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#61 the grinder

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:55 PM

waa waa about cody ' the cancer ' hodgson , he is gone get over it , stop comparing apples to oranges , hodgson has a nhl caliber shot , his skating is suspect , . we got value in a trade for player who simply didnt want to be here, buffalo got what they needed we got what we needed , a young power foward with skill , mike gillis did a great job in that trade, trading a whiner who thought he was better than kesler and sedin or at least thats what cody,s dad thought
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:59 PM

......I don't even know what to say. Obviously not.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:01 PM

It's a good debate. It's crazy to say but the OP might be on to something. Cody just had alot more hype, so it's not surprising no one can view this POV seriously.

I posted this in the Jordan Schroeder thread last night:

This is something I have been thinking about alot aswell.

I mean can he become a better player? Maybe, maybe not. But when you break down what both players bring, you see Schroeder has some significant advantages and I don't think Cody has many significant advantages over JS.

I wouldn't write off JS potentially becoming just as good if not better, perhaps the ceiling isn't as high but in a year I could see JS as just as good a player as Cody is now, cause I think he is a better player now than Cody was at this point in the season last year, and like Cody I expect Schroeder will continue to get better as the season goes along.


Anyone agree? Or atleast understand where I am coming from?

I mean Cody has more fans now so it is a tough sell, and maybe Cody has a higher ceiling (maybe not) but some players take longer to develop than others, and it doesn't mean that can't be just as good if not better. And Schroeder has some significant advantages in his game that Cody does not.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:07 PM

My main question is what's gonna be Booth's role on this team? Especially if Mason Raymond continues to put up points.

And now that Kassian is starting show promise and Schroeder is starting to get some games in for his own experience, will MG consider putting him on the trading block?


If Burrows can keep improving at center then we could ice something like

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Raymond-Kesler-Schroeder
Booth-Burrows-Hansen
Higgins-Lapierre-Weise

Malholtra
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:07 PM

Schroeder was no match for Cody as a junior and will never match him in the NHL. Do you really think he will ever be a #1C in the NHL? I like Jordon, but let's not hype his game. If he can be a consistent #3 with some #2 potential, he will be a success.


Do you think Cody has the potential of a #1C?

I certainly don't.


I notice everyone saying Cody has superior offensive talent. but honestly JS has high offensive talent aswell, his wrister IMO is just as good if not better and he is just as good a passer, and he is better at anticipating the play and making the passes in an instant.

Schroeder was once rated like 15th among prospects in the league on a website I saw, since then he has been on the backburner for no good reason, and now he is starting to show that potential again. Could see he and Cody both as good 2nd line center's who both bring a bit different components.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:09 PM

ehh...

Edited by Joe_Shmo, 26 January 2013 - 05:16 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:17 PM

My main question is what's gonna be Booth's role on this team? Especially if Mason Raymond continues to put up points.

And now that Kassian is starting show promise and Schroeder is starting to get some games in for his own experience, will MG consider putting him on the trading block?


If Schroeder and Kassian continue this play I think he will be, but I doubt it, we could move Schroeder down the the third line and hansen can play on the fourth and Volpatti and Weise can battle it out for the last spot. I would really love to see schroeder center for kesler, he would set Kesler up like a love guru. Then Burrows or Raymond can be on the other wing as Burrow has crazy chemistry with Kesler but Raymond has pretty good chemistry with Schroeder. Kassian can stay on the first if he does well if not he can give the second a shot. Bottom six stays the same except volpatti and weise will have to battle it out for the last spot. If anything and AV really doesn't want to play JS he can move him back down to the AHL and Malhotra or Lapiere won't get resigned. ): good team problems ):
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

If Schroeder and Kassian continue this play I think he will be, but I doubt it, we could move Schroeder down the the third line and hansen can play on the fourth and Volpatti and Weise can battle it out for the last spot. I would really love to see schroeder center for kesler, he would set Kesler up like a love guru. Then Burrows or Raymond can be on the other wing as Burrow has crazy chemistry with Kesler but Raymond has pretty good chemistry with Schroeder. Kassian can stay on the first if he does well if not he can give the second a shot. Bottom six stays the same except volpatti and weise will have to battle it out for the last spot. If anything and AV really doesn't want to play JS he can move him back down to the AHL and Malhotra or Lapiere won't get resigned. ): good team problems ):


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:26 PM

I like how everybody is saying that Hodgson is still much better. Do we really know? Who knows, JS has only played two games... He has an assist as well. He's also playing with Raymond and Weise, who aren't exactly Ponminville and Vanek.

JS has been nothing short of a great, hard working player, and he WILL prove many of us wrong. You guys just can't decide on who is better after seeing Schroeder play for only 2 games.


Pretty much this.

Cody just has more hype than Jordan so it's easy to see why everyone is largerly in Cody's corner.

The thing is Jordan was rated in the top 15, had top 10 consideration in his draft year, and if we had picked him up in the top 10 I think this point could be much more fathomable.

I think the injuries early on to have kind of cut off Cody's highest potential, I don't see it any higher then a solid 2nd liner. Which is what I think Jordan will be.

Both will be good players and bring different elements to the game. Schroeder brings more speed, elusiveness better defensively, better on the rush, Cody will be a better PP guy and better in the offensive zone in stagnant situations.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:36 PM

I still like Cody over Schroeds. But I like his game, and his ability to work with Raymond. AV also seems to trust Schroeder over Hodgson for his first games on the defensive side. I don't think he should have a problem making the NHL long term.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

......I don't even know what to say. Obviously not.


Like I mentioned: this thread is appealing more to emotion and fan bias than it is logically. There is absolutely no statistical evidence whatsoever to suggest Jordan in any way is better than Cody.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

Put Schroeder between Pominville and Vanek he'll get better results.

Put Cody between Dank and Burr or Dank and Kas and he will look even better than he does now is what I was thinking.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:46 PM

Better? What basis are we judging one player to be better by?
More useful to this team? Well in the Kassian and Schroeder vs Hodgson and Schroeder scenario I would take Kassian and Shroeder. We lose a playmaking centre with a good shot who we replace with a smaller, yet faster and grittier 2 way centre who plays well in defensive situations, while also bringing in Kassian, a hard hitting, large powerforward.
So is the organization better off going with Schroeder as a centre (plus Kassian from the deal) or are we better off with just Hodgson and Schroeder (who would have no room to make the team in this organization and doesn't have much trade value at the moment), which basically means just Hodgson as Schroeder would stay in the AHL, or are we better with Kassian and Schroeder?
I would definitely choose Kassian and Schroeder.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:47 PM

Do you think Cody has the potential of a #1C?

I certainly don't.


I notice everyone saying Cody has superior offensive talent. but honestly JS has high offensive talent aswell, his wrister IMO is just as good if not better and he is just as good a passer, and he is better at anticipating the play and making the passes in an instant.

Schroeder was once rated like 15th among prospects in the league on a website I saw, since then he has been on the backburner for no good reason, and now he is starting to show that potential again. Could see he and Cody both as good 2nd line center's who both bring a bit different components.


Cody is the #1C for Buffalo. So, yeah.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:48 PM

Cody just has more hype than Jordan so it's easy to see why everyone is largerly in Cody's corner.

Laugher statement of the season.
Hodgson,his character,his parents,his injuries,his agent,his dog and his friends have all been utterly trashed on this site.
Jordan has been given sweetness and light here by comparison.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

Frankly, Cody Hodgson =/= what some people think Cody Hodgson is.

Schroeder and Hodgson are both still developing and are a long way off.

Each guy has something to offer. At the moment, Schroeder has more to offer the Canucks than does Hodgson. Schroeder can be a good 2RW and he can also serve as a 3C, so this flexibility makes Schroeder valuable. Hodgson is pretty much useless unless he is a top-6 center, which he would not be on this team for any amount of time. Yes, Kesler is injured etc, etc, however Kesler won't be injured for the next decade.

Hodgson will likely be the bigger point producer of the two (I mean between Hodgson and Schroeder), provided he has wingers who can also do a lot of the work. Interestingly enough, while Hodgson is supposed to be a great play-maker, and he's supposed to make the guys around him better, he hasn't got a single assist four games into the season, and this with him being on the top line with a couple of pretty good shooters (I believe he is with Vanek and Pominville, no?). It seems odd that he has only 3 points (3g) while they are at 9 and 8 points respectively.

Hodgson was +4 over his first two games, but was -2 over his next two games.

Schroeder is the better skater of the two.

Another area where Schroeder might have a leg up is that he has shown more in the faceoff circle during his development. Hodgson showed an ongoing weakness in this area. Last season he only managed a 37% success ratio during his time with Buffalo. This season, Hodgson has had variable results of 55% in a win vs Philadelphia, 27.7% in a win vs Toronto, 27.2% in a loss vs Carolina, 47.6% in a loss vs Carolina.

This season Schroeder has provided results of 25% in a win vs Calgary and 57.9% in a win vs Anaheim.

It's a small sample size for both players so take it for what it's worth.


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:57 PM

This thread just confirms how bitter and illogical most of CDC is.... Hodgson is so much better than Schroeder, this shouldn't even be a comparison. Just because you hate Hodgson now (as fickle Canucks fans like to do) means you can blind yourself to the fact that Hodgson has three goals already, as well as 40 points last year? Not to mention he scored at a point per game pace in the AHL while Schroeder was trucking along at an average pace.... oh, but of course! Schroeder got an assist! So Schroeder > Hodgson. Yeah, no. Schroeder might be a better skater, but that's it.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:57 PM

I think it's wayyyy to early to tell. It's Schroeders 4th game in the NHL. Cody's on his 2nd yr.

But I will say Schroeder's been more successful playing difficult minutes early in his NHL career. 2nd most faceoffs taken last night, more d-zone faceoffs than any other Canucks, and playing against top opponents without a chaperone. You'll recall Cody playing the 'opposite' type minutes in his first 20+ games w/ Canucks. AV clearly trusts Schroeder early on - which is pretty shocking IMO. Obviously Schroeders earned it and it's nice to see.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:58 PM

Cody is the #1C for Buffalo. So, yeah.


Kassian is on our 1st line.

Does that make them bonified 1st line players? No.

In Cody's case just filling in cause they have no depth and don't want to separate the Ennis/Stafford combo.

So yeah.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 26 January 2013 - 05:58 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 05:59 PM

I am not a fan of Cody, I used to be...but the more and more I learn about him. Hes lazy and from my friend who works closely with the Canucks (said he had a piss poor attitude and didnt fit well with the team-- I mean ordering milk at a bar?? Really are you 10?)

Sounds like you'll believe anything. He trained in the off-seasons with Gary Roberts, and was often praised for his work ethic.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:01 PM

Laugher statement of the season.
Hodgson,his character,his parents,his injuries,his agent,his dog and his friends have all been utterly trashed on this site.
Jordan has been given sweetness and light here by comparison.


Jordan has earned his role.

Cody IMO, didn't last year. The spot was his from the get go, we could have sat him the entire pre-season and he still would have been on the team. He wanted out the year earlier so we needed him to make the club so we could get better assets in return.

Saying Jordan has been giving "sweetness and the light" whatever that means, couldn't be further from the truth, Jordan has worked hard, overcome critics and earned his opportunity and now he is making the most of it.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:02 PM

cody who?........i dont remember a guy named cody on the canucks.
oh wait......are you still talking about that rookie that didnt really do anything.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:02 PM

Most of this thread in a nutshell.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:03 PM

This thread just confirms how bitter and illogical most of CDC is.... Hodgson is so much better than Schroeder, this shouldn't even be a comparison. Just because you hate Hodgson now (as fickle Canucks fans like to do) means you can blind yourself to the fact that Hodgson has three goals already, as well as 40 points last year? Not to mention he scored at a point per game pace in the AHL while Schroeder was trucking along at an average pace.... oh, but of course! Schroeder got an assist! So Schroeder > Hodgson. Yeah, no. Schroeder might be a better skater, but that's it.


I think it is more of a future thing.

To me the comparison is where Schroeder is now vs where Cody was at this point in the season last year.

Only been 2 games, but those 2 games have been more telling than just saying "it's been 2 games" as AV has already shown the confidence in JS to give him the most Dzone starts of any center and was rewarded with JS going 11 for 19 in the dot overall.

I think Schroeder is a bit better overall in that respect. (as I have maintained after watching the Wolves during the lockout that he was better prior to his debut than Cody was in last years pre-season) And if Schroeder continues to grow this year and get better as the year goes along like Cody did with us last season, then I don't see why he can't be at the same point Cody is at now, next season.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:04 PM

Kassian is on our 1st line.
Does that make them bonified 1st line players? No.
In Cody's case just filling in cause they have no depth and don't want to separate the Ennis/Stafford combo.

So yeah.

Did Kassian earn first line honours in the NHL....
What did he do at the AHL level that gave him this privilige....
Kassian is up with the Sedins because Burr is playing 2c.
With that said,Kassian has shown he has game so I am happy that he is given a chance.
The .org is giving him some confidence but it is because Kes is hurt and the.org did not trade for or sign a 2c as they should have.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:07 PM

Schroeder fits better on this team.

However Hodgdon will be and is a better player.

Just a simple fact.
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If you like looking at statistics to determine who's better, you're just a casual fan.

2.41 season GAA isn't very impressive. Let's not get into playoffs and his SV%.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:08 PM

Jordan has earned his role.
Cody IMO, didn't last year. He wanted out the year earlier so we needed him to make the club so we could get better assets in return.
Saying Jordan has been giving "sweetness and the light" whatever that means, couldn't be further from the truth, Jordan has worked hard, overcome critics and earned his opportunity and now he is making the most of it.

Again.bashing Hodgson to fill your misguided soul is just sad.Stating that a player wants out in every second post without a shred of supporting evidence is ignorant.
Hodgson never worked hard and some mysterious skater potted all his goals for him.Yeah.
I am sure Schroeder would like to play for the Wild and Kes would like to play for the Red Wings or whomever was his childhood favourite.Get a clue,bud and quit bashing and trolling.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:10 PM

Again.bashing Hodgson to fill your misguided soul is just sad.Stating that a player wants out in every second post without a shred of supporting evidence is ignorant.
Hodgson never worked hard and some mysterious skater potted all his goals for him.Yeah.
I am sure Schroeder would like to play for the Wild and Kes would like to play for the Red Wings or whomever was his childhood favourite.Get a clue,bud and quit bashing and trolling.


Shouldn't you be drooling over Ebbett,seeing asyou pretty much guaranteed he's be the centre on the second line?

Oh that's right Schroeder stole his spot.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:10 PM

Boy do I love these threads where we will never know until years down the road in hindsight. See you all in 2020!! :picard:
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:10 PM

Did Kassian earn first line honours in the NHL....
What did he do at the AHL level that gave him this privilige....
Kassian is up with the Sedins because Burr is playing 2c.
With that said,Kassian has shown he has game so I am happy that he is given a chance.
The .org is giving him some confidence but it is because Kes is hurt and the.org did not trade for or sign a 2c as they should have.


Since when does AHL preformence hold the merrit for who gets 1st line NHL opportunites?

If so Keith Acouin would have been Toronto's 1st line center long ago.

Kassian earned his 1st line role by playing well when he was given the opportunity.

did Cody earn his 1st line role? He was placed on that line from the start for 2 Reasons.

1) They have no depth, they had no one else aside from Ennis
2) They didn't want to breakup Ennis and Stafford or else Ennis would have likely been given that shot 1st.

Not sure where you are going with this.
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