D-Money Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Got those handy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 2010-11 Playoffs Luongo's GAA was 2.56 (10th), Save% was .914 (9th) 2009-10 Playoffs 3.22 GAA (15th), .895 Save% (14th) 2008-09 Playoffs 2.52 GAA (6th), .914 Save% (9th) Considering there's only 16 teams in the playoffs, these stats are below average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Uhhh....he was 12th out of 25 (Schneider 14th) in 2011 with only .45 between him and 5th... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I didn't count the two goalies who hadn't started at least 2 games. And "only .45"? A half-goal difference in GAA is huge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Interesting, the year the Hawks won, Niemi's had a "below average" GAA of 2.63. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Penguins, Fleury had 2.61 the year they won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Yes - with Campbell on their 2nd pairing and Versteeg and Ladd on their 3rd line. Even then, they may not have won if Leighton/Boucher had kept up their insane goaltending from earlier in the playoffs. But they came back down to earth HARD, and completely crapped the bed in the finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derr12 Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I disagree. Schneider is the now, and Schneider is the future. Better technically, and the team seems more confident when he's in net. Trade Luongo for a top 6 center(if we can somehow) or more realistically for some size/grit/toughness for our bottom 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 So...you're agreeing then? That the Canucks issue isn't goal tending, that it's the supporting cast that makes a difference? Else why would you mention Campbell, Versteeg and Ladd? Don't get me wrong - I expected more then what Luongo delivered and my expectations are just as high (if not higher) for Schneider (as he is displacing Luongo so he better earn it). I just don't see how we could have won the last 2 playoff series with any goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 At this point im not really sure who's better. He's better positionally by a hair (lluongo's been real good in that dept since 2008/2009 offseason) Lluongo IMO has the faster glove but often gets had in breakaway/shootout situations because he moves first. Schneiders stickwork leaves a lot to be desired where as lluongo's is at least average if not better. As for confidence, it could be argued that the big body kassian has more to do with confidence as a whole. Team has been playing crap defence since late january last year. Doesnt matter who's in net, The real problem is in defencemen coaching. schneider get's undressed just as bad as lou when you give up a bjaillion 2 on 1's because of ill-advised pinching and turnovers. Both goalies have endured serious adversity due to this problem and IMO did better then they should have. FFS imagine where we would be right now if we had bryz from philly in net. 3/4 of the canuck nation would immigrate to Oilerville. Id say good riddens to the lot of you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 This goes back to what I said earlier about the irony of Luongo supporters, who say the problem is the rest of the team. The only way to build a team FULL of young superstars, like the 2008-09 Penguins or 2009-10 Blackhawks, is to do a complete rebuild, and tank HARD. Multiple years of bottom-feeding and top-5 picks. And even then, you have to have a little luck (Pittsburgh winning Crosby lottery, Chicago having depth picks like Keith and Buffy pan out so well). It doesn't always work (just ask Columbus and Florida). If there's any chance of Vancouver doing this in the near future, then the answer is still to trade Luongo - perhaps even trade Luongo AND Schneider. But of course, that is not going to happen. So we're forced to make a run with a more veteran-laden team, like Boston, Detroit, and Carolina (to an extent) did. What was the constant factor in their cup wins? They got the best goaltending. The only way to overcome average goaltending to win the cup seems to be having MULTIPLE star players, which is only possible if many are on cheap contracts (most often ELC's). If you don't have that, but are stuck with a team balanced by cap restrictions, you need the best goaltending you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelons Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 My point is that we have a lot of good players signed but unfortunately we can't keep them all.. the new CBA has changed things, and a luongo trade is unfortunately the best solution since his cap @6.7 mill next year is our biggest and we have Schneids and lack combined for cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Canucks 16th in Cullen's TSN Power Rankings - that's got to be the lowest in years...interesting stat now that Schneider is the starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCammer Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 For the 1000th time, Luongo's cap hit is $5.3 million for the rest of his contract. He is being PAID $6.7 million but his cap hit is much lower than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelons Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Why would anything change? We had morons talking about his 10 million and 8 million dollar years. The facts are at $5.3 Million he's a bargain as far as elite goalies goes. Well at least until last Spring when Alain mucked up the works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossy Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Get ???? real, there is NO CHANCE AT ALL this team trades Schneider and keeps Luongo. It's not even an argument any more to management and it is obvious. They are shopping one guy around and not even entertaining deals for the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Canucks scored 2 goals in the first two games against the Kings. That was enough to win games 3-5, with the goaltending Schneider was giving us. To win a series against a hot team with an elite goaltender, you need that kind of goaltending. 2 goals a game is not enough to win a series. Even if it somehow does, it's still a terrible strategy going in. And we certainly didn't have trouble scoring goals in the 3 series we played against the Chicago Blackhawks. But I don't have to re-hash how those series turned out. Speaking of the Hawks, they are now 6-0, and very much looking to be a contender in the West. If we face them in the playoffs, which goaltender would you feel more comfortable having in net? like I said, our offence has been fine until the sj series was over. And if we played Chicago, at this point, I'd be more comfortable with Lu in net. He's shown he can bail this team out when the offence disappears in the biggest game we've ever played against the Hawks. It doesn't matter how good a goalie plays in 3/7 games in a series, if he doesn't even give you A CHANCE to win the 4th game. This is just ridiculous. Did you even watch game 7? Don't use Lu as a scapegoat for that game. There's a reason why Schneider will get a better return. Everyone knows that, right now, he's a better goalie, not to mention cheaper, and with his whole career ahead of him. His stats last year put Luongo's to shame. They weren't even CLOSE! Age and potential are the only reasons. He has yet to prove that he is the better goalie. That last statement really shows that you eat up everything the media feeds you. Cory put Luongo to shame?? Words cannot describe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Yeah because his 29 games last season really proved he's better than a 2 time gold medal winner, 3 time Vezina nominee, Stanley Cup Finalist, Jennings winner, and someone who is on par with Roy's all-time stats, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Interesting post. I've been thinking lately about the top 5 goalies in the league and the top 3 are a slam dunk: Lundqvist, Quick and Rinne. Then I try to figure out who rounds out the top 5 by thinking about what other goalies have been the best and most consistent and I can't help but come back to Luongo. His stats the last 4 seasons: 2008/2009: 33-13-7, 2.34 GAA, .920 Save%, 9 shutouts 2009/2010: 40-22-4, 2.57 GAA, .913 Save%, 4 shutouts 2010/2011: 38-15-7, 2.11 GAA, .928 Save%, 4 shutouts (VEZINA NOMINATION) 2011/2012: 31-14-8, 2.41 GAA, .919 Save%, 5 shutouts What's my point? It's easy to forget while he's riding the pine that Luongo is still probably among the best goalies in the league. Other than the big 3 of Lundqvist, Rinne and Quick, what goalie has really been better than him during the last 3 or 4 seasons? I definitely think this team should be going with the younger goalie but I also make sure to give credit where credit is due and that is to Luongo for being one of the best goalies in the league, but just caught in an unfortunate, awkward situation. If the Canucks didn't have Cory Schneider, or even if they did but Schneider wasn't simply as good as he is, none of us would be having this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 The whole team falls off a cliff in the Play-offs. You can blame the whole team, or you can blame one guy. A lot of people blame Luongo, and rightfully so. The rest blame AV. And boy is that blame well placed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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