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#1 janisahockeynut

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

After reading several of the recent posts, watching the steady improvement of our players, and taking a look at cap geek, The question occurred to me that, MG's demand for a roster player, a prospect, and a draft choice, really causes a problem that requires more than just a simple Luongo trade.

If we take a look at the 2013-2014 season, which really isn't that far away, you will see that even with the current roster and no trades, the Canucks will be icing a stronger, multi attack team. With the emergence of young Jordan Schroeder, and the more than likely addition of Nicklas Jensen. And with the soon returning Ryan Kesler and David Booth, well it is a nice problem, but a problem never the less.

The thorn in all this is getting down to the cap and trying to improve with the Luongo trade. Now the top end prospect and draft picks are no problem, but the roster player, causes a log jam on the 2nd and 3rd lines, where because of cap, someone will have to go.

The current lines with everyone healthy will look somewhat like this I suspect.

Daniel Sedin Henrik Sedin Zack Kassian
David Booth Ryan Kesler Alex Burrows
Mason Raymond Jordon Schroeder Jannik Hansen
Higgins/Volpattit Maholtra/Lapierre/Ebbet Dale Weise

Now add another roster player and Ebbet and/or Schroeder are gone back to the minors, but again Cap becomes an issue when we aquire that roster player.

Take into consideration that Jensen will be here next year and it starts getting messy. Now I know that Mike Gillis will make it work, but suddenly his 3rd line Centre problem is filled and seems to be working well.

So my point to all this is that, it would probably be a good idea to make any Luongo trade a multi player trade, where we up grade a position at the same time, instead of just acquiring another Roster player, prospect and draft picks.

My thought would be to trade Luongo and Booth for a 2nd line upgrade who is more aggressive and can play Centre/wing as well, and a prospect, and picks. If we have to add, let it be a 2nd Tier prospect or a 2014 3rd or 4th rounder.

With the UFA's we have to sign at the end of this year, it will be tricky to get it all done. It should be a very interesting short 6 1/2 months. Go Canucks!

PS.........Jensen is a 2nd or 1st line player, at worst he starts on the 3rd line and moves up, and could be here just before the playoffs, as his SEL team has absolutely no chance of the playoffs!
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:40 AM

A multi-player deal is possible, but it all really depends on which team we're trading with and their needs. Honestly, however, I don't see that happening.

At most, it'll be Luongo and a pick/prospect and not any of our roster players.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:46 AM

For this year there might be a problem staying under the cap until the playoffs begin but next year with all the UFA's if we just don't re-sign some we'll be okay. The players that we don't resign will be replaced by some players moving up or down the lineup, the addition of Jensen, etc.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

After reading several of the recent posts, watching the steady improvement of our players, and taking a look at cap geek, The question occurred to me that, MG's demand for a roster player, a prospect, and a draft choice, really causes a problem that requires more than just a simple Luongo trade.

If we take a look at the 2013-2014 season, which really isn't that far away, you will see that even with the current roster and no trades, the Canucks will be icing a stronger, multi attack team. With the emergence of young Jordan Schroeder, and the more than likely addition of Nicklas Jensen. And with the soon returning Ryan Kesler and David Booth, well it is a nice problem, but a problem never the less.

The thorn in all this is getting down to the cap and trying to improve with the Luongo trade. Now the top end prospect and draft picks are no problem, but the roster player, causes a log jam on the 2nd and 3rd lines, where because of cap, someone will have to go.

The current lines with everyone healthy will look somewhat like this I suspect.

Daniel Sedin Henrik Sedin Zack Kassian
David Booth Ryan Kesler Alex Burrows
Mason Raymond Jordon Schroeder Jannik Hansen
Higgins/Volpattit Maholtra/Lapierre/Ebbet Dale Weise

Now add another roster player and Ebbet and/or Schroeder are gone back to the minors, but again Cap becomes an issue when we aquire that roster player.

Take into consideration that Jensen will be here next year and it starts getting messy. Now I know that Mike Gillis will make it work, but suddenly his 3rd line Centre problem is filled and seems to be working well.

So my point to all this is that, it would probably be a good idea to make any Luongo trade a multi player trade, where we up grade a position at the same time, instead of just acquiring another Roster player, prospect and draft picks.

My thought would be to trade Luongo and Booth for a 2nd line upgrade who is more aggressive and can play Centre/wing as well, and a prospect, and picks. If we have to add, let it be a 2nd Tier prospect or a 2014 3rd or 4th rounder.

With the UFA's we have to sign at the end of this year, it will be tricky to get it all done. It should be a very interesting short 6 1/2 months. Go Canucks!

PS.........Jensen is a 2nd or 1st line player, at worst he starts on the 3rd line and moves up, and could be here just before the playoffs, as his SEL team has absolutely no chance of the playoffs!


First off, when Jensen's SEL season ends he'll likely be in the AHL and that's where he'll stay until next year unless he really impresses or the Canucks get ravished by injury.

When Kesler and Booth come back, the Canucks will have something like 10 or 11 top-nine forwards, which is great depth for the playoffs. I see the lines shaking something like this:

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Higgins - Kesler - Burrows
Raymond - Schroeder - Booth
Malhotra - Lapierre - Hansen
Volpatti/Ebbet/Weise

Ebbet will have to be sent down for space. And then a decision on Volpatti or Weise as the extra forward will have to be made. Schroeder could be sent down as well. But I like this style of a lineup because it is a truly 4 line team and a big luxury to have Lapierre/Hansen on the 4th line. It's a good logjam to have, especially if there are injuries. That said, Gillis could look to find a veteran 3rd line center to improve on Schroeder heading into the playoffs.

On defense:

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Garrison - Edler
Ballard - Tanev
Barker/Alberts/Vandermeer

Fairly solid and deep, but I think Gillis should stil be looking for a veteran #4/5 defenseman (preferably right-sided) heading into the playoffs.

So I think we could still be trying to find another center and a defenseman for a playoff run. Either/or of which could possibly be addressed in a Luongo trade.

As for next season, we likely won't have this logjam at forward "problem" because Raymond, Higgins, Malhotra, Lapierre, Volpatti and Ebbet are all UFAs and undoubtedly some will be let go. Booth might a victim of cap constraints.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

Well Bossram, I completely agree with you, except on one point, that being Jensen, but I could be way off on that. My thoughts on Jensen is that the Canucks really sucked at scoring in last years playoff, and this kid is gold. Most natural snipper I have seen in a long time, and he seems to do it with not much help, which means he creates some of his own chances. Geez, I hope I am right, but we will see on that one!

As for Booth/Luongo, if you can package them and get one up grade and a grade A prospect, or a very high pick, or some combination of, then I think Gillis should do it. Someone younger that is in only his second contract? I would rather go for quality, not quantity. But you're right, and we don't know who's offering what, but in my dream that is what I would want.

As for Schoeder, I know time will tell, 2 games is only a glimps, and doesn't give us as much of a picture as we need. But,I sure hope he can keep up his play and face off percentages, it would make Gillis's job easier in the summer with Maholtra.

Gillis will have to move cap we know, all the UFA will want a raise I am sure. I would love to keep Raymond, Higgins, Lapierrre, and Volpatti next year, but I am not keen on Ebbet and Manny is past his prime, except in the faceoff circle. The next month is going to tell us so much about this team, the trade???, and its character.......we'll see........good post Bossram......my thinking wasn't that far off yours......Cheers!

Edited by zcaptain, 26 January 2013 - 02:55 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:07 PM

zcaptain, Just posted a similar idea. The 64.3 cap is gonna force some tough choices, & Booth seems a logical candidate for the short straw.

Parlay his contract into another that expires this summer. Preferably someone who can play well, & grind HARD in spring.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:14 AM

Hard to say.
It really depends on what is available out there.
We (media included) have no idea of what is being discussed.

It depends on how much we believe we can re-up our pending free agents for.

For Luongo, I'd reckon it'll be a useful roster player+ futures (main part).
Depending on interest, consider adding Raymond/Booth and/or Schroeder/Gaunce/Sauve etc...
to make a package for a young, emerging forward.

Ship off Ballard in the off-season for pick(s).

Re-sign one of Higgins or Raymond.

Re-sign Lapierre for cheap, or let him walk.

Extend Tanev.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 11:14 AM

After reading several of the recent posts, watching the steady improvement of our players, and taking a look at cap geek, The question occurred to me that, MG's demand for a roster player, a prospect, and a draft choice, really causes a problem that requires more than just a simple Luongo trade.

If we take a look at the 2013-2014 season, which really isn't that far away, you will see that even with the current roster and no trades, the Canucks will be icing a stronger, multi attack team. With the emergence of young Jordan Schroeder, and the more than likely addition of Nicklas Jensen. And with the soon returning Ryan Kesler and David Booth, well it is a nice problem, but a problem never the less.

The thorn in all this is getting down to the cap and trying to improve with the Luongo trade. Now the top end prospect and draft picks are no problem, but the roster player, causes a log jam on the 2nd and 3rd lines, where because of cap, someone will have to go.

The current lines with everyone healthy will look somewhat like this I suspect.

Daniel Sedin Henrik Sedin Zack Kassian
David Booth Ryan Kesler Alex Burrows
Mason Raymond Jordon Schroeder Jannik Hansen
Higgins/Volpattit Maholtra/Lapierre/Ebbet Dale Weise

Now add another roster player and Ebbet and/or Schroeder are gone back to the minors, but again Cap becomes an issue when we aquire that roster player.

Take into consideration that Jensen will be here next year and it starts getting messy. Now I know that Mike Gillis will make it work, but suddenly his 3rd line Centre problem is filled and seems to be working well.

So my point to all this is that, it would probably be a good idea to make any Luongo trade a multi player trade, where we up grade a position at the same time, instead of just acquiring another Roster player, prospect and draft picks.

My thought would be to trade Luongo and Booth for a 2nd line upgrade who is more aggressive and can play Centre/wing as well, and a prospect, and picks. If we have to add, let it be a 2nd Tier prospect or a 2014 3rd or 4th rounder.

With the UFA's we have to sign at the end of this year, it will be tricky to get it all done. It should be a very interesting short 6 1/2 months. Go Canucks!

PS.........Jensen is a 2nd or 1st line player, at worst he starts on the 3rd line and moves up, and could be here just before the playoffs, as his SEL team has absolutely no chance of the playoffs!


At the conclusion of this season, Raymond, Higgins, Malhotra, Lapierre, Ebbett and Volpatti will be UFAs. There will be plenty of room for maneuver in the off-season.

Assessing this group, I would say that only Lapierre figures to already be in the team's plans for next year. The other guys will have to earn new contracts.

Higgins has been a pleasant surprise as a Canuck. His versatility and all-around solid game make him a value commodity at 2-3M per season (depending on his performance this year). He probably has a good chance at being extended. He just needs to perform at the level he's been at throughout his tenure in Vancouver.

Raymond has an uphill battle. He has started the year well, but he has had encouraging spurts within each of his disappointing seasons in recent years. He will need to have a consistent and productive year to earn a new contract. Otherwise, give his spot to a younger player, or find an upgrade in free agency.

Ebbett is probably gone. Schroeder is already better than him. A new 13th forward can be signed, if necessary.

Malhotra is probably gone. He is no longer a top-9 forward. He has become a depth forward, used mostly for defensive face-offs. His spot will go either to a younger player, or Gillis will upgrade the 3rd line centre position via free agency or trade, leaving Lapierre to anchor the 4th line.

Volpatti has a good shot to be retained as 4th line grinder.

That is all to say I don't think there will be a roster logjam next season. Gillis will have options in the summer. He will have an opportunity to re-shape the bottom-9 forward group. And AV will likely have options when it comes to doling out playing time. Internal competition is a good thing.
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