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#91 Raffi Torres's Smirk

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:08 PM

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Then there's Booth... well, you could blame his shortcomings on injuries... but what moron plays Booth with Kesler without telling Kesler to PASS once in a while? And even if coach V DID try to get Kesler to pass, why didn't KESLER get benched for being disobedient? The players run the show here, and that's NOT cool. Kesler was injured anyways, but coach V rode him like a mule. Are you KIDDING me?

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AV has run Linden, Naslund, Hodgson, among others out of town. Is it not time to run him out of town?


Interesting take on AV's tenure, and I'd have to say I agree with you. Why does Kesler get away with diving in the playoffs? Why does he not encourage his players to hit more against the team that embarrassed them in the playoffs last year? Why split up lines while they are on a hot streak (referring to the end of last season). Qu'est-ce que fudge AV?


Move him away from Edler and he'll do much better but really he hasn't looked bad at all. No worse than the rest of the D on any given night.

Edler doesn't even know he has a defensive partner anyways and when he figures it out he seems so shocked that he lays an awful pass to him.

Give Edler somebody who's not expected to score at all. Putting an offensive asset beside him is a bit of a waste.


I know, right? I think with the way Tanev has been playing he would make a great fit. Tanev with Edler, Ballard and Garrison? I like that more than the D changeup we saw last night.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

Let's be honest here guys, so far Garrison has been pretty average, ad nothing close to what I thought. SO FAR. Will that change? Hopefully.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:30 PM

I read your first post and just like this one you are basically calling him a flop after 6 games so once again, nice job :picard: and ignorance is thinking you can judge a player after 6 games , then go on in believing you could coach the player better than Boness and AV. Garrison is playing no better or worse than who he is paired with or on the ice with.
You can not go through all your terrible analysis and fail to come to the conclusion that a new player needs the team around him to be doing well before he can show what he is capable of.
Another thing in your first post you compare or categorize Garrison, after 6 games, to players who have been there for more than a year :picard:


I say that Garrison's inability to acclimatize is a result of him not keeping his game simple. Yea, six games in, sure, whatever. My point is that this is a trend we have seen from that VERY list of players I "compared" him to. The problem with your comprehension of my point here is that you fail to see WHAT I was comparing. The only comparison I actually made was that Garrison was a newly acquired player, just like the above players. That is it.

I was saying that Garrison, among others, aren't fitting with the system. Sure, perhaps I'm jumping the gun here, but that is a result of a common trend I am seeing, so my judgement is well placed.

The point I was making is that this is a result of a "system" (and by that, I mean coach V) that is not flexible, even though the [actual] system this team plays, as well as the team itself, is VERY flexible. There is NO reason for these players to take so long to show chemistry.

The amount of time Booth spent on this team, and never developed ANY chemistry with Kesler is an embarrassment. Whether the problem here is the "system", the system, or the failure for coach V to simple NOT play them together... it all falls on AV's shoulders.

To conclude, I have every right to be worried about Garrison. And no, I'm not blaming Garrison (unless it turns out to be a JBo situation... which I kinda doubt)

And before you respond to another one of my posts, READ IT FIRST. Don't jump to your prepubescent conclusions after reading the first sentence of my posts anymore.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

You gotta be patient with D men, the offense isnt there but he has not been a liability..
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:42 PM

Defensively Garrison hasn't been too bad, Edler has been much worse.
Offensively can easily be improved by splitting Edler and Garrison on the Powerplays. Once Kesler gets back I'd like to see this on the power play...
Sedin Sedin Kassian
Edler Kesler
____ Schroeder ____
Garriosn Ballard
With the second units primary goal of setting up Garrison. This also leaves Hamhuis and Bieksa to concentrate on Defense. Until Keslers return just plug someone into the other point position.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:44 PM

He was never worth that contract In The first place IMO he's a good 5th defenceman with obviously the ability to play top four. But as usual CDC over hypes every player to put a canucks sweater on no matter who it is. Look at garrisons stats from last year it clearly shows teams adapted to his bomb of a shot which was clearly evident when he scored like 2 goals from the second half of the season last year.

I really hope he can get down the defensive system so he can at least be that solid defenceman we knew were going to get but it's wishful thinking that garrison puts up 8 goals in the short season. Remove him from playing with edler and keep him with hammer to cover him if he want to play more O.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:06 PM

He's been terrible. He will be this years new whipping boy unless he changes his game quickly.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:15 PM

He has been ok.

I suspect he is still recovering from surgery. His skating seems off.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:15 PM

Garrison - do we really want him?

I agree. It has been 5, 6 games now, the "new team" excuse is over. He proves so far that he is a one year wonder....lucky him..hit the jack pot.

That's right, we should put in Barker and utilize all his dominating toughness. :picard: :sadno:
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:16 PM

The guy has been traded from another team and has only played 6 games. Give him time. He has an excuse. Edler on the other hand...........
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:20 PM

The amount of time Booth spent on this team, and never developed ANY chemistry with Kesler is an embarrassment.


You make it sound like they've had a couple of years to figure it out.

Truth is, Booth's first game in Vancouver was October 25th (which was Kesler's 4th game played after returning from his injury). Just when Booth and Kes started looking like they were gelling (DB had 3 goals and 2 assists in 5 games), then Booth was hurt December 6th.

Then Booth came back Jan. 15th, and him and Kesler looked fairly solid again for a month (12 games: DB - 6G, 4A; RK - 6G, 3A)...but for whatever reason, they both completely dried up. So I look at it more as a late-season dry spell, rather than some sort of permanent incompatibility.

That said, I think a playmaking winger (Tanguay?) would compliment those two greatly.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:24 PM

Garrison has fallen nearly giving up breakaways, failed to keep the puck in on PPs, and passed the puck right onto the tape of the opponent in the defensive zone.

I am disappoint.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:24 PM

Perhaps Garrison is coming to the realization that Alex Edler is not Brian Campbell.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

I say that Garrison's inability to acclimatize is a result of him not keeping his game simple. Yea, six games in, sure, whatever. My point is that this is a trend we have seen from that VERY list of players I "compared" him to. The problem with your comprehension of my point here is that you fail to see WHAT I was comparing. The only comparison I actually made was that Garrison was a newly acquired player, just like the above players. That is it.

I was saying that Garrison, among others, aren't fitting with the system. Sure, perhaps I'm jumping the gun here, but that is a result of a common trend I am seeing, so my judgement is well placed.

The point I was making is that this is a result of a "system" (and by that, I mean coach V) that is not flexible, even though the [actual] system this team plays, as well as the team itself, is VERY flexible. There is NO reason for these players to take so long to show chemistry.

The amount of time Booth spent on this team, and never developed ANY chemistry with Kesler is an embarrassment. Whether the problem here is the "system", the system, or the failure for coach V to simple NOT play them together... it all falls on AV's shoulders.

To conclude, I have every right to be worried about Garrison. And no, I'm not blaming Garrison (unless it turns out to be a JBo situation... which I kinda doubt)

And before you respond to another one of my posts, READ IT FIRST. Don't jump to your prepubescent conclusions after reading the first sentence of my posts anymore.

My comprehension is not the problem the way you tried to explain your point is. I agree that Kesler and Booth should not play together and only AV knows why he keeps pushing the issue. Booth situation and Garrisons situation are not comparable except the fact they come from Florida. Perpudescent :lol: and you're the one writting insults.
Worry about a player after 6 games :lol: you must have been pulling your hair out , with the start the twins had when they first came into the NHL.

Edited by Vancanwincup, 29 January 2013 - 03:38 PM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

Question: When Garrison played with Campbell, wasn't he the Right sided D? Now that he's with Edler, he's gone to the left sided D, even though Edler is best on the left side?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

Question: When Garrison played with Campbell, wasn't he the Right sided D? Now that he's with Edler, he's gone to the left sided D, even though Edler is best on the left side?


He only played right side on the Power Play I'm pretty sure.

It seems like everyone we get from Florida doesn't play well with our team, except Luongo.

Ballard is finally picking it up, let's hope it doesn't take a few seasons for Booth and Garrison to start playing to their potential also.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:50 PM

I'm definitely willing to give garry(the nickname ive given him lol) more time to gel with his new teammates.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:57 PM

It's sad to see a guy's home province turn on him so quickly. He is'nt as bad as people are making him out to be and I think he'll get better with time. Were people expecting him to be the next Lidstrom or something?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

I'm definitely willing to give garry(the nickname ive given him lol) more time to gel with his new teammates.


That's not Gary - that's his son!
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:58 PM

He has been ok.

I suspect he is still recovering from surgery. His skating seems off.


That is something being overlooked. What was his injury?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:20 PM

seems inflammatory

Edited by goal-ghost, 29 January 2013 - 05:21 PM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:38 PM

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

That is something being overlooked. What was his injury?


groin I think
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:04 PM

My comprehension is not the problem the way you tried to explain your point is. I agree that Kesler and Booth should not play together and only AV knows why he keeps pushing the issue. Booth situation and Garrisons situation are not comparable except the fact they come from Florida. Perpudescent :lol: and you're the one writting insults.
Worry about a player after 6 games :lol: you must have been pulling your hair out , with the start the twins had when they first came into the NHL.


Aside from your english skills reinforcing my quarrel with your comprehensive abilities, you're still failing to grasp the point I'm trying to make. You also (not sure if intentionally,,,,) misinterpret things I say. I didn't say "Garrison is a flop". I said he's been playing like one. THEN, I carried on to attribute his play to his acclimatization, which has been a pressing issue. This system is very simple and flexible. Why are these players not fitting in? Because the coach isn't fitting them in. High profile acquisitions aren't something to play around with; it is the coach's job to do everything necessary to utilize that player in the way that is best for the TEAM, NOT the coach's ego.

This is why I say I WORRY about Garrison's start, as I should. I am NOT saying he has no potential here. I am not hitting the panic button on Garrison. I'm saying I hope he doesn't follow an unfortunate trend that is the direct result of a coaching issue.

And quit arguing for argument's sake. I have my RIGHT to worry. I'm not in a state of panic, because why should I be? They're a sports team...

To be clear, and to summarize my WHILE POINT, I point the finger at the coaches, not the players, because it is a trend with a vast majority of new players entering the line-up.


And for the record, I've always liked the Sedins. I've always like Kesler (until his recent diving), and I've always liked Burrows. I don't just look at numbers like the ignorant masses do.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:27 PM

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True, AV has too much of a n ego.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:28 PM

New player trying to find his place on a team struggling out of the gate after a lockout and no training camp.

Do people really find this that difficult to comprehend?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:49 PM

That is something being overlooked. What was his injury?

groin I think


Groin it is.

Interestingly enough, Bally arrived here with groin problems, and it kept him in and out of the line-up for stretches.

Media and fans seem to be slow in picking up clues that a player is playing hurt (ill pat myself on the back for calling Kesler as injured for most of last season, whereas media were more content with slow roasting him.) The best players play within their means when they play injured, some valiantly try to play their style when hurt and never consider tailoring themselves for their shortcomings until they are 100%.

If this is the case with Garrison, i hope he will just keep it simple. Dampen the pinching, and pay attention to positioning.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:54 PM

Edler and Bieksa have been struggling just as much.

Hammer and the 3rd pairing have been great though.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:26 PM

Garrison is facing the strongest quality of competition thus far of anyone on the Canucks. His relative corsi is also +5.1. He's doing just fine.
Bieksa and Hamhius are struggling, but they'll turn it around.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:52 PM

Edler and Bieksa have been struggling just as much.

Hammer and the 3rd pairing have been great though.


That's interesting. I thought Bieksa played really well last night and that Hammer has been looking sloppy since the 1st game. Edler we both agree on.
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