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#31 forklift_ole

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

Schroeder was no match for Cody as a junior and will never match him in the NHL. Do you really think he will ever be a #1C in the NHL? I like Jordon, but let's not hype his game. If he can be a consistent #3 with some #2 potential, he will be a success.


Schroeder made the U20 team at only 17 in 2008 and still scored 8 points in 6 games against guys much bigger and older than he. He's got the record for points for an American in the tournament, and is in third place all time for career assists in the World Juniors. Overall he's got 27 points in 19 games, plus a gold medal.

Hodgson went to one World Juniors, scored 16 points in 6 games, and won the gold.

Say what you will about what Cody "might have done", but as it stands, I'd say they're fairly even in Juniors achievement.

Edited by forklift_ole, 26 January 2013 - 02:29 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:31 PM

Jordon Schroeder is likely to be Steve yzerman like player......both are two way player but of course Yzerman is far more talented
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:32 PM

New thread Schroeder > Yzerman
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:35 PM

new thread

"Raymonds bat-in goal, was the celebration too small?"
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

Schroeder's faster, but that's it. Cody's better in every other regard.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

Schroeder's faster, but that's it. Cody's better in every other regard.


This is it. Cody is the better player.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

Care to do my palm reading while I'm here?


Pretty much.

No sense in these threads they just annoy everyone.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:48 PM

I am not a fan of Cody, I used to be...but the more and more I learn about him. Hes lazy and from my friend who works closely with the Canucks (said he had a piss poor attitude and didnt fit well with the team-- I mean ordering milk at a bar?? Really are you 10?)

I dont know much about Schroeder yet, I have only seen him play twice now. I seen him in the camps in Penticton but that was slightly different.

I think the reason why Weise is on that line with Raymond, is they needed a big body to compensate for their size. *shrugs* Got any other ideas??



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But he was tough as hell not only fast. He was losing his hair being almost bald in his 20's but anyone that teased him of that would get a sturdy poke-check or a cross check to the jaw.

Just because he ordered milk, so what? He has bad handlers, and I'm afraid unless his Dad and agent ease off, his career might be sidetracked like Lindros.

Cody is still a talented individual, and will be a top 6 forward for years to come if he can stay healthy. I didn't hear of anyone saying he has a poor attitude amongst his team. Kesler is an absolute jerk off the ice and I've heard this from multiple sources.
But what he does on the ice is great, so does anyone care? No.

Besides it's past history now. We've got Kassian, and he's a solid power forward, so I'd say the trade worked out for both teams.
I agree with EddieVedder that long term Schroeder will probably be converted to a winger or traded if guys like Gaunce develop in our system. But there's nothing wrong with depth!
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:54 PM

Jordon Schroeder is likely to be Steve yzerman like player......both are two way player but of course Yzerman is far more talented


Did you see Yzerman play when he started his career? He was a gifted offensive minded player when he broke into the league. It was Scotty Bowman that molded him into one of the best two-way forwards.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

Schroeder still has a long way to go to get to Hodgson's level. However, I don't get why we're even comparing the two. It should be Kassian vs. Hodgson since they were traded for one another and, IMO, they're both pretty even so far this season.

Kassian is bigger, tougher, younger, and more in line with our needs, so it's looking like it was a solid trade for us, IMO.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:03 PM

I like how everybody is saying that Hodgson is still much better. Do we really know? Who knows, JS has only played two games... He has an assist as well. He's also playing with Raymond and Weise, who aren't exactly Ponminville and Vanek.

JS has been nothing short of a great, hard working player, and he WILL prove many of us wrong. You guys just can't decide on who is better after seeing Schroeder play for only 2 games.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:04 PM

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:05 PM

JS has been nothing short of a great, hard working player, and he WILLmay prove many of us wrong. You guys just can't decide on who is better after seeing Schroeder play for only 2 games.


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:10 PM

I want to see Schroeder on the wing, I'd think he'd be more effective there. And at best, this guy is a 2nd liner while peaking at 65 points. Schroeder is good, but he's not a 1st liner. I'd love to see him play with Kesler and Booth at some point though, but we all know Raymond has that spot secured.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:17 PM

Both Jordon and Cody can both score big goal as show as the World Junior level........but yes Schroeder is likely suited on the wing than a center..........he is perefect with Kesler
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:20 PM

THe OP's assessment is very optimistic. I hope it turns out to be rigth but the odds are against it.
And saying "give him better wingers than Weiss" misses a key point. GIven that JS is small and cannot play a physical game, he needs at least one big physical winger to play with him to keep the other team honest. Hodgson is not a physical player either, but he does at least have enough size and strength to win his share of puck battles on the boards. And he can go in front of the net. And he has a much better shot than JS.

But a line of Raymond, JS, and a (fairly) tough guy with them is not bad. Two good skaters with offensive skills and a tough guy is a time tested formula for success. Let's see how the numbers look after 20 games or so.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 03:51 PM

I don't have exact stats but I'd wager (because it's obvious) that from the pool of skilled AHL players called up into the NHL the majority of them do not pan out into top 6 material. I'd love to see Schroeder beat the odds but I haven't seen that kind of flare from him yet.

A caution: every single NHL player is a god among men in the hockey universe and each is capable of making dazzling plays given the opportunity. Put a Dale Weise/typical NHL 4th liner in a less skilled environment (Dutch pro League) and he'll be Gretzky-like compared to the opposition. The higher skill play of the NHL doesn't wipe out the latent that these players have, it just decreases their chances of making a play that showcases it, the window of opportunity shrinks. The moral of the story is we'll always see flashes of greatness from the lowest rungs of the NHL player pool BUT those flashes do not mean their on their way to greatness. The only way to accurately gauge upcoming talent is to observe their ratio of great plays over a long period of time.

Schroeder hasn't had enough time to prove himself and the odds are very much against him. I hope he is the rare exception.

Edited by GrooveC, 26 January 2013 - 03:56 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:03 PM

I like how everybody is saying that Hodgson is still much better. Do we really know? Who knows, JS has only played two games... He has an assist as well. He's also playing with Raymond and Weise, who aren't exactly Ponminville and Vanek.

JS has been nothing short of a great, hard working player, and he WILL prove many of us wrong. You guys just can't decide on who is better after seeing Schroeder play for only 2 games.

Hodgson has proven he can play a Top 6 role well. Schroeder has not. That doesn't mean Schroeder won't catch or surpass Hodgson, but until he proves he's a Top 6 forward in the league, Hodgson > Schroeder.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

Mike Gillis' peon,is that you?

Seriously,why do you have to tear down people and players to make yourself look better?

This is sick o.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:11 PM

Schroeder made the U20 team at only 17 in 2008 and still scored 8 points in 6 games against guys much bigger and older than he. He's got the record for points for an American in the tournament, and is in third place all time for career assists in the World Juniors. Overall he's got 27 points in 19 games, plus a gold medal.

Hodgson went to one World Juniors, scored 16 points in 6 games, and won the gold.

Say what you will about what Cody "might have done", but as it stands, I'd say they're fairly even in Juniors achievement.


Hmmm...16 pts in 6 games sounds better than 27 pts in 19 (that breaks down to 9/6). Cody also made the all-star team of the tournament. Unfortunately he was injured for the 2010 world's so we'll never know how many points he would have racked up.

I'm not wanting to be critical of Jordon as I think he's a very good player. I just can't see him having the kind of success in the NHL that Cody will have.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:15 PM

I want to see Schroeder on the wing, I'd think he'd be more effective there. And at best, this guy is a 2nd liner while peaking at 65 points. Schroeder is good, but he's not a 1st liner. I'd love to see him play with Kesler and Booth at some point though, but we all know Raymond has that spot secured.


If Schroeder gets 65 points, I would say he overachieved.

can you actually imagine him getting 25 goals and 40 assists? 20 goals and 45 assists? 65 points is a 1st liner on nearly every team.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:20 PM

Gillis made a smart move, trading Hodgson for Kassian. |He knew he had Schroeder to eventually replace Cody.

Edited by Beefcake, 26 January 2013 - 04:29 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

This thread is as stupid as those that bashed Raymond after two games.


Schroeder (after two games of NHL experience) is now a top six forward and currently better than Cody Hodgson who had a 41 point rookie season?

*sigh.

This is appealing to emotion, not logic.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

He can be Kesler wing something Hodgson cannot do due to lack of speed

He can be Kesler wing something Hodgson cannot do due to lack of speed


If anyone watched last night's game and saw the feed he gave raymond, the passes he was making on the pp and throughout the game, I think we have the playmaker for the second line. He needs to have a shot with Kesler when Kes is back to see if they can find some chemistry.

That line needs a creative presence, he is showing he has it, can play D and can skate. I really see no reason to rush to judgement on this kid.

Those saying he's not better than CoHo, time will tell and yes CoHo is further ahead OFFENSIVELY at this point but:

1. As the OP said, and I would agree, Schroeds is showing he is much more defensively responsible than CoHo was/is even now

2. He has better wheels

3. Vision is on par, ability to pass

4. I'll give the shooting edge to CoHo (so far bec its still early).

5. Lets look at where Schroeds is after 45 games vs CoHo's first 45 before evaluating (and not just points, as a contributor all around).

6. Intelligence and poise. He understands what he needs to do to stick, and what AV wants out of him and he's doing it, something CoHo didn't want to accept.

7. I believe Schroeds has the tools to be a much better NHL'er than CoHo for many of the same points, and don't forget the kid was on team usa and a stud, he is not a fringe talent...patience guys, alot of people were crying about Kassian and now they're eating crow..
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:23 PM

PPL are seriously going to debate this? LOL..too funny this place.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:24 PM

Nobody cares about your defense when you score. If guys like Kopitar and Toews couldn't produce points, they would be bottom 6ers, they don't have the 1st line job because they can check.

Malhotra can check, he's easily our worst player. Higgins, Lapps, Hansen are all responsible defensive players, but we ain't paying em more than a couple mill because they're a dime a dozen.

Offense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Defense. This is why Sedin is our #1 guy and Kes is the #2.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:30 PM

I think Cody had more potential, but I've liked what I have seen so far from Schroeder.. Let's hope him and Mayray can develop some good chemistry! :)
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:37 PM

If anyone watched last night's game and saw the feed he gave raymond, the passes he was making on the pp and throughout the game, I think we have the playmaker for the second line. He needs to have a shot with Kesler when Kes is back to see if they can find some chemistry.

That line needs a creative presence, he is showing he has it, can play D and can skate. I really see no reason to rush to judgement on this kid.

Those saying he's not better than CoHo, time will tell and yes CoHo is further ahead OFFENSIVELY at this point but:

1. As the OP said, and I would agree, Schroeds is showing he is much more defensively responsible than CoHo was/is even now

2. He has better wheels

3. Vision is on par, ability to pass

4. I'll give the shooting edge to CoHo (so far bec its still early).

5. Lets look at where Schroeds is after 45 games vs CoHo's first 45 before evaluating (and not just points, as a contributor all around).

6. Intelligence and poise. He understands what he needs to do to stick, and what AV wants out of him and he's doing it, something CoHo didn't want to accept.

7. I believe Schroeds has the tools to be a much better NHL'er than CoHo for many of the same points, and don't forget the kid was on team usa and a stud, he is not a fringe talent...patience guys, alot of people were crying about Kassian and now they're eating crow..


OMG! We'll be able to trade Schroeder to a team that needs a 1st line center and get another player like Kassian! Get 'er done, Mike!
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:37 PM

That was a sick pass last night to Raymond!
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:43 PM

My main question is what's gonna be Booth's role on this team? Especially if Mason Raymond continues to put up points.

And now that Kassian is starting show promise and Schroeder is starting to get some games in for his own experience, will MG consider putting him on the trading block?

Edited by TheGreatCanucks, 26 January 2013 - 04:44 PM.

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