logic Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 My point is that interest for Bernier can place his value higher than just Hjalmarsson and 3rd. Since an average(or some say, below average) goaltender like Sanford draws interest from other teams, how much interest would other NHL teams have for Bernier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allkill326 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Their values are unrelated. Sanford would be brought in most likely to be a backup. A goalie like Bernier is brought in with the hope that he could be a starter. You can't relate the fact that teams want to trade for Sanford making Bernier's value higher. That doesn't stop the fact that Bernier is nothing more than a "maybe" starter, which hurts his value in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Goaltenders not playing generate less interest than those who are active; however, some NHL teams can sense that the ones not playing can potentially be a good, active goalie, once they join their organizations. Your question can be answered in a more detailed manner, if you contact one of the general managers in any NHL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I think it is a good deal. Although after listening to the Panel, I am convinced if Bernier is going they will want a certain type of top 4 defenseman that brings specific elements. I don't know if Hjalmarrsson wouldn't fit what they are looking for, it might work but I think they might look at getting something a bit better, do I agree it is fair proposition? Eh, no I think this deal is close valuewise, but the price for Bernier is set pretty high for an unproven goalie who isn't capable of being a full time starter IMO. It basically just comes down to preference in the type of defenseman LA is looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allkill326 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 You're arguing the same point as me... You said he'd garner interest whether or not he played, I said that it will be less if he doesn't play, and then you confirm while still trying to argue with me. I don't get it? The only teams who will want him for not playing is exactly what you said, a team who's willing to take a risk on him being a starter. It certainly hurts his value and trade appeal if doesn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allkill326 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I think it is a decent deal. Although after listening to the Panel, I am convinced if Bernier is going they will want a certain type of top 4 defenseman that brings specific elements. I don't know if Hjalmarrsson wouldn't fit what they are looking for, it might work but I think they might look at getting something a bit better, do I agree it is fair proposition? Eh, no I think this deal is close valuewise, but the price for Bernier is set pretty high for an unproven goalie who isn't capable of being a full time starter IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Given the fact that LAK is a defensively-minded team with the presence of Quick and Doughty, if they were to try and acquire Hjalmarsson, would they not try trading Simon Gagne and slightly more, since the salaries of Gagne and Hjalmarsson are almost the same? Chicago would gain offense and depth, whereas, LA solidifies their defense with not only Hjalmarsson, but also with Bernier still in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Doughty and defensive should never be put together in a sentence, let alone a paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allkill326 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 "The best defense is a good offense." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 "The best defense is a good offense." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 "The best defense is a good offense." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Given the fact that LAK is a defensively-minded team with the presence of Quick and Doughty, if they were to try and acquire Hjalmarsson, would they not try trading Simon Gagne and slightly more, since the salaries of Gagne and Hjalmarsson are almost the same? Chicago would gain offense and depth, whereas, LA solidifies their defense with not only Hjalmarsson, but also with Bernier still in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Whats your proposal though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 From what I've gathered from AllKill: The Kings are good defensively because they're horrible defensively and good on offense because of Doughty. So they should keep Bernier in case Quick gets hurt, but they should also trade Bernier for more than what this proposal offers. Wrap your head around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allkill326 Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 So when you tell me that LA is a defensively minded team because of Doughty, you're actually telling me they're a good offensive team because of Doughty. So I guess adding a defensive player makes sense now? Your argument has more holes than swiss cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 I meant a good defense sprouts from a good offense. Doughty is an offensively-minded defensement, who produces points for the team, while he supports Quick. Adding a defensive player, however, is not overly necessary, given the fact Quick is solid in net, and with Bernier, the Kings' defensive core seems to be even more secure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kane Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 to la: hjalmarsson, 3rd pick 2013 to chi: bernier hjalmarsson fits well into the kings system and with greenes season ending injury they need a d-man badly bernier gets a chance to be the starter and grow as a no.1 puck stopper nothing much to it, i just think it makes sense for both sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Got A Boy Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Their values are unrelated. Sanford would be brought in most likely to be a backup. A goalie like Bernier is brought in with the hope that he could be a starter. You can't relate the fact that teams want to trade for Sanford making Bernier's value higher. That doesn't stop the fact that Bernier is nothing more than a "maybe" starter, which hurts his value in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 maybe starter wont get a top d liek hjlmarson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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