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#1 dudeone

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:49 PM

Allen West Slams Women In Combat ‘Social Experiment,’ Suggests They Should Also Join NHL And NBA

by Matt Wilstein | 9:08 pm, January 24th, 2013

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/allen-west-slams-women-in-combat-‘social-experiment’-suggests-they-should-also-join-nhl-and-nba/

Former Republican Congressman and Army veteran Allen West made his views about the recent decision to allow women to serve in combat roles known this morning on Twitter and Facebook. And tonight, he brought those views to CNN.

Appearing on Anderson Cooper 360 along with retired General Rick Hillier of the Canadian Forces, West laid out his opposition to the new rule, saying that with all of the budget issues the military is having right now, the focus shouldn’t be on “this foray into an inequality trip.”

West then went off into an extended sports metaphor that seemed to have both Anderson Cooper and General Hillier baffled:


“I have to tell you, if this is the case, then why do we have separate hockey leagues? Women should be out there playing ice hockey with the guys in the NHL. We should not have a WNBA. I can’t shoot a three-pointer, but there are ladies who could certainly take me to the hoop. Maybe they should be competing with Kobe Bryant.”


Cooper quickly steered the conversation back to the more practical concerns surrounding women in combat, asking Hillier if he had seen any advantages in his career working with women in combat.

After attempting to dissuade some of West’s concerns, Hillier explained that “out in villages amongst the population of Afghanistan, our male soldiers simply could not speak to the females that were in the area.” He continued, “Our female soldiers could talk to them, could obtain all kinds of information, sometimes very actionable intelligence. They could do things that male soldiers simply couldn’t do because they were females and at the same time, they could do everything else that we asked them.”

But West could not be swayed, once again launching into his list of concerns and question regarding women’s ability to serve in the same roles as men. In the end, Hillier concluded that Canada’s decision to allow women to serve in combat in 1989 “was one of the most incredible things we could have ever done. Absolutely right, absolutely positive.”
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:54 PM

You already posted this and it was locked.

http://forum.canucks...-also-join-nhl/

Edited by Bertuzzi Babe, 25 January 2013 - 02:57 PM.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:57 PM

No thanks.

No offence ladies.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 02:57 PM

You already posted this and it was locked.

http://forum.canucks...-also-join-nhl/


Yes, the person that locked it didn't understand that it was a seperate subject. It's been "repurposed" here
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:03 PM

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:04 PM

If there was a woman that was good enough to play in the NHL, then I'm sure it would happen.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:13 PM

yep, if they have the talent and ability to play in the NHL all the power to them.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:17 PM

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I could just see the headlines

"Chara kills woman in huge open ice hit"
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:19 PM

If there was a woman that was good enough to play in the NHL, then I'm sure it would happen.


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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

I agree with most here. I think there are women at the level of NHL in skill, however i can't see a 130 pound woman getting back up from a open ice hit from a 230 pound man going 20mph at her.

A woman in the NHL would be a huge hit for fan base and girls hockey involvement though. So hopefully that day might come. (coming from a guy)
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

The difference is women can play in the NHL, it's just that none have shown the strength, speed, size, and skill to be able to compete. She would have to be a complete freak of nature to be able to win a spot on an NHL team.

However a woman is much more likely to be able to meet the physical demands of the military since she isn't competing with the best male athletes in the world.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

Best female hockey player in the WORLD is Wickenheiser and what is she playing like, tier 3 hockey in Finland or something. If women could compete with men in sports, they would..... but they can't.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

I don't think women should serve in combat.

But then again, I don't think men should either.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

I agree with most here. I think there are women at the level of NHL in skill, however i can't see a 130 pound woman getting back up from a open ice hit from a 230 pound man going 20mph at her.

A woman in the NHL would be a huge hit for fan base and girls hockey involvement though. So hopefully that day might come. (coming from a guy)

No there aren't. No professional female athlete is as good as a professional male athlete, otherwise they'd be playing amongst men.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

The difference is women can play in the NHL, it's just that none have shown the strength, speed, size, and skill to be able to compete.  She would have to be a complete freak of nature to be able to win a spot on an NHL team.

However a woman is much more likely to be able to meet the physical demands of the military since she isn't competing with the best male athletes in the world.


This is the basis for the guy's argument. You basically summed up his position.

He is using sports to indicate, that in general, if a man and a woman both devote their life to training for a physical activity, in most cases the man will dominate the woman due to his physical advantages. As such, if the government is going to spend billions of dollars on military, and training their soldiers, then should be as strong and fast as possible. And sports of all types seem to indicate that men have an advantage.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

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The goal is not for women to join the NHL or NBA folks. We want our own leagues that play at our level. We are not deluding ourselves into thinking that a co-ed NHL will ever be an option. The dream and the goal is that someday we will have a league of our own where the level of play is so high that it draws enough revenue for the players to get paid and earn a living just like the men

Till then our women play for the right reason: passion
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

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First person that came to my mind, haha.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 04:16 PM

this won't work.......the men will have hard time focusing on the ice if there are women are the team and hot too.......
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:23 PM

No there aren't. No professional female athlete is as good as a professional male athlete, otherwise they'd be playing amongst men.


Maybe it's just a poor choice of words by you, but there are sports where men & women compete against each other. An example of this of the top of my head is Equestrian or Archery. It's pretty damn obvious why women don't compete in the sports with physical contact, being a hundred pounds lighter on average.. it's not simply because they're across the board 'not as good' there caveman.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:51 PM

I understand why female skaters can't compete against men, but what about goaltending?

Either than that PR stint by the TBL way back when, why can't women play goalie? A position focused on positioning, reaction and flexibility, you'd assume it would be a good fit (assuming the women is like 6'2")
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:51 PM

Maybe it's just a poor choice of words by you, but there are sports where men & women compete against each other. An example of this of the top of my head is Equestrian or Archery. It's pretty damn obvious why women don't compete in the sports with physical contact, being a hundred pounds lighter on average.. it's not simply because they're across the board 'not as good' there caveman.


If those archers start a sport where they aim for each other instead of foam targets, and women still have a place, then we'll talk.


Seriously though, im sure there's many positions that could successfully be made available for women, but as far as marine/seal/swat type stuff, it's a mans world.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:54 PM

I understand why female skaters can't compete against men, but what about goaltending?

Either than that PR stint by the TBL way back when, why can't women play goalie? A position focused on positioning, reaction and flexibility, you'd assume it would be a good fit (assuming the women is like 6'2")


It's more likely for a female goaltender to make it over a skater, but still, im sure it's been tried by many and they all get vented. There's still plenty of contact with loose pucks and crease crashers.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:54 PM

First person that came to my mind, haha.


Not the first picture though. :bigblush:
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 05:56 PM

I understand why female skaters can't compete against men, but what about goaltending?

Either than that PR stint by the TBL way back when, why can't women play goalie? A position focused on positioning, reaction and flexibility, you'd assume it would be a good fit (assuming the women is like 6'2")


Don't have the strength or size.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:00 PM

it will never happen unless she's a goalie... size and weight is too much difference if playing forward or defense..

as for nba, imagine how many guys will hug or grab the lady on purpose.. :bigblush:

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:08 PM

If one was good enough im sure she would make it. Theres some pretty skilled chicks out there but im afraid they wouldnt last long physically. Is she going to be willing to take punches to the head and cross checks to the mouth every time she jams away at a loose puck in the crease? she would have to be a complete freak of nature beast to take the abuse a male hockey player takes.

they should allow women to get majorly roided out and join the ahl lol imagin playing on a line with a girl that looks like cristine cyborg santos haha
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

It is not a variance of skill but of size, too many rules that are staples of the NHL would have to change in order for this to happen.

I love the idea, my aunt is 5'2", 105lbs and avgs 5 hits a game in a woman's league in Peterborough, but it just isn't realistic.
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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:14 PM

It's not impossible for a female goalie to play in the NHL. Shannon Szabados of Team Canada plays for the NAIT Ooks men's hockey team. She also played a few games for the Tri City Americans of the WHL but was bumped when Carey Price came in.

I'm just saying, I don't think that's the goal. We don't want to bank on that one person making it. We want a place where every deserving player - forward, defense, or goalie - will have a place to play at a level that challenges them. The CWHL is a start and hopefully it'll continue to grow.

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 06:44 PM

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Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:00 PM

it will never happen unless she's a goalie... size and weight is too much difference if playing forward or defense..

as for nba, imagine how many guys will hug or grab the lady on purpose.. :bigblush:


If a women could make the NBA team against 6"5-7"5 players that women would be to beastly to hug.
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