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#211 FireGillis

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:07 AM

Forget cody, schroeder can turn into our version of patrick kane! Going to be a star in this league for a very long time.

Edited by Fire AV, 29 January 2013 - 12:08 AM.

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#212 Erik Karlsson

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

He's crazy good at passing.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

He's had so many chances to score his first ever goal in the NHL.

It would be nice if he gets one next game.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:18 AM

Schroeder hasn't looked out of place at all so far. He's been producing chances while skating and passing well. He's also got a nice wrist shot.

Though the Canucks haven't been playing the best it's been nice to have some prospects on our team.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

Forget cody, schroeder can turn into our version of patrick kane! Going to be a star in this league for a very long time.


Are you serious? If Schroeder can develop into a good second liner, I will be very happy. A star player? I don't think so.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:42 AM

This California road trip had 3 of the biggest and most physical teams in the NHL and Schroeder was able to hold his ground admirably. His size isn't that big of an issue.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:28 PM

Raymond Shredder Hansen line should be named the foot clan
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:07 PM

Raymond Shredder Hansen line should be named the foot clan

outside of the tmnt reference, the speed also fits to that moniker as well. Can u assign a moniker to a line???
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:51 PM

Tonight cody -2 in 5-4 SO win over habs. 0pts
Schroeder and Kassian both +1 in 4-1 win over wild 0pts

Edited by Watsuko, 07 February 2013 - 10:51 PM.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:11 PM

Tonight cody -2 in 5-4 SO win over habs. 0pts
Schroeder and Kassian both +1 in 4-1 win over wild 0pts


Hmmm Cody has ten points in eleven games. You're can't compare players based on one game lol...

Not taking any sides but just saying
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:26 PM

^ As long as he takes Ebbett's spot in the lineup I don't care.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:29 PM

This California road trip had 3 of the biggest and most physical teams in the NHL and Schroeder was able to hold his ground admirably. His size isn't that big of an issue.


It's an issue, but I agree, the teams in California all have pretty big guys and he has played well so far. I'm pleasantly surprised. Not sure where he fits on the team when Kesler is back, but I wouldn't mind seeing him stick around (maybe get rid of Weise or someone for his spot, not sure--so many centers :/).
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:32 PM

no.. maybe if your talking about kassian, but schroeder hasnt really shown anything to be excited about yet. in fact, hes been very unnoticeable.


He's played 7 games haha. I remember Cody after 7 games, the sky was falling.
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#224 SamJamIam

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:12 AM

JS is showing a hell of a lot more skill, size and ability to win battles along the boards than he did in the AHL. I think part of our shock and amazement is due to that. However he is also god like at passing and on a line with Hansen and Raymond, magic certainly happens. Seems like if you stick any 2 of those guys together you get some pretty impressive stuff happening. All 3 is a line that needs to stay together. They all play every shift like its their last which is a proper game-changer on both sides of the ice. That's also a feature that is very valuable come playoff time.

Cody meanwhile can obviously put up points however he's also on the perfect team. Buffalo couldn't care less about their 2-way game, which is why they're a team that has 7 more GF than us and nearly double the GA. Hodgson is the same way. He's still got a -3 while his linemates have 10 and 11 respectively. His goals are pretty underwhelming too. I loved his rocket past Thomas but I haven't seen anything like that this year. He's picking up some garbage, scoring off his ass or skate, and getting a couple assists because Vanek and Pominville are one-man armies. Also he gets 6 minutes of ice time a game more than Schroeder.

In the end, I'd say JS is certainly underrated and Coho is definitely overrated. "Better player" is impossible to define though. I'd take JS because he's got work ethic to go with his skill and he won't disappear in the playoffs. Also he plays solid defense that means when he scores, we love him and when he's just playing his 2 way game, we don't hate him for being invisble or getting scored on. Coho meanwhile had 8 points during the Nucks cup run and was a -7. His poor defense is a theme and in our market, he'd have been torn to pieces once that inevitable clutch goal against happens and he's directly responsible.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:19 AM

Schroeder's sister > Hodgson's dad

We can all agree on this.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:27 AM

Schroeder's sister > Hodgson's dad

We can all agree on this.


nvm :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

Edited by Trebreh, 08 February 2013 - 12:34 AM.

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#227 DunCanuck

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:25 AM

Who cares? We are winning games with the line-up we currently have. Stop living in the past folks, if you liked Hodgson (like I did), tune into the odd Sabres game and cheer for his success. The only situation where it *may* be necessary to start making comparisons to him Kassian (or Schroeder now?) is if he hoists the cup before our beloved Canucks. Until then, cheer for your Canucks, cheer for your favourite players, and appreciate hockey!

Cheers!

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Edited by DunCanuck, 08 February 2013 - 01:25 AM.

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#228 nuck nit

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:33 AM

Gillis is a Canuck as well nucknit.

Gillis is a lawyer,former Boston Bruin,former player agent and GM/CEO of a major Corporation.
He was never a Canucks player,whom I have interest in,oldnews.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:34 AM

JS is not only fast with offensive upside, he is smart defensively and a good back/fore-checker.

I like this emergence of defensive forwards, they win you championships.

LA has Brown and Kopitar, both play a 200 foot game, Boston has guys like Bergeron, Lucic, same thing. Chicago has Toews and Sharp, same thing. Detroit has Datsyuk, Zetterberg and great role players like Helm.

Canucks have Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Kassian has shown hes pretty responsible defensively.

And i think Schroeder is going to have a solid career. Gillis is on to something.. Lol i love the stat of Codys +/- and how many goals get scored when hes on the ice.

Edited by frazzY, 08 February 2013 - 03:51 AM.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:17 AM

I think a lot of Canuck fans are acting pretty immature about Hodgson. Many are letting their feelings and disappointment in hearing about the behind the scenes events which lead to his departure manifest into actually tricking their own minds into thinking he was a bad hockey player.
Hodgson is still a kid. Yes his defense is pretty weak but he still has 10-15 years left in the league to improve that. To be honest, his high skillset offset by his foot speed (or lack of) and the passive defense in his own zone actually reminds me of our own captain Henrik.
The Sedin's greatest strength is their ability to control and play a puck possession game in the offensive zone. When the puck goes the other way and they are defending in their own zone, its usually a scramble and they always seem a step behind the play.

I see Hodgson having a similar career. At his peak, I predict that he will mostly have the puck in the offensive zone and rack up a lot of points (more than kassian or Shroeder) but when the puck is in his zone, he will struggle.

At the end of the day though, if he plays like Henrik or Daniel, that would mean that he's had a pretty solid career.
He may even be a finalist for the Hart trophy one day...

Now Shroeder and Kassian on the other hand, I like them on the Canucks because when they hit their peak, they will be useable in any situation. As much as I like Henrik and Daniel, I sometimes wish our superstars could be used for any clutch moments like PK, defending a lead, etc. As much as I love the Sedins, they have a tougher time in the playoffs because they are not strong on both ends of the ice.

In our stanley cup run, I have no doubt that if we had 2 more Ryan Keslers instead of the Sedins, we would have won the cup and I'm liking that Gillis recognized our need for better 2 way players and added Shroeder and Kassian to this year's team.

The trade helped both teams as Buffalo got a talented offensive centre and the Canucks added size, grit and a solid 2 way power forward.

Edited by badbeatjackpot, 08 February 2013 - 02:18 AM.

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:29 AM

Frazzy,

Buffalo has nearly twice the GAA as Vancouver does at this juncture: 41 vs. 23.
12 of 23 Buffalo skaters have a negative +/-,while four are flat (0 +/-).
16 of 23 Buffalo skaters are not registering a positive +/- .
Three Canucks are negative +/-.

Buffalo also has 35 goals for vs. Vancouver's 28.
Hodgson is all but a PPG player while Schroeder has 2 assists this season.
Hodgson's f/o stats are better going up against NHL #1's while Jordan faces third liners.

Buffalo's two goalies have 3.19 and 4.75 GAA.
Luo is 1.53 and Cory is 2.66 GAA.
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#232 Raoul Duke

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:30 AM

This place never ceases to amaze me. Everyone's a friggin expert.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:37 AM

Schroeder took the right approach in his first chance at an NHL job. He plays seamlessly in the defensive zone and has gained AV's trust.

Something Cody Hodgson, Sergei Shirokov and Michael Grabner were unable to accomplish.

The points will start flowing more consistently with time. Kassian, Schroeder and Tanev is just the beginning of our youth movement.

Gaunce, Jensen and Corrado are next.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:41 AM

I wonder if Schroeder would be a good fit on the 2nd line with Booth and Kesler? Since he's a play maker and has great speed.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:59 AM

I've really liked the development of Schroeder from the get go. He left college early, and was playing pro in the AHL at 19! From there, he demonstrated immediate success when being used in an offensive role ( 9 points in 11 games and 6 points in 6 playoff games to finish that season). He then was used more defensively to develop that side of his game, playing on the third line for Noel. Last season he was used primarily on the 2nd line, while seeing minutes in every situation. This current season he was forced behind Ebbett as the 2nd line centre on the Wolves, and as we can plainly see he was actually the better player.

So what I'm saying is that he's reliable, and he's done what the organization has asked from him in terms of developing his game. To my recollection, in the 8 games he's played so far there has yet to be a goal against while he's on the ice. I have no issue using him as a 3rd line centre going forward, and 2nd unit PP specialist. The points will come from Schroeder, and I'm convinced that if he were on the farm right now he'd be tearing it up as the 1C.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:54 AM

Frazzy,

Buffalo has nearly twice the GAA as Vancouver does at this juncture: 41 vs. 23.
12 of 23 Buffalo skaters have a negative +/-,while four are flat (0 +/-).
16 of 23 Buffalo skaters are not registering a positive +/- .
Three Canucks are negative +/-.

Buffalo also has 35 goals for vs. Vancouver's 28.
Hodgson is all but a PPG player while Schroeder has 2 assists this season.
Hodgson's f/o stats are better going up against NHL #1's while Jordan faces third liners.

Buffalo's two goalies have 3.19 and 4.75 GAA.
Luo is 1.53 and Cory is 2.66 GAA.


points arent eveyrthing though... Schroeder is as advertised... Defensive forwards are SO valuable
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:19 AM

points arent eveyrthing though... Schroeder is as advertised... Defensive forwards are SO valuable

Yes ,they are.
He does not kill any penalties for Vancouver,has a worse f/o % and plays exactly the same role Hodgson played here.
Jordan is not a defensive center but has good skating abilities on the back check.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:35 AM

I would imagine guys like Schredder & Kass are '90% guys' in the AHL. Meanng they probably stay outa' trouble,(hold back a bit), & don't want to risk injury, before they even make it to the show. These guys must fear concussions/knee troubles etc, keeping things mostly to the outside. Stay in control, playing fairly safe.

When they finally get their chance in the bigs, I bet they put out more pure effort than they ever realized is humanly possible.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:11 AM

Put Schroeder between Pominville and Vanek he'll get better results.

Bang on!
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:17 AM

Yes ,they are.
He does not kill any penalties for Vancouver,has a worse f/o % and plays exactly the same role Hodgson played here.
Jordan is not a defensive center but has good skating abilities on the back check.

Give him a year at least before dragging out stats and comparables, the kid has impressed me with his board work and driving to the net and playing in the greasy areas as well as his play in the d-zone.
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