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#1 DonLever

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

Russian Duma backs law to ban ‘gay propaganda’



Russia’s Parliament backed a draft law banning ‘homosexual propaganda’ in what critics see as an attempt to shore up support for President Vladimir Putin in the country’s largely conservative society.

It is relying on the ignorance of people who think homosexuality is some sort of distortion

Only one deputy in the State Duma lower house voted against the bill, but passions spilled over outside the chamber, where 20 people were detained after scuffles between Russian Orthodox Christians and gay activists.
“We live in Russia, not Sodom and Gomorrah,” United Russia deputy Dmitry Sablin said before the 388-1 vote in the 450-seat chamber. Sablin said Russia is an old country “founded on its own traditional values – the protection of which is dearer to me than even oil and gas.”
Veteran human rights campaigner Lyudmila Alexeyeva des­cribed the draft law as “medieval” and said it was intended to appeal to conservative voters after months of protests that have sapped Putin’s popularity.
“It (the Duma) is relying on the ignorance of people who think homosexuality is some sort of distortion,” she said.
The legislation has served to deepen divisions in society since Putin returned to the presidency in May and began moves seen by the opposition as designed to crack down on dissent and smother civil society. Putin and his supporters have underlined what they see as conservative, traditional Russian values. He has drawn closer to the Russian Orthodox Church during this time, hoping the support of one of the most influential institutions in Russia will consolidate his grip on power.
Homosexuality, punished with jail terms in the Soviet Union, was decriminalised in Russia in 1993, but much of the gay community remains underground and prejudice runs deep.
The US, which is at odds with Putin over human rights issues, voiced concern about the measure.“We are deeply concerned by this draft legislation in Russia that severely restricts freedom of expression and assembly for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals – and indeed for all Russians,” State Department spokes­woman Victoria Nuland told reporters in Washington.
“We call on Russia as a signatory to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights to meet its obligations to protect its citizens’ rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of expression without discrimination,” she added
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:37 PM

It's unanimous then.

“We call on Russia as a signatory to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights to meet its obligations to protect its citizens’ rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of expression without discrimination,” she added

Does a little group known as Pu$$y Riot ironically come to mind?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

The gay agenda is another Western globalist tool which Russia doesn't wanto have used against them.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

The gay agenda is another Western globalist tool which Russia doesn't wanto have used against them.


Yeah!
Darn gays and their desire to be treated like human beings! :rolleyes:
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:09 PM

Hey, if you don't like it, move to Russia... Or, away from Russia in this case.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:54 PM


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:27 PM

Props to Putin and his government who, while far from perfect, seems to be doing good work in keeping some of the more nefarious Western influences at bay.

Also, top marks for retaining that anthem (changing only the lyrics) and not losing the recognition factor and grandiose vibe.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:57 PM

What Russia really needs is a finger wagging lecture from Shrill Hill to set them straight. Obama ought to fly her over there straight away to confront the Federal Assembly.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:51 AM

The gay agenda is another Western globalist tool which Russia doesn't wanto have used against them.

Props to Putin and his government who, while far from perfect, seems to be doing good work in keeping some of the more nefarious Western influences at bay.

Also, top marks for retaining that anthem (changing only the lyrics) and not losing the recognition factor and grandiose vibe.


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Equality shmality :picard:
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:55 AM

The gay agenda is another Western globalist tool which Russia doesn't wanto have used against them.


The Idiot agenda seems to be prevalent in all countries :sadno:
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:06 AM

Props to Putin and his government who, while far from perfect, seems to be doing good work in keeping some of the more nefarious Western influences at bay.

Also, top marks for retaining that anthem (changing only the lyrics) and not losing the recognition factor and grandiose vibe.



King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

I hope you realise that the authors were referring to your neighbours donkey

Edited by The Ratiocinator, 29 January 2013 - 07:06 AM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:18 PM

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Equality shmality :picard:


Exactly. Equality is a mathematical (abstract) concept. I’ve no explanation for its frequency of use in other domains except mass apeism.

True equality is found NOWHERE in nature; not among species, races, sexes, individuals, monozygotic twins, or even inanimate object greater than constituent particles. Equality before the law, though a worthy ideal, is also untenable. The best that can be hoped for is an approximation. In time almost everyone comes to understand that judicial outcomes are be affected by one’s wealth, station in life, proximity to power, etc.

Problems also arise, as is the case here, with dissagrements over definitions and what constitues a valid premise. In my mind (as well as the majority of Russians) there is no denial of ‘equality’ to gays or freedom of assembly to demand the same. It all goes back to marriage.

Contrary to popular belief the purpose of marriage is not to get your weekly, monthly, or whatever sex fix; to gain security or benefit financially, though that may be the practical result; but, rather, the point of the exercise is… wait for it… procreation. God/nature has ordained that our kind needs two sexes to tango, and, furthermore, their continued presence for good chunk of their childrens' lives makes for healthier and better adjusted individuals.

As far as I know gays in Russia are free to pursue any relationships, live with whomever, own establishments, share/discharge assets (via will), and be secure from persecution and assult like everyone else. The limit on demonstrations and desecration of places of worship is no different than the prohibitions on certain political parties in Western democracies.

As a firm believer in diversity I find no fault in the Duma member’s reasoning: Not every country needs to resemble Sodom and Gomorrah.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:28 PM

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

I hope you realise that the authors were referring to your neighbours donkey


Thy point?

My coveting is limited to wondering what it would be like to have leader with apparent unabashed respect for the founding majority of his nation and its collective will.

You've the wrong guy. Whether donkeys or asses, I no nothing of either.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:29 PM

Problems also arise, as is the case here, with dissagrements over definitions and what constitues a valid premise. In my mind (as well as the majority of Russians) there is no denial of ‘equality’ to gays or freedom of assembly to demand the same. It all goes back to marriage.

Contrary to popular belief the purpose of marriage is not to get your weekly, monthly, or whatever sex fix; to gain security or benefit financially, though that may be the practical result; but, rather, the point of the exercise is… wait for it… procreation. God/nature has ordained that our kind needs two sexes to tango, and, furthermore, their continued presence for good chunk of their childrens' lives makes for healthier and better adjusted individuals.


Because them getting married (a completely manmade phenomenon by the way) must affect your life so greatly :rolleyes:
Who cares, let them do what they want, it doesn't affect you. Live your own life.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:06 PM

And in other news.........CONGRATULATIONS GOMER!!!??


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:17 PM

And in other news.........CONGRATULATIONS GOMER!!!??


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Congratulations, Jim and Stan! 38 years strong and now 'officially' recognized as MARRIED by law!! ::D



Contrary to popular belief the purpose of marriage is not to get your weekly, monthly, or whatever sex fix; to gain security or benefit financially, though that may be the practical result; but, rather, the point of the exercise is… wait for it… procreation. God/nature has ordained that our kind needs two sexes to tango, and, furthermore, their continued presence for good chunk of their childrens' lives makes for healthier and better adjusted individuals.


As a firm believer in diversity I find no fault in the Duma member’s reasoning: Not every country needs to resemble Sodom and Gomorrah.


Wow..........just..........frickin' sadly wow. And here I thought it was 2013, not 1940.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:21 PM

I can agree that true equality doesnt exist; but...
Just because true equality doesn't exist... does that mean we shouldn't work to create it?

I mean peace doesnt exist either, but we ought to strive for it. <.<

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

Thy point?

My coveting is limited to wondering what it would be like to have leader with apparent unabashed respect for the founding majority of his nation and its collective will.

You've the wrong guy. Whether donkeys or asses, I no nothing of either.


Just because the majority of people suppport a thing , it does not necessarlily make that thing right .

And i would like you to provide some figures that back -up your insinuation that most americans want to deny Homosexuals the most basic of human rights
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:43 PM

I can agree that true equality doesnt exist; but...
Just because true equality doesn't exist... does that mean we shouldn't work to create it?

I mean peace doesnt exist either, but we ought to strive for it.
<.<


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:06 PM

I can agree that true equality doesnt exist; but...
Just because true equality doesn't exist... does that mean we shouldn't work to create it?

I mean peace doesnt exist either, but we ought to strive for it. <.<


Striving for equality before the law is fine but there are limits given man's nature, and I suspect we shall have to become ants to attain the sort of equality some here are aiming for. (If it happens, odds are good our queen will go by the title “Chairman.”)

Here the disagreement is even about that, since EQUAL is never part of the equation:
Man + Woman = progeny/future
M + M or W + W = ?

One is the foundation of every society the other is theatre. The formulation is invalid and raising it to a level of equal footing is a first (that I know of) in all of recorded history.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:08 PM

Striving for equality before the law is fine but there are limits given man's nature, and I suspect we shall have to become ants to attain the sort of equality some here are aiming for. (If it happens, odds are good our queen will go by the title “Chairman.”)

Here the disagreement is even about that, since EQUAL is never part of the equation:
Man + Woman = progeny/future
M + M or W + W = ?

One is the foundation of every society the other is theatre. The formulation is invalid and raising it to a level of equal footing is a first (that I know of) in all of recorded history.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

Striving for equality before the law is fine but there are limits given man's nature, and I suspect we shall have to become ants to attain the sort of equality some here are aiming for. (If it happens, odds are good our queen will go by the title “Chairman.”)

Here the disagreement is even about that, since EQUAL is never part of the equation:
Man + Woman = progeny/future
M + M or W + W = ?

One is the foundation of every society the other is theatre. The formulation is invalid and raising it to a level of equal footing is a first (that I know of) in all of recorded history.



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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:54 PM

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 02:57 PM

In Soviet Russia.....
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:33 PM

Striving for equality before the law is fine but there are limits given man's nature, and I suspect we shall have to become ants to attain the sort of equality some here are aiming for. (If it happens, odds are good our queen will go by the title “Chairman.”)

Here the disagreement is even about that, since EQUAL is never part of the equation:
Man + Woman = progeny/future
M + M or W + W = ?

One is the foundation of every society the other is theatre. The formulation is invalid and raising it to a level of equal footing is a first (that I know of) in all of recorded history.


Doesn't look like the world is in dire need of more human beings.

There are approx. 7 billion people in the world, an amount that can clearly not be supported by the Earth -- who's to blame? Those damn heterosexuals!

All jokes aside, why does there have to be a limit when it comes to "man's nature?"
What is that even supposed to mean? "Sorry, a bunch of us are too ignorant to accept that you were born gay so no rights for you!" ?

As you should already know, homosexuality has also been displayed in other animal species and it seems that when that happens, the "couple" aids in taking care of someone else's offspring. Yes, big surprise, we all have uses besides doing the dirty and making babies.

What is the big deal about having kids anyway? I fail to see the importance when there's so damn many of us.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:39 AM

When I was in the 3rd grade
I thought that I was gay
Cause I could draw, my uncle was
And I kept my room straight
I told my mom, tears rushing down my face
She's like, "Ben you've loved girls since before pre-K"
Trippin', yeah, I guess she had a point, didn't she
A bunch of stereotypes all in my head
I remember doing the math like"Yeah, I'm good a little league"
A pre-conceived idea of what it all mean
For those who like the same sex had the characteristics
The right-wing conservatives think it's a decision
And you can be cured with some treatment and religion
Man-made, rewiring of a pre-disposition
Playing God
Ahh nah, here we go
America the brave
Still fears, what, we don't know
And God loves all His children
Is somehow forgotten
But we paraphrase a book written
35 hundred years ago
I don't know

And I can't change
Even if I tried
Even if I wanted to
And I can't change
Even if I tried
Even if I wanted to
My love, my love, my love
She keeps me warm

If I was gay
I would think hip-hop hates me
Have you read the YouTube comments lately"Man that's gay"
Gets dropped on the daily
We've become so numb to what we're sayin'
Our culture founded from oppression
Yeah, we don't have acceptance for 'em
Call each other ????s
Behind the keys of a message board
A word routed in hateYet our genre still ignores it
Gay is synonymous with the lesser
It's the same hate that's caused wars from religion
Gender and skin colorComplexion of your pigment
The same fight that lead people to walk-outs and sit-ins
It's human rights for everybody
There is no differenceLive on!
And be yourself!
When I was in church
They taught me something elseIf you preach hate at the service
Those words aren't anointed
And that Holy Water
That you soak inIs then poisoned
When everyone elseIs more comfortable
Remaining voiceless
Rather than fighting for humans
That have had their rights stolen
I might not be the same
But that's not important
No freedom 'til we're equal
Damn right I support it
I don't know

And I can't change
Even if I tried
Even if I wanted to
And I can't change
Even if I tried
Even if I wanted toMy love, my love, my
loveShe keeps me warm

We press play
Don't press pause
Progress, march on!
With a veil over our eyes
We turn our back on the cause'
Till the day
That my uncles can be united by law
Kids are walkin' around the hallway
Plagued by pain in their hear
tA world so hateful
Someone would rather die
Than be who they are
And a certificate on paper
Isn't gonna solve it all
But it's a damn good place to start
No law's gonna change us
We have to change us
Whatever god you believe in
We come from the same one
Strip away the fear
Underneath it's all the same love
About time that we raised up

Macklemore

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