Smashian Kassian Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Bieksa has hit 40+ points three times in his career. He is known to be a physical player, who can hit and fight. Leader, and liked by his team-mates. Although he has defensive lapses, hes proven to be able to play in a top pairing shut-down role (with Mitchell and Hamhuis) 4.6 is not bad at all. Comparables: Goligoski (4.6) Coburn (4.5) Komisarek (4.5) Hainsey (4.5) Kaberle (4.25) Volchenkov (4.25) Martin (5) Tyutin (4.5) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Hell I'd almost say moving Bieksa and Edler would be worth it if we were to get a TRUE #1 D-Man back in return. Hamhuis, I think, is by far our best D-Man we have, and I think he's close to being a true #1 D-Man, but he's not quite there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L'Orange Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Edler and Bieksa are. Both have been great, and both have been horrible. Making badecisions resulting turnovers and goals. Neither are the cornerstone that the Canucks need on defense. I say, if things continue this way, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Everybody is pretty much paid right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L'Orange Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 It's funny that people say Ballard is overpaid, even though he has been playing closer to his money than either Bieksa or Edler. They look lost out there. Bieksa especially. He has been a non factor defensively and his poor decisions with penalties have cost the Canucks. Edler's giveaway right in front of Schneider was horrible. Cory played a solid game, and he got beat on hard goals. These mistakes wreak of the playoffs. If they can't find some consistency this year, I would trade Edler and top 6 forward (Booth, Raymond, Higgins) and Schroeder for Shea Weber on July 1st. then Bieksa, Alberts, and either Gaunce or Mallet to Winnipeg for Evander Kane. Sedin - Sedin - Kane Burrows - Kesler - Kassian Hansen - Lapierre - Higgins Volpatti - Malholtra - Weise Weber - Garrison Ballard - Hamhuis Tanev - Vandermeer/Connauton/Corrado Barker Schneider Lack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckofSteel Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Not all defensemen are overpaid... Bieksa- Overpaid, I notice that Bieksa plays best hockey when it is a contract year. Outside of that he plays like average defensemen, his salary should have been 3.75 or 4 million. Edler- Not Overpaid, he is good defensemen and is still young. 5 million after this year is not bad, good deal for both sides. Hamhuis- Not Overpaid, he is worth every single cent. Good defensemen and helps Bieksa look better than he is. Garrison- Too soon to tell, he has only been a Canuck for a couple of games and we cannot say if he is overpaid or not yet. Ballard- Not Overpaid (at the moment), but last year he was. He would be very good if he was making under 4 million. Tanev- Not Overpaid, he makes less than 1 million and is very consistent. One of the most calm and dependable defenseman on Canucks roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 With the Salary Cap going down the amount it is, some of these players are definitely overpaid. Ballard is obvious, but we didn't offer him that money. Garrison and Bieksa are both overpaid, given a reduced cap. Same can be said about Booth, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 The problem is that the Canucks have SIX top-4 guys, meaning 2 of them will be under-utilized, with Ballard being the obvious one. The 3rd pairing usually contribute the least, hence it would seem like the Canucks are overpaying for them (relative for what they bring). While it may seem like a good idea to just have 2 minimal salary guys as your bottom pairing, it would be very taxing on your top-4, eg. 2010 Flyers when they had Ryan Parent and Lukas Krajicek as the #5/6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Pretty sure Hamhuis, Edler and maybe Garrison would've all gotten $6M+ on the open market... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kumquats Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 The Sedins are overpaid too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n00bxQb Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Canucks 8 D-Man Alex Edler- 5 Million Jason Garrison- 4.6 Million Kevin Bieska- 4.6 Million Dan Hamhuis- 4.5 Million Keith Ballard-4.2 Million Andrew Alberts-1,225,000 Million Chris Tanev- 900,000 Cam Barker- 700,000 (48 Games) Im Certain the Canucks pay there d man the most in the league. But Bieska, Ballard and maybe Garrison arent worth that much at all. Bieska is between a 2.5 to 3.5 million Ballard- 2 to 3 Million Garrison- 3 to 4 Million So is our D- Man Overpaid? Solution is to trade lu and ballard for a key 2nd line forward and prospects/Picks Lu and Ballard cap= is just over 9.5 Million in Cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedMachine Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Our problem with our defensive corps is the same it has been for the last several years. We have lots of depth, but no shutdown pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedMachine Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't think you're to get much argument on Ballard. He hasn't played very well since coming to Vancouver and everyone knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Alexander Cody Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 It's funny that people say Ballard is overpaid, even though he has been playing closer to his money than either Bieksa or Edler. They look lost out there. Bieksa especially. He has been a non factor defensively and his poor decisions with penalties have cost the Canucks. Edler's giveaway right in front of Schneider was horrible. Cory played a solid game, and he got beat on hard goals. These mistakes wreak of the playoffs. If they can't find some consistency this year, I would trade Edler and top 6 forward (Booth, Raymond, Higgins) and Schroeder for Shea Weber on July 1st. then Bieksa, Alberts, and either Gaunce or Mallet to Winnipeg for Evander Kane. Sedin - Sedin - Kane Burrows - Kesler - Kassian Hansen - Lapierre - Higgins Volpatti - Malholtra - Weise Weber - Garrison Ballard - Hamhuis Tanev - Vandermeer/Connauton/Corrado Barker Schneider Lack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Garrison just looks brutal. I don't think his style of play fits the nucks. I'd try him on the 2nd PP unit....but all his movement and not being where they(rest of the PP) expects him to be seems to make the whole first unit look messed up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Fruit Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 KB4 is our best D man now. He is paid fairly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 You would think that all not named Tanev wanted to be bakers with all the turnovers they were producing out there. So yes.............they are most definitely overpaid. Overpaid bakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Bieksa and Garrison are overpaid, but their UFA (or pending UFA) status game them leverage. Bieksa to me is worth 3.5 (lots of his point came off Sedins' play) Garrison 3-3.5 (unless he regroup and start playing like last year) Ballard is obviously overpaid. Ballard = bought out this summer with cap going down. The problem is we dont have a real #1 defenseman. We have 4 number 2-3 with Edler(2), Hamhuis(2), Bieksa(3), Garrison(3-4). Other teams pays their #1 D 6-7M, and their 4th 2-3M. While we pay all 4, 4-5M. Still i'd rather have a true #1 and less depth at #4-5 than what we have now, but those players dont come around often and are impossible to get, unless overpaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Im Certain the Canucks pay there d man the most in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuxFan09 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I don't think any of the Dmen besides Ballard are individually overpaid, but I do think Gillis might be overspending for the defense in general. Take away Ballard - I realize he IS playing well! - and the defense payroll looks a bit better. Even though they're not playing like it lately, guys, the Canucks have a stellar defense core and that's why they're all paid what they are. It's not like Gillis is handing out stupid contracts, although I'll maybe concede that Garrison isn't quite worth his dough...yet. Quite simply, the top 4 just needs to get their heads out of their asses and start playing the way they can. Don't make the mistake of thinking that at the moment Edler, Hamhuis and Bieksa are all playing to their absolute capabilities and as such aren't worth what they're being paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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