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#31 Caledonian Canuck

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:18 AM

Turn back the clock to the late 1990's and persuade the Vancouver management that they should treat Pavel Bure with the respect and honesty that he deserved, heal the wounds and not trade him away.

We should never have let him leave and he should have retired a Canuck, watching his number 10 jersey rise to the rafters would have been appropriate.

Now that he is deservedly in the Hall of Fame, I can only hope that plans to retire #10 are at an advanced stage. At least today's management can heal the rift and make up for past mistakes.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:19 AM

The Bure trade. I know he said he would never play here but hey, if you can take back the Hodgson and force him to play well in a perfect world so would Bure.

The other one is the Mogilny Trade. Not that I hate Alex or anything and we all know it benefited the team. But could you imagine the early 2000's with a line of cooke-peca-ruutu hahhahahaha that would be weird.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:25 AM

Every trade we've made with Florida.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:29 AM

One of the best trades.Trevor Linden got us Todd Bertuzzi and Bryan McCabe. Bertuzzi became Roberto Luongo, which will become who knows. McCabe became on the Sedins.


And on top of that we ended up getting Linden back. Easily best overall trade. And thats saying alot because Linden is my favorite Nuck ever.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:32 AM

I tell ya one I would never take back. When Pat Quinn flipped a useless Dan Quinn and an aging Garth Butcher into Cliff Ronning, Geoff Courtnall, Sergio Momesso and Robert Dirk. Thank you Ron Caron (RIP)

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:36 AM

Every trade we've made with Florida.


Really..?

we've gottwn quite a few big names with florida, yes Bure left with a florida trade which was dumb but hey still you cant say every trade w/ florida was bad...
off the top of my head i can think of a few great players we got from them who have impacted our team in a great way !
we got players like
Lu
Jovocop (bure trade yes i know but still we loved this guy, who dosent? he was also a great leader)
higgins
booth

anyways to the OP id say Neely trade, but more recent.. dare i say it.. well i don't need to, my username implies it already ! (sorry guys but i still follow coho even if he's on buffalo, ive been watching him even before he was drafted, so no im not just a CBC cry baby over him)

Edited by CodyHodgson's #1fan, 25 January 2013 - 06:52 AM.

Always will love and support Cody Hodgson, great player, great potential great character, and I don't care about those stupid rumours about the trade. And we lost him, what a dissapointment. Love you COHO, forever a canuck in my heart!

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:38 AM

Cam Neely trade, hands down.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:38 AM

anyways to the OP id say Nelly trade,


Yeah I was sad when we traded Nelly, but at least we got Ludacris in return.

Sorry just bustin your chops.

Edited by nuckin_futz, 25 January 2013 - 06:39 AM.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:54 AM

Yeah I was sad when we traded Nelly, but at least we got Ludacris in return.

Sorry just bustin your chops.


LOL clever reply, sorry though i should probably re-read my posts to avoid stupid mistakes like that one ! :frantic:
Always will love and support Cody Hodgson, great player, great potential great character, and I don't care about those stupid rumours about the trade. And we lost him, what a dissapointment. Love you COHO, forever a canuck in my heart!

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:19 AM

Two trades...

Cam Neely for Barry Pederson

Rick Vaive and Bill Derlago for Tiger Williams and Jerry Butler

Derlago was never the same after his knee was destroyed by Denis Potvin.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:53 AM

not a trade, but it still bothers me that we let Ohlund go. i know his career is in serious jeopardy right now but he had a great playoff run in 2011 with the lightning, and without Hamhuis in the line up against the bruins, he would be very instrumental instead of that bieksa plug. also i don't have to mention he's my all time favorite canuck as can be seen in my profile pic

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:59 AM

not a trade, but it still bothers me that we let Ohlund go. i know his career is in serious jeopardy right now but he had a great playoff run in 2011 with the lightning, and without Hamhuis in the line up against the bruins, he would be very instrumental instead of that bieksa plug. also i don't have to mention he's my all time favorite canuck as can be seen in my profile pic


True, and I'm a huge Ohlund fan too. However, The salary cap may have been an issue retaining him. Vancouver has been up against the cap the past few years without him, nevermind with him in the lineup.

Neely, 100%!

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:11 AM

The Bure trade, we didn't just trade Bure, we gave them Hedican, Brad Ference, and a 3rd round pick in 2000 (Robert Fried). In return we got Ed Jovanovski, Dave Gagner, Mike Brown, Kevin Weekes and Florida's 1st round pick in 2000 (Nathan Smith)

Jovo left after 7 seasons, no trade.
Gagner retired at the end of the season.
Brown played 16 games putting up no points.
Weekes was our backup goalie for two seasons playing 31 games and only winning 6.
Nathan Smith, 4 games no points. (3 of the next 5 picks were Brad Boyes, Steve Ott and Justin Williams)

Hedican played another 9 years.
Ference played another 9 years, the last half in the AHL.
Bure of course, had to retire after 6 years.
Robert Fried did nothing.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:27 AM

Ballard trade.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 08:43 AM

Why do people still bring this up?  It made sense to give up Grabner and Bernier (neither fit on the team-- Bernier was a failed PF and Grabner was is a one-trick pony), and the player available with the 1st (Howden) wasn't someone management wanted (otherwise they would've picked Quinton); Ballard was going to be a Top 4 (until Hamhuis signed then he got bumped down) and Oreo looked like a solid Bottom 6 foot soldier


I know at the time the trade seemed reasonable, and there was a chance we would have lost Grabner to waivers anyways. But this is about hindsight, and with hindsight, that has been an absolutely TERRIBLE trade. Not 'worst of all time' by any means, but terrible all the same.

Grabner has gone on to be a quality 2nd line player (could use one of those right now). He is not a "one-trick pony", as he is a constant threat on both special teams and even-strength (he has 3 goals in 3 games so far - 1 regular, 1 PP, and 1 short-handed). Whereas Ballard has only recently not been a complete disaster. The fact that Howden seems to be a good prospect just makes it worse.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:33 AM

not a trade, but it still bothers me that we let Ohlund go. i know his career is in serious jeopardy right now but he had a great playoff run in 2011 with the lightning, and without Hamhuis in the line up against the bruins, he would be very instrumental instead of that bieksa plug. also i don't have to mention he's my all time favorite canuck as can be seen in my profile pic


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 09:35 AM

Definitely the Cam Neely trade.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:05 AM

I know at the time the trade seemed reasonable, and there was a chance we would have lost Grabner to waivers anyways. But this is about hindsight, and with hindsight, that has been an absolutely TERRIBLE trade. Not 'worst of all time' by any means, but terrible all the same.

Grabner has gone on to be a quality 2nd line player (could use one of those right now). He is not a "one-trick pony", as he is a constant threat on both special teams and even-strength (he has 3 goals in 3 games so far - 1 regular, 1 PP, and 1 short-handed). Whereas Ballard has only recently not been a complete disaster. The fact that Howden seems to be a good prospect just makes it worse.

Is this about hindsight, or are we playing fantasy scenarios where players magically work out?

Grabner went on to get cut by the Panthers and was a waiver wire pickup for his current team. I don't know how anyone can debate the Grabner trade while ignoring that detail. I know everyone's going to be riding his jock since he's off to a hot start this season, but that's not the player we traded... Grabner himself stated that being waived after the trade was the wakeup call that he needed to start playing. There's zero chance imo that Grabner would have amounted to anything in Vancouver. But yes, if we're talking about fantasy land and not ordinary hindsight then a scoring winger would be great to have instead of Ballard.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:06 AM

I fear this may turn into a Kassian vs Hodgson battle :(

Actually, my first thought was here goes explaining why Grabner was traded all over again.

Why do people still bring this up? It made sense to give up Grabner and Bernier (neither fit on the team-- Bernier was a failed PF and Grabner was is a one-trick pony), and the player available with the 1st (Howden) wasn't someone management wanted (otherwise they would've picked Quinton); Ballard was going to be a Top 4 (until Hamhuis signed then he got bumped down) and Oreo looked like a solid Bottom 6 foot soldier

It's a trade I might pick in hindsight. We could have kept our first, and traded Bernier and Grabner for picks, and pushed to get Hamhuis while looking at a depth D-man as cover. Instead we lost our first, lost assets in at least Grabner, and took on $4+M in salary for a #5 D. Heck, we could have traded Grabner and our 1st to move up in the draft a few spots and pick who we wanted.

It's been decent having Ballard as depth but he hasn't been that much help that I'd do it all over again.


other than the big ones already mentioned (Neely, Ballard, Gelinas/McLean, Linden, etc.)...

all of the trades we made at the 2006 deadline. Keith Carney, Eric Weinrich, Mika Noronen and Sean Brown. Holy crap they were terrible, and the team just nosedived after that anyway. I know all we gave up were draft picks and low-end prospects, but yikes, even one of those might've turned into something better down the road than those four.

But those were the deadline deals that were going to put us over the top for the playoffs! :sadno:

The only one of those I didn't mind at the time was when we got Rucinsky and Sanderson, even they didn't work out.

Two trades...

Cam Neely for Barry Pederson

Rick Vaive and Bill Derlago for Tiger Williams and Jerry Butler

Survey says?: Neely for sure. Vaive was a good player, but Tiger brought a lot of the fans back to the game when we didn't have that many. Could see points for that.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:09 AM

other than the big ones already mentioned (Neely, Ballard, Gelinas/McLean, Linden, etc.)...

all of the trades we made at the 2006 deadline. Keith Carney, Eric Weinrich, Mika Noronen and Sean Brown. Holy crap they were terrible, and the team just nosedived after that anyway. I know all we gave up were draft picks and low-end prospects, but yikes, even one of those might've turned into something better down the road than those four.


Very true, not only did these players play terribly, we will never know the opportunity lost from those draft picks.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:10 AM

Neely


Hindsight says we could have had Neely and Sakic playing together if we didn't do that trade.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:17 AM

Is this about hindsight, or are we playing fantasy scenarios where players magically work out?

Grabner went on to get cut by the Panthers and was a waiver wire pickup for his current team. I don't know how anyone can debate the Grabner trade while ignoring that detail. I know everyone's going to be riding his jock since he's off to a hot start this season, but that's not the player we traded... Grabner himself stated that being waived after the trade was the wakeup call that he needed to start playing. There's zero chance imo that Grabner would have amounted to anything in Vancouver. But yes, if we're talking about fantasy land and not ordinary hindsight then a scoring winger would be great to have instead of Ballard.


Off to a hot start this season, not to mention the year he had following his pickup by the Islanders: 34 goals and 52 points in what was technically his rookie season. He's one of the main reasons I watch the Isles, along with Tavares, Okposo and Moulson. I won't lie and say when I watch him adding scoring punch to the Isles I don't wonder what could have been...but I think you're right. He likely wouldn't have amounted to much in Vancouver.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:19 AM

Bure is the trade that I hated the most, but there are other trades that hurt this team more (Jovo had some great years with Vancouver and Bure had to retire early).

Cam Neely would be the trade that hurt this team the most IMO.

Other bad trades- most of the trade deadline deals when draft picks were swapped for these gems: Geoff Sanderson, Martin Rucinsky, Brian Smolinski, Keith Carney, Brent Sopel, and Eric Weinrech

 


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:24 AM

Mine is a tie between Ballard for Grabner or Brent Sopel for draft pick (Wayne Simmonds)

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:30 AM

The Ballard trade. We gave up a first rounder and Michael Grabner.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:49 AM

Neely was the worst.

Seeing as we are talking hindsight, I would say more recently, the Ballard one.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 10:53 AM

I'm in my late 20's so the Neely trade was before my time.

In recent memory I have to agree with the Ballard trade. Grabner AND a 1st?!! It would have been a bad move if Gillis had just signed Ballard as a UFA for that $$..... but he give up two strong assets as well.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:12 AM

Off to a hot start this season, not to mention the year he had following his pickup by the Islanders: 34 goals and 52 points in what was technically his rookie season. He's one of the main reasons I watch the Isles, along with Tavares, Okposo and Moulson. I won't lie and say when I watch him adding scoring punch to the Isles I don't wonder what could have been...but I think you're right. He likely wouldn't have amounted to much in Vancouver.

He wouldn't have had the chance to amount to much though, that's why he was in the trade. He was going to be waivers eligible and had underperformed at all of his previous camps. To top it off, we had a pretty much set top 6 with guys like Raymond coming off career years, so someone was going to have to be sent down. Once he underperformed yet again at Florida's camp (Florida's!) he hit waivers and was picked up.

As I mentioned earlier, we could have chosen to move him for something else, but it's highly unlikely we would have been able to keep him without sacrificing someone else. Even then, Grabner was the first to admit that getting waived in Florida gave him motivation to do something with his career and he credits that with why he's improved.

So, it was likely necessary that we needed to move Grabner just as much as we needed another D-man (since Hamhuis wasn't a 100% lock to sign with us).

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

He wouldn't have had the chance to amount to much though, that's why he was in the trade. He was going to be waivers eligible and had underperformed at all of his previous camps. To top it off, we had a pretty much set top 6 with guys like Raymond coming off career years, so someone was going to have to be sent down. Once he underperformed yet again at Florida's camp (Florida's!) he hit waivers and was picked up.

As I mentioned earlier, we could have chosen to move him for something else, but it's highly unlikely we would have been able to keep him without sacrificing someone else. Even then, Grabner was the first to admit that getting waived in Florida gave him motivation to do something with his career and he credits that with why he's improved.

So, it was likely necessary that we needed to move Grabner just as much as we needed another D-man (since Hamhuis wasn't a 100% lock to sign with us).


I'm sorry...it's virtually impossible for me to keep a straight face typing this reply because I'm laughing my ass off at the center part of your signature. I get the gist of what you are saying though. Guess I'm just thinking out loud because I'm envious of what he became once the Isles picked him up.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

Two trades...

Cam Neely for Barry Pederson

Rick Vaive and Bill Derlago for Tiger Williams and Jerry Butler


This.

People try and justify the Vaive, Derlago trade with our 1982 Cup run but it just gutted the team for the future.

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