ®, would charge a rape victim who ended her pregnancy with a third-degree felony for "tampering with evidence."


“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime," the bill says.


Third-degree felonies in New Mexico carry a sentence of up to three years in prison.


Pat Davis of ProgressNow New Mexico, a progressive nonprofit opposing the bill, called it "blatantly unconstitutional" on Thursday.


“The bill turns victims of rape and incest into felons and forces them to become incubators of evidence for the state,” he said. “According to Republican philosophy, victims who are ‘legitimately raped’ will now have to carry the fetus to term in order to prove their case.“


The bill is unlikely to pass, as Democrats have a majority in both chambers of New Mexico's state legislature.


UPDATE: 12:25 p.m. -- Brown said in a statement Thursday that she introduced the bill with the goal of punishing the person who commits incest or rape and then procures or facilitates an abortion to destroy the evidence of the crime.


“New Mexico needs to strengthen its laws to deter sex offenders,” said Brown. “By adding this law in New Mexico, we can help to protect women across our state.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/new-mexico-abortion-bill_n_2541894.html
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:43 PM

To laugh or to cry?
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

Perhaps if Cathrynn Brown were in the same shoes as a rape victim she'd have a much different perspective.

I would like to say the stupidity of this bill (along with the creator of it) takes the cake but I'm sure we have yet to see even more evidence of Republican ignorance and inanity that will trump even this. :(

This woman's ignorance is astounding.......DNA can be obtained from fetal tissue after an abortion has been performed. Stupid is as stupid does.

Protect women? :picard: No, let's victimize them even more.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

I was going to get worried there, then I realised this Republican doesn't have good odds in his state of getting this passed in a Democratic held House and Senate. It looks more like a ploy for attention (thus funds) from certain political action committees.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:51 PM

To laugh or to cry?

Or perhaps...
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:52 PM

So, if a man gets raped he can't take a shower?
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

So, if a man gets raped he can't take a shower?



That's the best place for it though :ph34r:
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

Well she is a lawyer, so what can you expect, eh???



House District 55 ® – Cathrynn Brown (i)
Posted ImageNAME: Cathrynn N. Brown
POLITICAL PARTY: Republican
RESIDENCE: Carlsbad
AGE: 55
EDUCATION: Bachelor of Arts in Political Science, Reed College; Juris Doctor in Law, University of Idaho.
OCCUPATION: Attorney and editor
FAMILY: Husband, Michael Brown; five children

POLITICAL/GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE: State Representative, District 55, 2011-present; Chairwoman, Rules Committee, Republican Party of New Mexico, 2008-11; Executive Committee, Republican Party of New Mexico, 2007-present; State Central Committee, 2005-present; Chairwoman, Republican Party of Eddy County, 2005-08....
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

.......DNA can be obtained from fetal tissue after an abortion has been performed. Stupid is as stupid does.


First thing I thought too
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:56 PM

I was going to get worried there, then I realised this Republican doesn't have good odds in his state of getting this passed in a Democratic held House and Senate. It looks more like a ploy for attention (thus funds) from certain political action committees.


Maybe if they reigned those in it might take away some of the incentive for the crazies to ply their trade.

But what fun would that be right?
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:58 PM

Maybe if they reigned those in it might take away some of the incentive for the crazies to ply their trade.

But what fun would that be right?

It would certainly shake the landscape a bit.

Personally, I'd just be happy with a flat out revolt against US politicians, but removing those private funds would help too. ;)

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:03 PM

First thing I thought too

Which is why the goal of the legislation is transparently obvious - just another wack-a-doodle Republican.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

I applaud republican efforts here. The newborn baby must be interrogated to see if it is indeed a rape baby.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

I applaud republican efforts here. The newborn baby must be interrogated to see if it is indeed a rape baby.

Yup, if it doesn't come out deformed and/or mentally challenged, then clearly the woman must have enjoyed it since her body would have prevented the fetus from developing properly if by some act of Satan she did still get pregnant. So the woman must carry to term so they can test the baby's intelligence and physical capabilities, while also obtaining the name and a description of the man that fathered it.

But seriously, logic tells us that if she had an abortion for a pregnancy resulting from rape, that would be evidence enough of the rape itself. They'd certainly have physical evidence to work with (and even draw DNA from in the event it wasn't collected immediately after the rape?) from the aborted fetus.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

hard to say.

in Brazil abortion is a crime and nobody will change it here, unless the girl is sexually assaulted, or the baby causes some problem to motherīs life. if the babyīs life is in danger the mother has option to continue or abort. in these situations it must be proved by police and medical statements...

in any other case, the girl and the boy go to the jail for 7 years. and during the Military era it was even worse...

and with all respect, Itīs very fair!


want have sexy without kids? USE a CONDOM! itīs not babyīs fault if you donīt want him/her, he/she cannot defend him/herself from you and your ego!

a condom isnīt expensive, in fact is very very cheap. you dummy boy go there, buy as many condoms you want, use it and F$%%Ļ@ with responsability.


want sexy?

donīt want kids?

USE a CONDOM!
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

hard to say.

in Brazil abortion is a crime and nobody will change it here, unless the girl is sexually assaulted, or the baby causes some problem to mother´s life. if the baby´s life is in danger the mother has option to continue or abort. in these situations it must be proved by police and medical statements...

in any other case, the girl and the boy go to the jail for 7 years. and during the Military era it was even worse...

and with all respect, It´s very fair!


want have sexy without kids? USE a CONDOM! it´s not baby´s fault if you don´t want him/her, he/she cannot defend him/herself from you and your ego!

a condom isn´t expensive, in fact is very very cheap. you dummy boy go there, buy as many condoms you want, use it and F$%%¨@ with responsability.


want sexy?

don´t want kids?

USE a CONDOM!


Lol. Pro lifers are so funny.

Edited by Lockout Casualty, 24 January 2013 - 04:10 PM.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

Lol. Pro lifers are so funny.


Iīm just saying that itīs easier use a condom instead do and abortion. itīs really hard use a condom instead kill an inocent without option? what about the girl choose better boys instead those sucker that just F$%&* and leave the girl?during the military era in Brazil the authorities used to punish girl and boy by killing them by shooting them, or leaving them to the feared "Jacareacangaīs ditch", many people prefered the death instead going to Jacareacanga...
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:19 PM

I´m just saying that it´s easier use a condom instead do and abortion. it´s really hard use a condom instead kill an inocent without option? what about the girl choose better boys instead those sucker that just F$%&* and leave the girl?during the military era in Brazil the authorities used to punish girl and boy by killing them by shooting them, or leaving them to the feared "Jacareacanga´s ditch", many people prefered the death instead going to Jacareacanga...


Did you even read the original post in this thread? It doesn't seem so because condoms have nothing to do with the bil as it's about women already pregnant by rape or incest.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

Did you even read the original post in this thread?  It doesn't seem so because condoms have nothing to do with the bil as it's about women already pregnant by rape or incest.


yes I readed the entire post. and to add, "incest" is simply bizarre to me...in this case Iīm in favor of an abortion, New Mexico law is simply bizarre. so you must suffer for the next 9 months for a baby youīre forced to have? no. thatīs traumatising...Republicans seems to live on another type of universe. maybe a "Rebublicanland"?

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:26 PM

in this case I´m in favor of an abortion, New Mexico law is simply bizarre. so you must suffer for the next 9 months for a baby you´re forced to have? no. that´s traumatising...Republicans seems to live on another type of universe. maybe a "Rebublicanland"?


:lol: I agree, I sometimes believe they are definitely not of this world!
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:40 PM

I´m just saying that it´s easier use a condom instead do and abortion. it´s really hard use a condom instead kill an inocent without option? what about the girl choose better boys instead those sucker that just F$%&* and leave the girl?during the military era in Brazil the authorities used to punish girl and boy by killing them by shooting them, or leaving them to the feared "Jacareacanga´s ditch", many people prefered the death instead going to Jacareacanga...


Now that's not funny. Just sad.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:05 PM

I applaud republican efforts here. The newborn baby must be interrogated to see if it is indeed a rape baby.


WHERE'S THE FETUS?? WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR??

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

What if the woman has a pregnancy complication? A family history of contraption problems? Do you just put her at further risk? This is a pretty dumb law...
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:47 PM

Bull. You telling me they can't find a way to gather evidence from the remains after the abortion takes place? Not to mention the idiocy of criminalizing tampering with evidence for a crime against YOURSELF. That's the same line of thinking as making it illegal to remove grafitti after someone tags your wall.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

I don't really think we need to shoot holes in this proposed bill. It's obviously a case of a pro-lifer trying to find a legal loophole with which to promote an anti-abortion agenda...
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:55 PM

I don't really think we need to shoot holes in this proposed bill. It's obviously a case of a pro-lifer trying to find a legal loophole with which to promote an anti-abortion agenda...

The wack-a-doodle evangelical MP Stephen Woodworth approach and even his own party called him on it.

The purpose of Motion No. 312, which we are considering today, is to open to question the validity of subsection 223(1), which asserts that a child becomes a human being only at the moment of complete birth. If the legal definition of when one becomes a human being were to be adjusted so that a fetus is declared to be a legal person at some earlier stage of gestation, then the homicide laws would apply. As a necessary consequence, aborting fetal development anywhere in the potentially new adjusted period would be considered homicide. Thus the ultimate intention of this motion is to restrict abortions in Canada at some fetal development stage.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:15 AM

hard to say.

in Brazil abortion is a crime and nobody will change it here, unless the girl is sexually assaulted, or the baby causes some problem to motherīs life. if the babyīs life is in danger the mother has option to continue or abort. in these situations it must be proved by police and medical statements...

in any other case, the girl and the boy go to the jail for 7 years. and during the Military era it was even worse...

and with all respect, Itīs very fair!


want have sexy without kids? USE a CONDOM! itīs not babyīs fault if you donīt want him/her, he/she cannot defend him/herself from you and your ego!

a condom isnīt expensive, in fact is very very cheap. you dummy boy go there, buy as many condoms you want, use it and F$%%Ļ@ with responsability.


want sexy?

donīt want kids?

USE a CONDOM!

I wish your parents used a condom.
I can just see it now.
The rape victim to be: "oh ok if you're going to rape me can you at least use this condom I carry around for when I get raped?"
Raper guy: "oh yes of course I'm actually quite prepared"
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:38 AM

I read another story on it and it included the congresswoman's response to the article. I think this is a case of her being epically stupid, rather than evil.

She said her intent was to punish rapists who force their victims to get abortions as a method of destroying evidence. If that isn't already a crime, and this is her intent, then okay, that makes sense.

But she has to be incredibly stupid to not understand the other implications of her proposed law.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:30 AM

So if I get stabbed, a doctor repairing my wounds is tampering with evidence, right?
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:02 PM

I read another story on it and it included the congresswoman's response to the article. I think this is a case of her being epically stupid, rather than evil.

She said her intent was to punish rapists who force their victims to get abortions as a method of destroying evidence. If that isn't already a crime, and this is her intent, then okay, that makes sense.

But she has to be incredibly stupid to not understand the other implications of her proposed law.

IMHO her intent was to restrict abortions since gathering such evidence does not require this sort of legisation.

Remember this woman is an attorney and sits on the state legislature Judiciary Committee. She is not "epically stupid" just another wack-a-doodle Republican.

Her claim makes no sense and is nonsense.
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