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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:43 PM

I think it's way too early to compare. Schroeder is young so is Cody. Maybe give it a few more years before we judge both players.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:44 PM

Maybe thats more a result of a lack of real offensive centers in their organization, so he kinda defaults to number 1? Have you seen the points he's been getting?

1. Bounces off his body for goals (2)
2. Pitty 3rd assists
3. Playing poorly defensively
4. Point total is being inflated by playing on the same line as a guy who has consistently sniped 40 goals a year without him and is on a tear.
5. Is Bozak and a number 1 there champ? Well he seems to be playing 1st on Toronto isn't he? Nice logic huh? same as yours. Should we trade kesler for Bozak since Kes is a number 2 and Bozak is a number 1? Lol...please..And don't argue because I am using YOUR logic..."he's playing number 1 so he is, is your logic"
6. Back to the Bozak example, as I assume you're going to argue CoHo's numbers aren't inflated, well Bozak's sure were playing with Kessel and Lupul so...hmmmm

Checkmate


Right place right time (anticipation, positioning). It's such a dumb argument when people complain about how a certain player accumulates points. When Henrik won the Art Ross, I recall cry babies on neutral forums complaining about how many of his points were second assists. Last time I checked, a player typically will not score a goal unless someone creates a play. The assist is just as valuable as the goal itself.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:50 PM

Jordon Schroeder is likely to be Steve yzerman like player......both are two way player but of course Yzerman is far more talented

you trolling me bro
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:55 PM

Pretty much my exact feeling.

Kassian and Cody will both be very good players, and both fit each team better moving forward. It is actually kind of interesting in that respect.

They needed a center and got Cody, while having Foligno to fill a similar role moving Forward that they hoped Zack would, then ditto here with Zack being a bigger need, and having Schroeder to play that similar role to Cody.

As far as a Cody/Schroeder comparison, Schroeder is better on the rush as you say, aswell as the skating and seems to be better on faceoffs/defensively. Cody does though have a defensive aspect to his game aswell, just doesn't have the mobility to go with it like JS does.

I think offensively both have there strong points, Cody has a better slapper, Schroeder has just as good if not better of a Wrister, Cody is better on the PP/controlled situations at setting up players and making plays, Schroeder is better at making quick, hard, accurate passes in an instant with little time to think about it.

Both bring alot.

I think all 3 players in question will be good 2nd liners, all who bring different aspects to the table in there roles. It's exciting to see from our perspective. Cody and Zack probably have a higher ceiling as it looks right now, but I wouldn't write off JS either, could see him as a bit of a late bloomer and becoming a Cammalleri/Briere type of player.


Yeah man, Schroeder knows he can play at this level now, so I only see him improving.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:56 PM

Not even close. At best Schroeder will be a second liner. Hodgson is already a top 6 center and will continue to develop into a star player in this league.


I agree with everything in this statement, except that he will develop into a star, I think Hodgson will eventually fizzle out, not a long time superstar.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 08:59 PM

Yeah man, Schroeder knows he can play at this level now, so I only see him improving.


Yeah I can't wait to see Schroeder get an opportunity to shoot.

If SJ Leaves him open tommorow he will score, guys got a deadly shot.

1 shot scorer for sure, can't wait to see it. All this talk is making me excited to see him play again.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:02 PM

Yeah I can't wait to see Schroeder get an opportunity to shoot.

If SJ Leaves him open tommorow he will score, guys got a deadly shot.

1 shot scorer for sure, can't wait to see it. All this talk is making me excited to see him play again.


Yeah he almost had one at the end of the game against the Ducks but he got robbed I think.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 09:06 PM

Hope he can develop some good chem with Raymond. If MayRay has a subpar year, he's surely gone, if he plays well, he could take a bigger payday elsewhere. He doesnt make that much and with the new kid could be looking for better bank, not sure if the Nucks could accomodate that. A Schroeder-Raymond tandem could go a long way to keeping MR21 a Canuck, something I am really hoping for.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:04 PM

Cody Hodgson: People argue that Hodgson isn't great at defence but to be honest, now I'm not going to argue about that but I'd like to point out that he doesn't need to excel at defence. Look at Henrik Sedin for example (not saying that he is bad at defence), Henrik isn't exactly put out in defensive situations. He is mainly used to play in offensive situations where the coach knows he will excel. Hodgson will most likely succeed in the NHL as a strong offensive player who can put up 60-70 points a year.

Jordan Schroeder: I know that Schroeder doesn't have ideal size for an NHL player, but neither does Patrick Kane, Martin St. Louis, Derek Roy or Ray Whitney. I'm not saying that Schroeder is better than those guys but I don't think his size will be as much an issue as we think. As long as we give him a big winger to play with, opponents won't be so inclined to take liberties on him. I believe that Schroeder's speed and defensive abilities will keep him in the NHL for a long time and it will be a bonus if he can strengthen his offensive skills.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:14 PM

I think it's wayyyy to early to tell. It's Schroeders 4th game in the NHL. Cody's on his 2nd yr.

But I will say Schroeder's been more successful playing difficult minutes early in his NHL career. 2nd most faceoffs taken last night, more d-zone faceoffs than any other Canucks, and playing against top opponents without a chaperone. You'll recall Cody playing the 'opposite' type minutes in his first 20+ games w/ Canucks. AV clearly trusts Schroeder early on - which is pretty shocking IMO. Obviously Schroeders earned it and it's nice to see.


Having Kassian and Schroeder on this team > Hodgson and Schroeder...


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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:16 PM

Mike Gillis' peon,is that you?

Seriously,why do you have to tear down people and players to make yourself look better?

This is sick o.


Says the guy who tears down Gillis in every second post.
Gillis is a Canuck as well nucknit.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:20 PM

i sure hope cody hogdson turns in dan hogdson another famous canuck pick
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:23 PM

They are different types of players - who are very early in their careers with a lot of developing to do so claims about who is better are probably premature but I would say that Schroeder is a better fit in Vancouver simply because he has a skill set more suited to playing a third line role. Hodgson provided very good scoring support in that role, but using him optimally in situations that suited his strengths meant giving the third line more offensive zone starts than would normally be the case, with the result being a greater defensive tax on the already hobbled Kesler. Schroeder may not be 'better' but his two way game is a better fit imo. I'm admittedly biased in favour of players with a two way game - as far as I'm concerned if you don't play two way hockey, you better be a legitimate top line, consistently producing, offensive talent.

Edited by oldnews, 26 January 2013 - 10:26 PM.

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:19 PM

Hodgson has proven he can play a Top 6 role well. Schroeder has not. That doesn't mean Schroeder won't catch or surpass Hodgson, but until he proves he's a Top 6 forward in the league, Hodgson > Schroeder.


Hodgson has proven this?

11 points 24 games as a first line player and close to no points in a handful of second line games with van is proven?
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:27 AM

I find it funny how forever there was kassian and cody comparisons. And now that kassian is proving his worth, all these cody/schroeder comparisons pop up. The kid is not a canuck anymore and was NEVER a big part to this team.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 03:27 AM

no, it must have been an average pass that isnt worth writing home about. that one pass doesnt make schroeders call up a successful one... hes been about as forgettable as ebbett was on the second line...

christ, they put alex burrows at centre above schroeder. THAT should tell you something.


An average pass? You mean the perfect saucer past 2 defenders sticks right onto the tape of Raymonds stick?



Schroeder has been extremely effective out there. His speed is excellent, he is logging almost 15 mins a game, and he has been doing excellent work on the PP (putting in 4 mins a game) behind only the Twins, Edler, and Garrison. You think AV is just putting him out there to eat up minutes?

He is also 52% in the circle (3rd on the team) with players with at least 10 face offs.

He has great on ice vision, is very good in his own end, and makes very good decisions with the puck, and its obvious that , even though he is small, he has the tools to succeed at the NHL level

Open your eyes! There is a whole world outside of the score sheet that you apparently cant see now.

Edited by 5minutesinthebox, 27 January 2013 - 03:31 AM.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:27 AM

The dude in my avatar is Cyclone Taylor. Won two Stanley Cups, one with the Vancouver Millionaires.
From "The Legends Of Hockey" book:

"Fred Taylor raised in a home of church-going Methodists. Although hockey brought him into contact some boisterously, uninhibited playmates, he went through his entire life without taking a drink, smoking, or playing cards. And he never swore- at least not publicly."

But he was tough as hell not only fast. He was losing his hair being almost bald in his 20's but anyone that teased him of that would get a sturdy poke-check or a cross check to the jaw.

Just because he ordered milk, so what? He has bad handlers, and I'm afraid unless his Dad and agent ease off, his career might be sidetracked like Lindros.


Quoted poster, you are a jumping off point, below is not directed at you.

What I find depressing/disgusting is when people constantly have beer/alcohol in the house*, the people who sit down and get "buzzed" (usually them avoiding the fact that they are indeed drunk and yelling at a flickering screen). If you don't want to be judged for being an alcohol/escapism dependent asshole, then don't judge a kid for not wanting to become inebriated. The poster that you quoted was perfectly valid in stating that Hodgson may not have fit in with the team due to the lack of alcohol consumption, but the idea that it is a personal fault (10 year old comment) is more a reflection on that poster then Hodgson. I do drink alcohol on occasion (socially outside of my home), but I find I generally get along better with the DD's and those who drink little/no alcohol. Maybe it is because they are actually interesting and don't need the C2H6O veil.

These are just petty people too emotionally involved in an organization/business they know little about, so they attack this kid without knowing more then cursory information about what is going on.

*No inclusive of those that have a hobby, like a wine cellar or home brewing.

/rant
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 05:17 AM

Reading the Coho thread.

And the optimistic bias towards Cody is incredibly clear to me, you even see it in this thread and whenever he is brought up in ZK talk.

http://forum.canucks.../page__st__6000

I understand it was a different time but the fact that people were comparing him to Giroux, and saying that Landeskog wouldn't make our roster is unbelievable to me.

It's easy to judge now without the optimistic hype surrounding him (atleast for me, now that it has worn off on me), also easy to tell that just a few years ago our top 2 prospects at the time (said prospects in question: Schroeder & Cody) Were at an all time low valuewise, Schroeder came off a bad AHL year, and Cody was being projected as a 3rd liner by NHL anaylists after the 2011 playoffs.

It's also kinda funny reading it, people saying "AV would be gone before Cody was gone" and "It's not up to him (signed for 2 more years, then RFA after) and I don't see why he wouldn't want to stay for 2 more years or him having that attitude"

Oh well times are different. Just funny to look back and see some of this stuff.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 06:57 AM

Come on everyone. Enough of COHO.
Haha I can't imagine what a bad breakup would be like for you people.

It's far too early to make comparisons. Try seasons end.
Or 5+ years from now, even better...

Hodgson put up 41 pts last year. Fact.
Hodgson was given sheltered minutes, and a disproportionate number of o-zone starts. Fact.
Hodgson was not terrible, but wasn't very good defensively. Fact.
Hodgson put up comparable ppg numbers in OUR farm system. Fact.

IMO Hodgson is more talented. He's got a better shot.
But not the landslide that people make it out to be.
Writing off Schroeder is as ridiculous as writing of Hodgson before last year.
Wait and see.

Schroeder has got much better foot speed, comparable strength, and stronger 2-way play.
Its not inconceivable that he could score at a 32-35+ pt pace, WITHOUT selective starts.

Come playoff time the playoffs that IS a major plus.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:39 AM

J.S. could be the 2nd coming of of Cliff Ronning!
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:55 AM

Sticking to the playing side, they are just two diferent types of centre.

For the line that JS is centring he is, so far, an ideal type of player. Fast, sees the plays, is unselfish and quick enough to not only be in at the kill but to get back when/if the need demands it.

Cory for me was slow and studied, until it came to working on the boards, then he was quick and accurate and difficult to displace off the puck. He has a wonderful shot and a great eye for an opening. However at the end of the day his lack of pace will eventually see him hit his glass ceiling.

Schroeder on the other hand, if he keeps his speed while building some more muscle and adopts a bit more "devilment/swagger" could just be a real top liner by the time he is in his late 20's.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 08:15 AM

Schroeder should stay in place of malhotra. Malhotra is probably a good guy off the ice but he doesn't have it anymore. He doesnt fit with the canucks anymore. Schroeder can win faceoffs too and is younger, faster and grittier.

Centers when healthy should be:
H Sedin
Kesler
Schroeder
Lapierre
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:03 AM

OP you are wrong. Not even close.
In every aspect of the game Cody is currently better and has a higher ceiling except maybe skating. Have you watched Cody this year? Almost every shift he is making big plays.
Stronger, better shot, better vision, better passing, better stick handling.
I predict at least 30 points for Cody in this shortened season for a nice little break out.
He will break 70 points in a full season soon.
Schroeder will NEVER break 50 points in the NHL or I will eat my hat.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:14 AM

Nope,

jS won't even have as big of an impact as CH if he plays his entire career here.

CH had one of the most remarkable shots in one moment in Canucks history. A shot against the Bruins that will be remembered forever.

JS doesn't even have that shot in his repertoire.

CH netted us Kassian

JS will be part of a package deal when Management finally realizes they made a mistake and cut ties.

He made one nice pass... Everything else has been Ebbett like at best.

Sorry short fan boys, you will have to wait for Jensen or Corrado for real rookie excitement.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:14 AM

Someone told me where the pub for disgruntled Cody fans was ..... I just can't remember
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:17 AM

An average pass? You mean the perfect saucer past 2 defenders sticks right onto the tape of Raymonds stick?



Schroeder has been extremely effective out there. His speed is excellent, he is logging almost 15 mins a game, and he has been doing excellent work on the PP (putting in 4 mins a game) behind only the Twins, Edler, and Garrison. You think AV is just putting him out there to eat up minutes?

He is also 52% in the circle (3rd on the team) with players with at least 10 face offs.

He has great on ice vision, is very good in his own end, and makes very good decisions with the puck, and its obvious that , even though he is small, he has the tools to succeed at the NHL level

Open your eyes! There is a whole world outside of the score sheet that you apparently cant see now.


Remember when Cody was getting all the pp time and minutes etc... And booyah, showcased and traded... I can see it now
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:27 AM

An average pass? You mean the perfect saucer past 2 defenders sticks right onto the tape of Raymonds stick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_3Tg7-g0DM

Schroeder has been extremely effective out there. His speed is excellent, he is logging almost 15 mins a game, and he has been doing excellent work on the PP (putting in 4 mins a game) behind only the Twins, Edler, and Garrison. You think AV is just putting him out there to eat up minutes?

He is also 52% in the circle (3rd on the team) with players with at least 10 face offs.

He has great on ice vision, is very good in his own end, and makes very good decisions with the puck, and its obvious that , even though he is small, he has the tools to succeed at the NHL level

Open your eyes! There is a whole world outside of the score sheet that you apparently cant see now.


The only other players on the team that can make a pass like that are the Sedin twins. Funny how people want to call that pass average. Maybe if it wasn't a perfectly placed saucer pass across ice then yes, it would be average.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:28 AM

I can see the thread titles from the future:

Jensen > Coho
Guance... is he better then Hodgson
Corrado will be better then Hodgson
Cannata better then Cody
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:31 AM

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christ, they put alex burrows at centre above schroeder. THAT should tell you something.

Not whatever you're implying though. But hey who cares lets just say random crap and suggest its fact.

Very happy with Shroeder. Totally green and looked ok so far.

Some of you people are so tense... geez.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 09:56 AM

Cody Hodgson was a decent hockey player with too much drama for this league. I would never want him on my team, hell, instead of trading him, we should have buried him in the minors for the rest of his contract for being a douche. Gillis got Kassian for crying Cody. I stopped calling for his head after that.

I know you all want to see everyone we develop turn into a super star, but are you guys watching the same hockey games as me? The only player Schroeder reminds me of is Jeff Tamballini. Schroeder is an amazing AHL player, and thats where he belongs. One decent pass and you guys are calling him a future top 6. I see him fall down so much, Raymond is giving him pointers on how to stay on his skates.

Way I see it is Kassian > 80% of the league > Schroeder > hot dog bun left in Rogers Arena urinal > Hodgson.
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