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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:54 PM

Welfare lottery ban: N.C. lawmakers discuss prohibition for welfare recipients, the bankrupt

Rep. Paul 'Skip' Stam (R-Wake) said the measure is among several targeting the N.C. Education Lottery that may come up during the legislative session.

By Associated Press / January 25, 2013

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RALEIGH, N.C.

North Carolina lawmakers are discussing a draft proposal that would prohibit sales of lottery tickets to people who receive public assistance or who are in bankruptcy.

The Insider reports that Rep. Paul "Skip" Stam, R-Wake, said the measure is among several targeting the N.C. Education Lottery that may come up during the legislative session.

"We're giving them welfare to help them live, and yet by selling them a ticket, we're taking away their money that is there to provide them the barest of necessities," Stam said.

Stam it would be difficult for store clerks to know which players get help. But Stam suggested that in obvious cases, such as when customers pay for groceries with food stamps, they shouldn't be allowed to buy lottery tickets at the same time.

Another proposal would remove the word "Education" from the N.C. Education Lottery for advertising purposes. Stam said the word "education" shouldn't be used to sell "something that is essentially a scam," especially because lottery proceeds account for a small percentage of state education funding.

"It's just inappropriate to take what is a very important function of state government ... and use that as a selling point, when obviously the more educated you are, the less likely you are to play the lottery," he said.

Stam said he believes many lottery ads are deceptive because they don't state the probabilities of winning particular prize amounts. The lottery advertises large cash payouts, he said, but the actual prizes are smaller after taxes and other deductions. The fact that the lottery doesn't give the actual values of prizes when advertising larger amounts is "just fraudulent," he said.

Alice Garland, executive director of the lottery, said last week that she believed taking "Education" out of the title would cut into lottery sales.

Lottery spokesman Van Denton said officials haven't fully reviewed all of the legislative proposals to gauge the impacts, but he did say the lottery tries to keep up with best practices in the industry, he said.

"We work hard to make sure players have the information they need to play the lottery ... and to make good choices about how to spend their money," Denton said.

Although the odds of winning each different prize amount aren't listed on each ticket, they are available on the lottery website and in the lottery "play centers" at retail locations. The lottery also publishes on its website the number of prizes remaining at all prize levels in scratch-off games.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:06 PM

Okaaayy, so only the rich are allowed a chance at more money?
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:26 PM

I agree with this concept, they shouldn't be able to use food stamps to purchase lottery tickets. It's for necessity, not gambling.

That's really the only way this is even enforceable, and easily at that. I can't see a business asking people for their 1040EZ's before being able to buy a $1-$5 lottery ticket.

Even though most reactionaries won't bother, people of logic should consider the article as a whole, I suspect many will predictably respond to the title and completely miss the (important) details.

Edited by zaibatsu, 28 January 2013 - 07:29 PM.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

Okaaayy, so only the rich are allowed a chance at more money?


Since when did playing the lottery = more money? And since when is anyone who is not on welfare or bankrupt classified as "rich"?

Last time I check 99.99999% of people who play the lottery end up with less money.

This isn't a bad idea, but I have a feeling the public will hate it.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:36 PM

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Hard working peoples tax dollars go to support welfare. Considering they are using peoples tax dollars to gamble, I love the idea. Now if only they would also ban them from buying alcohol and tobacco and also require them to pass drug tests.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:05 PM

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Hard working peoples tax dollars go to support welfare. Considering they are using peoples tax dollars to gamble, I love the idea. Now if only they would also ban them from buying alcohol and tobacco and also require them to pass drug tests.

Then what. They can only buy no name brand foods? Tins without labels? Dollar store shopping only? Life sucks for a lot of people and you want to take away one stupid lottery ticket that "might" get them out of the present hell they find themselves in. Dare to dream, or, in your case, dare to be a dictator.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:28 PM

This is the same sort of a come down on welfare recipient legislative proposal that wack-a-doodle Tennessee Republican Stacy Campfield has floated along with his other wacky proposals.
http://forum.canucks...acey-campfield/

In that case Campfield says you can play but winnings go to the state.


Not lottery tickets, and certainly not drugs...that's what Senator Tim Burchett and Representative Stacey Campfield are saying.


"If you're too poor to pay for food... basic, bare necessities, then you're not eligible to win grand jackpot prizes," Campfield says.


House Bill 981 says any person collecting government assistance is not entitled to collect lottery winnings.


"You shouldn't be spending your money in lottery tickets expecting that to help pay your bills," Campfield continues.

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Now, any prize over $600 has to be mailed into the state... under 981, it would be checked against a database of people on government assistance... and if you're on the list, you aren't eligible for the prize.


http://www.local8now...es/6095601.html
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:29 PM

Don't let them buy cigarettes and alcohol while you're at it.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:31 PM

Hard working peoples tax dollars go to support welfare. Considering they are using peoples tax dollars to gamble, I love the idea. Now if only they would also ban them from buying alcohol and tobacco and also require them to pass drug tests.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:10 AM

It is pathetic down here, really...you'll see these run down neighborhooods, the ghettos, the trailer parks...and these families are all on Welfare, all on "disability"....you've got the bums and drunkies up around the service stations where these tickets are being sold...and they aren't begging you to buy them beer anymore...they're begging you to buy them lottery tickets. There was a woman not a month ago in Cabarrus County was arrested because Child Services investigated her...found out that she was on welfare...then came to find out the money she was getting...maybe 10% of it was going to feed her children...kids looked like they hadn't had a decent meal in a long time....they said the house was a mess inside, grime and roaches and just squalid....this woman had spent...$230 of what she was given through Welfare on Lottery Tickets. I was one of a small minority of citizens of ths state who voted AGAINST the NC Education Lottery...for precisely this reasoning. People will take food off of their own tables for a snowball's chance in hell of winning the Powerball jackpot. Christ on sale.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:02 PM

I think this is stupid. Dont they have bigger problems down there than who is winning lotteries. There will always be some people that will abuse any system. You can't tell someone what to spend their money on, it will never work. If people kids are suffering out there then focus on finding those people and taking the kids away. Don't take away the ability to buy lottery tickets and think those kids are going to be fed well and brought up proper now. Momma will probably head straight to the casino and spend even more.

obviously some people are going to go overboard and spend too much but i think away taking away all of their rights to buy one is stupid. I could care less if my tax dollars buy a poor woman on disability a $2 ticket of hope for a better life each week.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:06 PM

I think this is stupid. Dont they have bigger problems down there than who is winning lotteries. There will always be some people that will abuse any system. You can't tell someone what to spend their money on, it will never work. If people kids are suffering out there then focus on finding those people and taking the kids away. Don't take away the ability to buy lottery tickets and think those kids are going to be fed well and brought up proper now. Momma will probably head straight to the casino and spend even more.

obviously some people are going to go overboard and spend too much but i think away taking away all of their rights to buy one is stupid. I could care less if my tax dollars buy a poor woman on disability a $2 ticket of hope for a better life each week.

It is part and parcel of the Republican agenda. If you are on welfare it is your fault and we are damn well going to make sure you know it.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:07 PM

I think this is stupid. Dont they have bigger problems down there than who is winning lotteries. There will always be some people that will abuse any system. You can't tell someone what to spend their money on, it will never work. If people kids are suffering out there then focus on finding those people and taking the kids away. Don't take away the ability to buy lottery tickets and think those kids are going to be fed well and brought up proper now. Momma will probably head straight to the casino and spend even more.

obviously some people are going to go overboard and spend too much but i think away taking away all of their rights to buy one is stupid. I could care less if my tax dollars buy a poor woman on disability a $2 ticket of hope for a better life each week.


There is exactly one casino in this state and it's on the Cherokee reservation in the mountains. I'd be more concerned with them buying meth with it than gambling at a casino, meth being so much more readily available. Biggest problem in this state is unemployment and has been for a few years...these kinds of things seem to be nothing more than red herrings to keep our dimwitted population...the majority of them..preoccupied so they don't notice they don't have a god damned job.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:15 PM

When Nanny States Attack!!!

Unless you interrogate everyone who wishes to purchase a ticket, you can not refuse someone who you willingly sold a legal ticket to.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:33 PM

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Lottery = Extra Tax for those bad at math!
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:59 PM

When Nanny States Attack!!!

Unless you interrogate everyone who wishes to purchase a ticket, you can not refuse someone who you willingly sold a legal ticket to.

It depends upon the law.

In Tennessee the proposed requirement is that any winnings over $600 are paid first to the state who then consults a database of welfare recipients and if the name appears there then the money is forfeit to the state and if not the person is then paid out. Seems that system would cost tax payers way more to operate than any potential savings.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:18 PM

Then what. They can only buy no name brand foods? Tins without labels? Dollar store shopping only? Life sucks for a lot of people and you want to take away one stupid lottery ticket that "might" get them out of the present hell they find themselves in. Dare to dream, or, in your case, dare to be a dictator.


This is impeccable logic. :rolleyes:
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:26 PM

It depends upon the law.

In Tennessee the proposed requirement is that any winnings over $600 are paid first to the state who then consults a database of welfare recipients and if the name appears there then the money is forfeit to the state and if not the person is then paid out. Seems that system would cost tax payers way more to operate than any potential savings.

I don't see this being about saving the taxpayer as much as it's about saving the poor from themselves. True, lotteries are the stupid mans tax. But where do you draw the line. People can get into trouble online with gambling and get rich quick schemes that can convince you to sell everything you earn to join up and buy their programs if that's what you need to do. You can't control a select portion of the populations actions and it's reprehensible to even suggest. There are plenty of people that work that can not afford to gamble ie the working poor. If they want to go that route they need to qualify everyone as to their income and expenses to determine if they have adequate disposable income. If they go ahead with this, can that scenario be far behind? If they are so concerned they should simply ban lottos...oh wait, even govenments are not immune to gambling addiction.
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