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#31 Apricot

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:59 PM

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:59 PM

Somehow people will find every stupid reason to pull Luongo.

Hey, Sedins didn't show up tonight for the game, lets pull Luongo!!
Garrison was half drunk tonight, lets pull Luongo!!
Burrows fell asleep during his shootout, lets pull Luongo!!
It is going to be raining tomorrow in Vancouver, lets pull Luongo. (shaking my head)
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:59 PM

Notice how everyone's attacking me - and saying that Luongo played OK tonight (and completely ignoring the fact that I wasn't speaking about tonight, but about his entire shootout career)?
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:41 PM by BloodyCanuckleheads

I could definitely see Grabner going. He seems to have done his best to play his way out the door (and Gillis seems to be the smartest GM we've ever had, so, put two and two together)...

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:59 PM

You guys ALL seem to be forgetting that Luongo is a career LOSER in shootouts. And, not even close to 500. He's terrible. So, it doesn't matter if he stopped 2 of 3 tonight (the other goalie stopped 3 of 3). And, it doesn't matter if our shooters are sub-par (AV is picking guys like Edler to shoot in the top-3, not forwards who can score on breakaways). We are a top team, we are a top-scoring team, but we lose in shootouts - badly. And, it's (for the most part) because of the guy in net...


And your point is what?

Did you see our shot attempts? They were pretty pathetic. I guess it's never on the shooter to actually score a goal in the S/O is what I'm inferring from your logic.

If a single skater of ours can't score a goal in the S/O then how is the blame put on the goalie when he makes 2/3.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:59 PM

you must be kidding me, Luongo did very well today , if we are watching the same game , i think you should be bashing AV for sitting on the lead in the 3rd? and putting Edler in shootout even though he isn't hot in shootout anymore.

AV is just in love of giving up the free point , been a few years now and he still haven't put the team to practice some shootout
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:00 AM

No, it was 1 goal for LA - vs. no goals for us tonight. You could say Luongo put us in a position to TIE, but not to win.


The forwards scored nothing. They put Luongo in a position to lose.

You have no intelligence. Go somewhere else.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

That may have been the dumbest thing I've read in a while. You can't win games if players don't score. Sure, Luongo tends to be a bit of a flopper, but he was tonights best player and looked good in the shootout. It's tough to win if you can't score goals.

Speaking of goals, Burrows needs to start taking the shootouts more seriously. He has one move and he traded for something that made him look like a fool. One could say he even cost us the game with that horrid move. I hope AV slaps some sense into him.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

these types of threads should be locked right away and result it in a permanent ban for stupidity
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

Why on Earth isn't AV pulling Lu for the shoot-outs? Luongo isn't just bad in shoot-outs - he's absolutely terrible. Just horrible.


Yes, because clearly all our shooters scored today and it's all because of Luongo that we lost. Oh wait...

I forgot, it's called a shootout - meaning we have to put the PUCK BEHIND THE NET.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

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CAREER SHOOTOUT SAVE PERCENTAGES
Luongo .662
Schneider .632

So, what you are saying OP is, go with the guy with a lower save pct?
Oddly, that sounds like a Vigneault gameplan...but oddly, he doesnt do it.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

You guys ALL seem to be forgetting that Luongo is a career LOSER in shootouts. And, not even close to 500. He's terrible. So, it doesn't matter if he stopped 2 of 3 tonight (the other goalie stopped 3 of 3). And, it doesn't matter if our shooters are sub-par (AV is picking guys like Edler to shoot in the top-3, not forwards who can score on breakaways). We are a top team, we are a top-scoring team, but we lose in shootouts - badly. And, it's (for the most part) because of the guy in net...



Smaller sample size, so don't take too much from this, but Schneider career save percentage in Shootout is .632. Luongo is .662.

http://www.nhl.com/i...utGamesWon&pg=1

Neither average is stellar, neither is terrible.

The problem with the Shootout has long been the shooters, not the goalies.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

No, it was 1 goal for LA - vs. no goals for us tonight. You could say Luongo put us in a position to TIE, but not to win.


Yes but Luongo saved the first two shots and if our players even scored one of our first two shots then kassian would have had the chance to win it. There is no way you can blame Luongo for that shootout loss
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:03 AM

Made 2 great stops and Carters goal would have been scored on any goalie 90% of the time. Give your head a shake.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:04 AM

CAREER SHOOTOUT SAVE PERCENTAGES
Luongo .662
Schneider .632

So, what you are saying OP is, go with the guy with a lower save pct?
Oddly, that sounds like a Vigneault gameplan...but oddly, he doesnt do it.


Doh beat me to it!
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:05 AM

This has been bugging me for literally years now...

Why on Earth isn't AV pulling Lu for the shoot-outs? Luongo isn't just bad in shoot-outs - he's absolutely terrible. Just horrible. If the Canucks are in a tight game - and it goes to a shootout with Luongo in net - you can bet we lose. Virtually every single time. It's not even close. He can't stop shootout shooters. Like, at all. Ever.

So, even though Schneider would be cold - wouldn't we be better off pulling Lu after overtime - and bringing Schneider, just for the shootout?

We've been the best team in the NHL for years now - yet one of the worst at the shootout. Even with an ice-cold goalie, fresh off the bench, we've gotta have a better shot at winning than sticking with Luongo, don'tcha think?


Yeah...cause when your team FAILS to score even once it's the goalies fault.

We ARE NOT the best team in the NHL.
We have been EXTREMELY lucky in the regular season.

This season is different.
This season, almost every game is like a playoff game.
EVERY POINT COUNTS. Get it?

So no, it would NOT be better to pull your goalie for a shootout - that just blows his confidence.

I'm glad you are NOT the coach.
I'm sad you're a fan of the Canucks.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:09 AM

Notice how everyone's attacking me - and saying that Luongo played OK tonight (and completely ignoring the fact that I wasn't speaking about tonight, but about his entire shootout career)?


He has better career spct in the shootout than these guys.
Brian Elliott, Miikka Kiprusoff, JS Giguere, Craig Anderson, Tuukka Rask, Mike Smith, Evgeni nabokov, Ilya Bryzgalov, Nikolai Khabibulin, Cam Ward, Niklas Backstrom & Ondrej Pavelec

Sure, there are lots with better stats than him as well... but he COULD be worse. Of the options we currently have, he is statistically the best.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:10 AM

That's a slap in the face for luongo. How stupid would that look.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:15 AM

Luongo was great in the shootout, stopped 2 great dekes by 2 very skilled hockey players. He's clearly been practicing.

Our shooters on the otherhand have always been pathetic. AV needs to stop going to his "go-to" guys like Burrows and Edler because they're anything but that - any other skater has the same chance of scoring as they do. I say he just shuffles his scorers and goes with a random player.

For example, Raymond - Higgins - Kassian one night, Hansen - Burrows - Malhotra another. Heck throw Garrison in there to just slap the puck at the net, we have a better chance of scoring off his shot than Burrows doing his stupid predictable backhand deke.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:17 AM

dude u have to be on drugssss seriously!!! (so called fans) like u should go cheer for another team. luongo is to blame for everything common when are u guys going to learn! he played unbelievable tonight, in fact if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have been in the shootout and why pull him in the shootout when we can even register a single goal. just reminds me of the old days when fans just like u were blaming luongo for us not winning a cup. might I remind u that louie had 2 shutouts and in game 7 we DIDNT SCORE!!! GROW UP BUDDY, u should criticize urself for being a terrible fan. u suck as a fan!
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:19 AM

Roberto Luongo - career shootout record: 29 wins, 35 losses (0.45).

Canucks record with Luongo on the team (291 wins in 497 games, with 51 bonus points, for a total of 0.64)

0.64 is a hell of a lot better than 0.45...
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:41 PM by BloodyCanuckleheads

I could definitely see Grabner going. He seems to have done his best to play his way out the door (and Gillis seems to be the smartest GM we've ever had, so, put two and two together)...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:22 AM

We could have Schnieder, Luongo, Lack all in net at the same time, we won't win if we don't score.

All attempts on Quick by our shooters were a joke, easy shootout for Quick.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:24 AM

Pull AV for the shootout, let Brown or Bowness pick the shooters....
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:30 AM

This has been bugging me for literally years now...

Why on Earth isn't AV pulling Lu for the shoot-outs? Luongo isn't just bad in shoot-outs - he's absolutely terrible. Just horrible. If the Canucks are in a tight game - and it goes to a shootout with Luongo in net - you can bet we lose. Virtually every single time. It's not even close. He can't stop shootout shooters. Like, at all. Ever.

So, even though Schneider would be cold - wouldn't we be better off pulling Lu after overtime - and bringing Schneider, just for the shootout?

We've been the best team in the NHL for years now - yet one of the worst at the shootout. Even with an ice-cold goalie, fresh off the bench, we've gotta have a better shot at winning than sticking with Luongo, don'tcha think?


Don't mean to burst your bubble but Luongo has a better sv% in shootouts than Schneider...
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:32 AM

I don't care if this gets me permabanned. OP shoot yourself in the head you tool


People said the same thing about me when I was about the only person on this board saying that Nonis was incompetent and should be fired (right before he was fired, I started the 100+ page thread about it, where about 99% of people here were pro-Nonis) - and when I said Alex Burrows was going to be an offensive star one day (during his second season, when he didn't even score 10 points). Plus, just look at my signature, I was proven right there (and virtually everyont here wrong) as well... I have a long history of being right (in the face of massive opposition from CDC), so forgive me if I ignore you insult...
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:41 PM by BloodyCanuckleheads

I could definitely see Grabner going. He seems to have done his best to play his way out the door (and Gillis seems to be the smartest GM we've ever had, so, put two and two together)...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:33 AM

Notice how everyone's attacking me - and saying that Luongo played OK tonight (and completely ignoring the fact that I wasn't speaking about tonight, but about his entire shootout career)?


Who the frack cares about his entire career shootout. Its about the now, and his performance tonight. He did really good tonight and you make this pathetic thread to bash him because you couldn't pick him apart tonight. GTFO
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:35 AM

People said the same thing about me when I was about the only person on this board saying that Nonis was incompetent and should be fired (right before he was fired, I started the 100+ page thread about it, where about 99% of people here were pro-Nonis) - and when I said Alex Burrows was going to be an offensive star one day (during his second season, when he didn't even score 10 points). Plus, just look at my signature, I was proven right there (and virtually everyont here wrong) as well... I have a long history of being right (in the face of massive opposition from CDC), so forgive me if I ignore you insult...

you stated that Luongo is the problem in shootouts, when in the two shootouts for Lou this season, the Canucks shooters have been 0/5, and Lou 2/5 on the saves, so pull Luongo? You want him to stop 5+ s/o attempts in a row, is that it, idiot?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:39 AM

Pull AV for the shootout, let Brown or Bowness pick the shooters....

........Slightly out on left field but,couldn't they some how poll the fans who to put in the shootout.
the fans picks couldn't be any worse than AV's selections or lack thereof.

Edited by fagin, 29 January 2013 - 12:45 AM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:39 AM

the Canucks shooters have been 0-5, and Lou 2/4 on the saves


O for 5 isn't that bad in shootouts (it's not that great, but it's not the end of the word either). 2 for 4 means you've lost two games (vs 0/5 shooting) and won none...
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:41 PM by BloodyCanuckleheads

I could definitely see Grabner going. He seems to have done his best to play his way out the door (and Gillis seems to be the smartest GM we've ever had, so, put two and two together)...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:43 AM

Luongo usually sucks in SO, but not tonight.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:44 AM

Also, notice how multiple people here have said Luongo's career shootout save percentage is a lot higher than the link they provide says it is?
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:41 PM by BloodyCanuckleheads

I could definitely see Grabner going. He seems to have done his best to play his way out the door (and Gillis seems to be the smartest GM we've ever had, so, put two and two together)...




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