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#91 5minutesinthebox

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:45 AM

I think the op has a point, that's that youth is not given the chance that it should on this team. You can't chop it up to we are too good a team, you can't stay a good team unless you play your young players (Detroit).


What young players did Detroit brought into the fold during their prime years that were playing on the 3rd line or above (or above 3rd pairing)? Detroit won mostly with veteran players. And on top of that Detroit has some voodoo $hit going on with their drafting. No one drafts that well without some dark magic.

Do you want to be the Oilers? Suffer through 10 years of failure to rack up draft picks, that are still no where near ready to challenge for a cup. On top of that they will be unable to keep that core together long. So they will have a short window to get it done with the young core they have before the pieces are too expensive to keep.
Chicago managed to turn that 10 years of draft picks and misery into a Cup. But there is no guarantee.
Now they are competitve, but by no means are they considered amongst the top contenders now that the core they had has been broken up.

The fact is there is no guarantee that anyone will win a Cup. But I would rather be compeptitve year in and year out than suffer through what some fans have had to.

The Canucks have had 2 picks (Hodgson, Bourdon) at the number 10 pick (nothing under that) in the last decade. Bourdon was showing incredible promise and would have been a a sure bet to have a spot on the team before his accident.

And you dont think we give young players a chance? This teams core is made up of all players the Canucks drafted or scouted.
Here is a list with ages of players when they played their first neaningful stretch with the Canucks:

Sedins: 20
Kesler: 20
Burrows: 24 (undrafted)
Edler: 21
Bieksa: 24
Raymond: 22
Hansen: 22
Schnieder: 24
Bourdon: 21
Hodgson: 21
Tanev: 21
Kassian: 21 (looks like he will be a staple this season)
Shroeder: 22 (will continue with the Canucks if he can maintain his play and continue to progress)

Anymore questions?

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#92 5minutesinthebox

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:46 AM

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:59 AM

Is there a pub where disgruntled Hodgson fans hang out in Vancouver?


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:12 AM

Is there a pub where disgruntled Hodgson fans hang out in Vancouver?


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:17 AM

He's anti youth but he traded hodgson for a younger player? I don't get it.


Isn't Kassian even younger than Hodgson?? lol
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:18 AM

Kassian scores a couple of goals (one was a sedin pass tap-in) and people hails him as the next Todd. Gee, he didn't really play so well in the AHL this season after what, 17 games, and no one mentions it. Anyone with some stats background will understand the idea of sample size. Too bad all the high school kids here have no clue. Kids should be at school anyway, and not on this board.

People blame Hodgson for trying to leave Vancouver. He had the skills, but he was only given like 10 minutes per game, with no PP time. It's natural to be frustrated. Getting Kassian wasn't a bad idea, but the price was way too high. If you want toughness, you can always get a Brashear for 500K

Another example of nearsightedness was the idea that keeping Samuelsson was better than Grabner. Samuelsson was an old guy, a rental guy. You knew he wouldn't stay for long here. Why trade away all of your potential stars at the earliest opportunity?
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:21 AM

Epic FAIL!

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:24 AM

Hindsight is 20/20.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:24 AM

Pssssst

It's pretty hard to crack a good lineup
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:28 AM

Grabner sucks ... and so do you.


Well, he is 3g 2a in 3 games so far this year. Can you imagine Nuck fans if those were any of our tweeners' stats? I wouldn't say that Grabner sucks, but he seemed kind of redundent 3 years ago.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:50 AM

Kassian scores a couple of goals (one was a sedin pass tap-in) and people hails him as the next Todd. Gee, he didn't really play so well in the AHL this season after what, 17 games, and no one mentions it. Anyone with some stats background will understand the idea of sample size. Too bad all the high school kids here have no clue. Kids should be at school anyway, and not on this board.

People blame Hodgson for trying to leave Vancouver. He had the skills, but he was only given like 10 minutes per game, with no PP time. It's natural to be frustrated. Getting Kassian wasn't a bad idea, but the price was way too high. If you want toughness, you can always get a Brashear for 500K

Another example of nearsightedness was the idea that keeping Samuelsson was better than Grabner. Samuelsson was an old guy, a rental guy. You knew he wouldn't stay for long here. Why trade away all of your potential stars at the earliest opportunity?


You're comparing Kassian to Brashear???

Samuelsson had two years left on his deal and just finished a career year. He could also play multiple roles including the point on the pp. Grabner couldn't be bothered to show up to camp in shape year after here and was waiver eligible. If you want to win the cup that year who would you keep, the veteran coming off a 30 goal season or the prospect that can't bothered to show up to camp ready to play?

Btw, Grabner wasn't traded at the "earliest opportuniy". He was traded 4 years after he was drafted when became waiver eligible. What do you think his odds were of making a contender when he couldn't even win a spot on the Panthers?

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:54 AM

Then why the hell he signed Schneider and wants to trade Lou??

Tell me how many 19-20-21 years old the Detroit Red Wing has?? I guess they don't like young talent either, but still they have been a top consistent team in the last decade.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:57 AM

Well those trades were right during those times. Grabner didnt have a spot on a loaded top6 and you can't compare him to Volpatti. Grabner is a scorer while Volpatti is a grinder. You wouldn't want grabby grinding when he broke his leg kicking a soccer ball.

Coho deal could have been delayed. We can't lie that we needed a Kassian type player. Besides it's right hand for right hand. So you can't make that argument. Coho could of helped with scoring in our top 9 while kassian was still a season away from being effective.

At the time ballard was a good top 4 but like someone mentioned Hammer bumped him down. As i rememeber ballard was an insurance incase hammer didnt sign.Coho is flourishing... ya on a team that has no centers. Who could have known that we would be without a Selke winner?Fact is we would be better with booth and kesler back from injury.


Unlike EA where you make trades at your leisure, in the real world the other GM has a say in what players get moved when.....

"We built him into something we could move," Gillis stated. "There were six young players that I would have traded him for if any of them were ever made available. One was made available at the trade deadline and it was Zack.
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At the deadline Buffalo was 6 points out of a playoff spot and in desperate need of a center. Buffalo wasn't going to wait until summer to move Kassian. In real life you sometimes have to make the move when what you're looking for becomes available. Which is what happened in this case.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:05 AM

Kassian scores a couple of goals (one was a sedin pass tap-in) and people hails him as the next Todd. Gee, he didn't really play so well in the AHL this season after what, 17 games, and no one mentions it. Anyone with some stats background will understand the idea of sample size. Too bad all the high school kids here have no clue. Kids should be at school anyway, and not on this board.

People blame Hodgson for trying to leave Vancouver. He had the skills, but he was only given like 10 minutes per game, with no PP time. It's natural to be frustrated. Getting Kassian wasn't a bad idea, but the price was way too high. If you want toughness, you can always get a Brashear for 500K

Another example of nearsightedness was the idea that keeping Samuelsson was better than Grabner. Samuelsson was an old guy, a rental guy. You knew he wouldn't stay for long here. Why trade away all of your potential stars at the earliest opportunity?

Whatever happened to working for your dinner. If Hodgson had worked real hard on his defensive game he might have been a real threat to Kesler.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:22 AM

Man if only life was like CDC. I can go back and point out everything my friend did wrong with his life using hindsight to make it seem like I'm well versed in the concepts of life. I can then call him a failure because of decisions he made that seemed logical and the right at the time but didn't work out because of unforeseen circumstances. Then I could say that dumping his ex-girlfriend who treated him like crap was a big mistake just because she is now doing good with another guy.

What a great friend I would be!

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:34 AM

hodgson grabner are soft players , we have enuff soft players on the team we needed grit size and toughness with some scoring ala kassian , sure garber scored some goals but did his team make the playoffs ? even if garbner made the playoffs he would be shutdown, hodgson playing first line minutes he isnt a difference maker his wingers are doing all the work , he looks lost out there lol

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:48 AM

You are beyond stupid.
Kassian > Hodgson, do you know what this team needs?
A big right wing who can create space and stick up for the Twins, Hodgson won't to that.
Character was also a big problem, Kassian is a easy to like guy that will go the extra mile for the team, Eager?

Grabner was garbage here, lazy, not producing. Hell, he was put on waivers by Florida, and he had one good season so don't say he's good.


I wouldn't go as far as to insult the players we traded... They were good players, they are proving that on other teams. As far as the OP goes though, Kassian does have talent, so he is def delusional. This guy is obvious not a Canucks fan, so why even reply? This msg board is for fans only, not for trolls. :rolleyes:

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:06 PM

Michael Gillis is anti-youth. He doesn't like talent. He likes Volpatti. You know, guys without much talent.

Grabner had shown flashes of brilliance before the dreaded trade to Florida. Look at the skills he has now. That one timer against the Laffs tonight was terrific.

Hodgson is flourishing. He is a valuable right handed shot. His blast against Thomas in the Bruins game was Yzerman-esque. And he was dealt for Zack Kassian. Kassian is not in the same league as Hodgson, unfortunately.

The next talent that they have is Schroeder. He will probably be packaged with Luongo down to Florida.

Fire Michael Gillis.

Sorry this is an idiotic post. Nothing further from the truth as Gillis has been very reluctant to trade draft picks so we can rebuild the organization. This takes sometime particularly if you are picking at the end of each round.

We needed a D-man and Grabner was part of the price to get one. At that point in time there was no place for him in the top 6. He then proceeded to get cut by Florida because he wasn't in good enough shape. Good for Grabner that he took that kick in the butt and got his crap together. Has his contribution in NYI made that team winners? No.

Hodgson flourishing? Sure he has three goals but have you watched any highlights of Buffalo games. I've seen a number of giveaways that have led to goals against,

The only checking this guy does is with his bank.

As far as Schroeder and Kassian, both are being given a chance right now as is Tanev another youth brought in by Gillis.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:08 PM

I dont think we will hear anything about Kassian's dad calling and whining about ice time. I don' think you will ever see Cody go toe to toe with Eager and live. I don't think you will see Cody outscore Kassian - at least so long as Kass is on the top line. I don't think you will see Cody out hit Kassian. Besides with Kesler and Hank, there is no spot for Cody. I would not put him in over Lappy and he is not a 4th line guy - besides his daddy would have a fit and start calling up Harper to bitch.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:15 PM

Wow, you can post some youtube clips, doesn't that prove a lot.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:36 PM

Retarded thread by retarded poster.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:44 PM

You are beyond stupid.
Kassian > Hodgson, do you know what this team needs?
A big right wing who can create space and stick up for the Twins, Hodgson won't to that.
Character was also a big problem, Kassian is a easy to like guy that will go the extra mile for the team, Eager?

Grabner was garbage here, lazy, not producing. Hell, he was put on waivers by Florida, and he had one good season so don't say he's good.

Man, anyone saying Kassian is better than Hodgson is delusional. Everyone knows that ultimately Hodgson is the more skilled and is more likely produce throughout his career offensively. The trade happened because he asked to be traded, so we got back a prospect with size. Sure, I like Kassian as much as the next guy, but Hodgson sure would look great in this line-up right about now, whether we had injuries or not.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 12:57 PM

Michael Gillis is anti-youth. He doesn't like talent. He likes Volpatti. You know, guys without much talent.

Grabner had shown flashes of brilliance before the dreaded trade to Florida. Look at the skills he has now. That one timer against the Laffs tonight was terrific.

Hodgson is flourishing. He is a valuable right handed shot. His blast against Thomas in the Bruins game was Yzerman-esque. And he was dealt for Zack Kassian. Kassian is not in the same league as Hodgson, unfortunately.

The next talent that they have is Schroeder. He will probably be packaged with Luongo down to Florida.

Fire Michael Gillis.



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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:02 PM

Man, anyone saying Kassian is better than Hodgson is delusional. Everyone knows that ultimately Hodgson is the more skilled and is more likely produce throughout his career offensively. The trade happened because he asked to be traded, so we got back a prospect with size. Sure, I like Kassian as much as the next guy, but Hodgson sure would look great in this line-up right about now, whether we had injuries or not.


And he'd still be unhappy with his role as 3C with Kesler in the line-up.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

I don't have much to say on this subject as I know next to nothing about Schroeder after seeing him play once for 10 minutes, but in reference to people rationalizing letting go players with serious potential like Grabner, Shirokov and Hodgson...

Grabner was a talent but didn't clearly didn't fit on the team with Raymond and Samuelsson coming off career years. He had a good return (11 points in 20 games? Sick.) when he did play though and maybe deserved more of a chance. He's inconsistent but clearly shows goal-scoring ability. See Raymond.

Hodgson dug us out of LOTS of games last year and totalled 41 points in 83 games as a rookie on the 3rd line for Vancouver, and Buffalo. How can you rip on this kid's PLAY as a Canucks fan? How can you possibly rationalize trading him because he's "soft". Remember his GWG against Boston? Seriously talented and obviously has potential.

Kassian. Looking good so far, let's hope the trade was good in the long-term, because it wasn't exactly what we needed last year and his upside is massive. It's too early to rationalize having this guy in our lineup as opposed to Hodgson as the 3C, I reckon, but he's getting better and starting to fit in and put up points.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:19 PM

I avoided this thread for two days because I knew it would be a fail thread. I shouldn't have succumbed to the urge to open it.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

I think the op has a point, that's that youth is not given the chance that it should on this team. You can't chop it up to we are too good a team, you can't stay a good team unless you play your young players (Detroit).


Historically, many of Detroit's "young players" spent years in the minors before being given a chance.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

Kassian is more of what we needed than Hodgson. We need less of you.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:37 PM

Schroeder played one game. And Hodgson wanted more time which he wasn't getting or a trade. So we got something good for him.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:41 PM

I think gillis should get on the phone Lou for Grabner

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