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#31 honey badger36

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:50 AM

Ok someone is cranky. Ill start with Booth because I think that was a great trade. We didn't under value Sammy essentialy traded Sammy for Booth minus Sturm who had negative value. We got back a player that we have been lacking on this team (top 6 pf winger with wheels and a nose for the net). The exact type of player we needed to beat Boston the year before. Booth hasn't earned his paycheque yet but give him a chance he's only played half a season for us. If Kes would have passed more he would have been much more effective. But the point is on paper he is exactly the type of player we have been lusting for for years. MG got him for an older slower crankyer self entitled (how dare they cut me from the swedish national team #%^* them. I should be playing with the Sedins not Burr blah blah) and then MG managed to get Tallon to choke on Sturm. Point is we got a player who we needed badly in the prior playoffs for 2 rental players both of which were injured and only one of which played more than a handfull of games last season. Hmm who do ya think won that one.

Salo I love Salo hes a real pal O. Garri has played 6 games pretty early to judge I imagine he will look alot better when Edler stops channeling his inner Hoff and giving up an odd man rush every second shift. I do miss Salo though. Its pretty obvious why this move was made It was to protect Salo from anymore "canuck luck" I mean he lost a nut and got bit by a poisonus snake and was guaranteed at least 3 injuries a season. MG let him go for his own safety.

CoHo dont get started on that. Kass is a better fit for this team. You can't be sheltering your 3rd line in the playoffs that doesn't make sense. Phalsson was the best shutdown center available ATT he had a solid resume and played with the Sedins before. It made perfect sense to me.

Rome is making more than hes worth.....

the list goes on I think if you look at our healthy roster were bigger just as fast and have more high end tallent if we can just get kes back to 2011 kes were looking pretty good right now.
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#32 BenDrinkin

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:51 AM

I don't even know why I come to CDC anymore. So many armchair GM's, so many Chicken Littles, so much anger. It's just a sport, either we will win or lose, it doesn't matter. So many people here need a lot more in their lives.
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#33 cloutier123

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:09 PM

I don't even know why I come to CDC anymore. So many armchair GM's, so many Chicken Littles, so much anger. It's just a sport, either we will win or lose, it doesn't matter. So many people here need a lot more in their lives.


Wow... The colloseum defined Rome. Civilization doesn't exist without sport. The Canucks are my team. It does matter. Sports is a huge part of my life.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:11 PM

GMMG has had to deal with the loss of Bourdon (10th overall; destined to be a good defenseman or at least able to bring talent back in a trade), Sauve getting hit by a vehicle (which he does not seem to have recovered from), Malhotra's eye injury, Salo's freak injuries, Bieksa's freak injuries, Danny getting concussed by a cheap shot, Kesler's injuries and surgeries, Booth's injuries, Raymond's broken back, etc.

Every team gets injuries but we seem to get more than our fair share and the tragic death of a young stud defenseman limited his opportunities to improve the team.

Sauve looked like he was ready to make the big club before the accident and has not looked ready since.

I am guilty of really liking Mike Gillis and what he has done for the Canucks and part of that is how he has overcome these things.

Another thing that he has done is revamp a prospect pool full of Patrick White types (and I still do not like Grabner) so that we now can look forward to seeing how players like Jensen and Guance and Corrado and Mallet and and and work out.

Are you another troll Bodee?

Cuz GMMG has been great in my opinion and the best manager we have ever had (and I really liked Pat Quinn).
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#35 bossram

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:13 PM

If this were soccer I would agree that AV should carry the can but the Canuck line up is devised primarily by a tandem........more if you include assistants and scouts..........but in the main the team is supplied by MG and coached by AV

Well how has MG helped AV recently? (since the SC)

He has traded Hodgson (and let's not forget Sultzer, someone who never got a real chance) for Kassian and someone (Gragnani) AV/MG threw away after spending the "pre playoff games" messing up the defence trying him out.

Kassian will be good, I have no doubt about that and maybe the moving of Hodgson was forced on MG. That said he should have devised a package that got something "hot" for the pending campaign. He didn't. As for Pahalsson......more mediocrity.

He ditched Rome and Salo while taking on 2 "hummers" for the Wolves and keeping nice guy Alberts. I'm sorry I love nice guys but only if they are performing. Rome was a very physical, underrated player and boy we could have used him now. Salo was ditched because he "had a history of injuries" in an injury inclined team......big deal! He was still a huge influence on our D, very strong and with a proven lethal snapshot.

He brings in Garrison after one half decent season and awards him the "kingdom" putting him up alongside players like Bieksa and Hamhuis.........who have actually proved they have got what it takes. The much vaunted canon on this guy is in need of sending back to the factory or he needs an appointment with an optician. True it is early days but the guy is an expensive gamble......again.

Sammy and Sturm, he decided were surplus, fair enough. However again he builds a trade that means we are gambling. I mean if Sammy was good enough to get the deal he has with Detroit only last year it makes me think we undervalued him.
Sturm was another Gilis "project ( Mike Gillis acknowledged the risk in signing Sturm, given his two knee surgeries in the past three years) a damned expensive one at $2.5m.........in short another blunder.

This blunder was then "knocked on" by taking yet another overpriced "project" David Booth. Booth is a trier, no doubt, goes to the net and all the other cliches but he is NOT a fit, nor does he have the impact, certainly not, at that price, we needed..........Oh and we lumbered the Aquilnis with the expensive Reinprecht as part of the deal.

Anyone seeing a trend here yet? Mediocrity and projects when what our team needed was bold imaginative moves to enhance our SC prospects. Add to that our less than sterling draft performances.

Hell we could have had draft picks for all the rubbish above and been better placed with a couple of UFAs than we are now.

So you see AV has had f---all help and arguably hinderance from big Mike since dragging his battered and battle weary squad to game 7 in 2011.


Hindsight is 20/20. And you're dismissing some moves before they've even had enough time to make an informed judgement on.

Also, I like how you ignore all the brilliant moves MG has made in his time. Signing Hamhuis and Malhotra, Trading for Ehrhoff, trading for Higgins and Lapierre, signing Torres, etc, were all essential moves to even get into the Cup Final and having successful seasons.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 12:47 PM

Again you didnt really point out a trend.. other then players being moved in and out.. if all the players were similar and were traded for similar players then you could call it a trend.. also sometimes, if not the majority of then time players can take up to a full season to adjust to a new team and system. Luckily MG doesnt sell out this franchise for a single season as you would have him do, not resigning Salo who was old and injury prone was a good move, as was bringing Garison.

Stop trying to complain about a GM who have won us something like 5 straight NW devision titles and back to back presidents trophies. Yes we have not won a cup, but thats not the GM's fault, he put us in a position to win it, which is all he can do.


Ok to recap for those who also don't see it. Nothing that MG does is for now. Many trades have gamble written all over them and the standard and quality of the players he brings in are not what we are crying out for.
He trades away players who have shown they are useful and still could be and we get back futures, projects and duds.

As for drafting............only time will tell but lets just say we have not been blessed.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:36 PM

MG has made smart moves from the time of his arrival. Yes, you can talk about the bad signing in Sturm, but look who we packaged to get Booth, an overpriced reclamation project in Sturm and an aging Samuelsson for a 26 y/o with a proven ability to pot 60 points. The only negative about Booth is his contract, which you failed to mention in your post. Comprehension

Instead your ramblings are directed towards things that you don't think 'fit' or you judge subjectively as not working. There is no clear thesis as to what you define as the 'trend'. You seem to imply throughout your post that we could be a more competitive team had some of these risks not been taken, then you imply that it would have been better just to stockpile picks? Comprehension That would make this team less competitive.

It seems your posting just to be different, despite the clear logic in front of you. Salo was a leader on our D-core, no question, but he was also asking for term on a 35+ contract (which means we pay the full value of the contract, regardless of potential retirement). MG did offer Salo a 1 year deal, but Tampa offered 7m over 2 years, to a guy who hasn't played a full season in his career. Despite that he was and would have been a big key to our success this year

Garrison as a replacement hasn't worked out 6 games into the season, I think we can wait for a bigger sample size before we complain about that. Comprehension He has been solid defensively, Has he? though he hasn't put up points yet. He has also been a horse on our backend averaging 23:05 of ice time a game.

What MG has done since getting here is creating a culture of winning. Let me remind you again of our last GM in Dave Nonis, who in 07-08 signed Brad Isbister at free agency, and then went on to acquire Matt Pettinger at the deadline. At least with MG we are getting quality players to build upon a strong core. At the deadline every year we have gotten roster pieces, namely Lapierre, Higgins, Kassian etc. At free agency Gillis is actually able to attract free agents here, Demitra, Hamhuis, Garrison, Sundin etc. all signed here under Gillis's tenure while Nonis couldn't attract a single FA. On top of all this Gillis has locked up core players to long term deals, the Sedins, Bieksa, Luongo, Kesler, Schneider and more recently Edler. If that wasn't enough, he's gone over the top by hiring sleep specialists who then lobbied the NHL for a more lenient travel schedule. So ya, Gillis is sabotaging this team with the 2 players you were able to mention that haven't worked out here, or have yet to work out - TOTALLY.


Creating a culture of winning I would say is more down to the coach.

I think you have a difficult time with comprehension. I've tried to mark the places where you might want to check again.

Regarding your last paragraph you seemed to have missed the point, but let's look at it anyway.

Lapierre is a 3rd/4th liner
Higgins is a 3rd liner...........big deal 3pts between them in 10 SC games. They are ok and nothing more.
Garrison........awarded a long contract that I read someone compare to Ballard's.......at least Ballard had form for more than a season.
Sundin........one year $8,6m ($5m)......23 points and played on the 2nd line. Is THAT good business? Messier doubles that ratio and gets slammed on here.
Pavol Demitra....$8m for 97 games and 69 pts.....injured.
Hamhuis..........MG hardly had to work on this one....quote: he was specifically interested in signing with the Canucks during his pending free agency, which factored into his decision to sign with neither Philadelphia or Pittsburgh.

I have no interest in what Nonis could or couldn't do. The whole point of this thread was to point out what MG won't do. That is give the team the peices it has cried out for.

Edited by Bodee, 30 January 2013 - 06:31 PM.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

"Also, I like how you ignore all the brilliant moves MG has made in his time. Signing Hamhuis and Malhotra, Trading for Ehrhoff, trading for Higgins and Lapierre, signing Torres, etc, were all essential moves to even get into the Cup Final and having successful seasons."

None of that has counted for crap since our 2011 SC failure.
The whole point of the post, if you had read it, is that irrespective of what he did before that cup he has failed to address the real issues which led to our failure. The trend here is his continued refusal to do anything big enough to make a difference, it has all been sticking plasters.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

Damn it I thought the title said " There is a thread here..........and not a good one. B/c I'd agree with that.

OP please please stop. i'm not crying out for players I'm hoping the GM picks up players he deems a good fit for the Canucks. That's his job. I'm pretty sure his employers back him since he was re-signed and "sucks so bad"
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:48 PM

"Are you another troll Bodee?"

Ah the standard fallback of those who don't like other people expressing their own opinion. Why not answer the points instead trying to be a smart ass
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

"Well how has MG helped AV recently? (since the SC)"


Look I appreciate that for some of you English may not be your first language but I still thought I was fairly specific.

Instead I get Sundin, Demitra, Hamhuis, sleep clinics, and everything else under the sun kicked into your posts. Instead of just rushing to fire up your computers in indignation read the bloody post.
The post is in defence of the flak you are now happy to load onto AV while MG gets a free pass. One of you hypocrites even had the gall (or was it dumbness) to say "but MG has instilled a winning mentality" So MG gets all the credit when we are winning and is "snow white" when we go through a bad patch.
Just reading some of these posts I really worry about the comprehension of some of you..........well if indeed half of you bothered to read it through.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:29 PM

How about we lose in the playoffs to a team that doesn't end up taking home the cup? Then we can start complaining.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:43 PM

Briefly started reading the OP. Then I saw the name of who created it. I stopped reading immediately.


But in your mounting conceit you still felt you had to share your poverty of thought with us anyway. A jackal of the first order.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

I'm with TOML, this thread is a joke, you've been sufficiently told by more members than just myself, so I'm not going to beat a dead horse. As well your treatment towards some of the posters on here is just plain rude. You'd think an appropriate response to criticism would be to enable discussion, but you insist on insulting members that post here, implying borderline racism about their English comprehension. Enjoy your thread alone, as you have clearly demonstrated you are not worth anyone's time.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

You definitely can't judge the Garrison project yet, and I still think Booth deserves more time. Also, you fail to mention the projects that worked out. Ex: Lapierre, Torres, Higgins.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:19 PM

I love it when a guy proclaims his superior insight into both the Canucks and the English language...especially when he can't spell Sulzer and Pahlsson.

Very entertaining - thank you.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

Question for Bodee. If Kesler and Booth was healthy and playing 2nd line, would you rather have Cody as 3rd line centre OR would you rather have Kassian on 1st line?

Edited by debluvscanucks, 31 January 2013 - 09:54 AM.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

Apparently I'm quotable - who knew?
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:28 PM

Apparently I'm quotable



Only partially though :P
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:30 PM

Creating a culture of winning I would say is more down to the coach.

I think you have a difficult time with comprehension. I've tried to mark the places where you might want to check again.


Now that's just being silly. It was perfectly clear what he meant in each of those instances. I'm not sure some of it was even grammatically incorrect... And all you have to do is read the thread title to pick out a flaw in your grammar.

Kudos for still trying to argue your points, but pointing out comprehension just makes you look immature. More importantly, as a Scot it also reflects badly upon me.

Edited by Scottish⑦Canuck, 30 January 2013 - 05:26 PM.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

If this were soccer I would agree that AV should carry the can but the Canuck line up is devised primarily by a tandem........more if you include assistants and scouts..........but in the main the team is supplied by MG and coached by AV

Well how has MG helped AV recently? (since the SC)


I guess bringing in our best defensemen in Hamhuis isn't "Helping AV enough"

And yeah I saw you said since the SC, but if you are going to make a fair judgment, you have to bring into light everything MG has done for AV in his time here. He gave him the best team this franchise is ever seen and AV turned it into a choker.

He has traded Hodgson (and let's not forget Sultzer, someone who never got a real chance) for Kassian and someone (Gragnani) AV/MG threw away after spending the "pre playoff games" messing up the defence trying him out.

Kassian will be good, I have no doubt about that and maybe the moving of Hodgson was forced on MG. That said he should have devised a package that got something "hot" for the pending campaign. He didn't. As for Pahalsson......more mediocrity.


What a brilliant idea that would have been.

Hodgson+ for a rental player. Why didn't MG think of it!!

With the cap going down and the mystery box that was the CBA, it is clear MG made the right move in acquiring a young player and that young player is proving to be well worth it.

He ditched Rome and Salo while taking on 2 "hummers" for the Wolves and keeping nice guy Alberts. I'm sorry I love nice guys but only if they are performing. Rome was a very physical, underrated player and boy we could have used him now. Salo was ditched because he "had a history of injuries" in an injury inclined team......big deal! He was still a huge influence on our D, very strong and with a proven lethal snapshot.


Actually he was "ditched" because we couldn't offer him the deal Tampa Bay could, we didn't want to go longer than 1 year with him, and like I said there is no way we would have been able to give him the deal Tampa gave him, love Sami but for our team it would have handcuffed us.

It turned out to be the right move, as now with the cap coming down, I can't see a way we would have been able to afford to re-sign Edler and/or Burrows with Sami still here.


He brings in Garrison after one half decent season and awards him the "kingdom" putting him up alongside players like Bieksa and Hamhuis.........who have actually proved they have got what it takes. The much vaunted canon on this guy is in need of sending back to the factory or he needs an appointment with an optician. True it is early days but the guy is an expensive gamble......again.


People forget how long it took Hamhuis to adjust.

Give it 20 games, the guy is adjusting to a completely new system, and is playing with a defensive partner who is getting adjusted to a new side, and who is shaky to begin with.

Come back in 15-20 games.


Sammy and Sturm, he decided were surplus, fair enough. However again he builds a trade that means we are gambling. I mean if Sammy was good enough to get the deal he has with Detroit only last year it makes me think we undervalued him.
Sturm was another Gilis "project ( Mike Gillis acknowledged the risk in signing Sturm, given his two knee surgeries in the past three years) a damned expensive one at $2.5m.........in short another blunder.

This blunder was then "knocked on" by taking yet another overpriced "project" David Booth. Booth is a trier, no doubt, goes to the net and all the other cliches but he is NOT a fit, nor does he have the impact, certainly not, at that price, we needed..........Oh and we lumbered the Aquilnis with the expensive Reinprecht as part of the deal.


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I guess you don't understand that Florida isn't exactly the richest team in the league and they run on a much stricter budget than we do.

The salary needed to match up for that deal to work. Not hard to figure out why he was in the deal.

Also, give Booth time, it was a great deal.

No one was complaining when he had 12 points in 15 games before that injury, he brings something this team was missing. Way to jump the gun.

Anyone seeing a trend here yet? Mediocrity and projects when what our team needed was bold imaginative moves to enhance our SC prospects. Add to that our less than sterling draft performances.

Hell we could have had draft picks for all the rubbish above and been better placed with a couple of UFAs than we are now.

So you see AV has had f---all help and arguably hinderance from big Mike since dragging his battered and battle weary squad to game 7 in 2011.


Alright, we will make a bold move then.

We will make a bold move like the one Nonis was considering making for Brad Richards a few years ago, Schneider, Edler and Bourdon for Richards. You want to make a move like that and cripple our franchise? Imagine where we would be now? Dallas would be a top contender and Richards would be in New York, we would have nothing to show for it.

So what do you want us to do? Jensen, Kassian, Lack and a 1st for Phil Kessel?

There is a reason we don't blow things up and trade our best young assets like that, otherwise I'm sure Brad Richards would have landed and left Vancouver years ago.

Oh and way to consider where we have been drafting. And actually our prospect pool isn't as bad as most think, but go ahead keep playing that stereotype, that's fine.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:50 PM

Kudos for still trying to argue your points, but pointing out comprehension just makes you look immature. More importantly, as a Scot it also reflects badly upon me.


I don't know why we keep feeding the troll.

In the words of another Scotsman, Groundskeeper Willie: "We're wasting more energy than Ricky Martin's girlfriend."

Edited by D-Money, 30 January 2013 - 04:53 PM.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:14 PM

"Also, I like how you ignore all the brilliant moves MG has made in his time. Signing Hamhuis and Malhotra, Trading for Ehrhoff, trading for Higgins and Lapierre, signing Torres, etc, were all essential moves to even get into the Cup Final and having successful seasons."

None of that has counted for crap since our 2011 SC failure.
The whole point of the post, if you had read it, is that irrespective of what he did before that cup he has failed to address the real issues which led to our failure. The trend here is his continued refusal to do anything big enough to make a difference, it has all been sticking plasters.


Who do you blame that failure on?

The guy who got us all the pieces to build that team into what it was to give us that shot at being the best?

Or the guy who failed to motivate us, failed to make adjustments, the guy who was out coached and the guy who sits around and expects everyone else to pick up his slack?

Like serious just think about it a little bit.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:42 PM

Only partially though :P

It's a sound bite world now - all about the hook. Nobody reads the novels I write. :(

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:43 PM

I don't know why we keep feeding the troll.

In the words of another Scotsman, Groundskeeper Willie: "We're wasting more energy than Ricky Martin's girlfriend."


Another fan who shouts troll when he doesn't understand what it means. Faced with a situation where someone has and explains his opinion I'm afraid your fatuous "one liners" just can't cut it. You would be better sitting on the sidelines son, this is obviously over your head.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:44 PM

Troll.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 05:45 PM

Hi Deb and also a note to the OP Bodee;

Deb; of course packages have to be complimentary to both teams. It's rare that teams steal a player in a deal, as much as that happened to us with Cam Neely, or how we scored Naslund. And maybe Kassian, I am overstating here to be fair, will become the same? Kassian, like Naslund was sort of being given up on. Enough notes have come out about Ruff being happy to be rid of Kass, combined with his performance and fitness level when he arrived, to suggest we again took on (as Bodee calls them) another reclamation project. Well I criticized the trade for the same reasons as Bodee; I could not see for the life of me how a project, who might make it in 2 years, was worth our best prospect since the Twins.

And that viewpoint is valid in last years context. We ran around, even unfairly sat Bitz to let Kass be that elusive physical stud we all know we (especially Bodee :rolleyes: ) were missing. I firmly believe MG got duped, believed Kass would be a more immediate solution and could have done more. For those who say MG is the greatest GM, and Deb who says you need to let deals come together >>>

Lombardi delivered exactly the pieces his team needed. Not rental players either, they will be powerful for years. And in our cup year, even when we signed Sundin, we were more carefully putting pieces we needed in place!

That focus Bodee is speaking of was lost!

But this year Kass appears ahead of schedule. If Kass plays significant time this year on the first line I will eat most of the dead crow i threw on the trade. He appears full value!

For all of the OP's visit to the proverbial Scottish screaching tree, which I found distasteful, he missed articulating his own point. What we really need is someone who delivers the right pieces if we are shuffling parts. Whining about who we lost, in cases like Salo's, is already thoroughly beaten.

What is fair IMO, and people will foolishly debate this, is that our pieces still have not come back together. We robbed from Peter (centre) to pay Paul (RW) in the Kassian trade. Yeah Garrison appears a 220 lb stud defender, also offering a big shot we can use. If he's not a solution yet, he deserves more of a sample size. But geez; we already had THREE left side D, at over $10 mill in cap space. We still need a right handed shot, right side D and a puck rushing whiz. Similarly Booth appears a 217 lb physical specimen capable of 60 points. Oh yeah, we already had 4 left wings capable of playing Top 6 minutes. Even with Kassian, it's obvious we still need more size and we have a gaping hole behind Kesler (ahem) at centre. We signed Schneider, but had Lou, or is it the other way around? We've been accumulating assets so MG is clearly not asleep at the wheel.

But spelling Bodee's rant out more clearly; we're stacked in some positions and still very weak in others in return for the players he is crying about losing (and shouldn't be).

Many here are supporters of Schroeder; if we go into the play off's with an undersized 3rd line centre between Hansen and Higgins we're sunk! At best, Schroeder would need to be flanked by much bigger wings if he is our guy. Look at the 2knd shift of the Sharks game, and you will eerily revisit the Boston finals where the Sedin's were taking defensive draws against a big physical top line. That goes against the grain of every match up we try to set up for the Twins, because if we go with them as a pair we need much better physical depth behind them!

MG still has work to do!



"He should have devised a package that got something "hot" for the pending campaign"...the problem with this is that you can devise all the packages you want, but someone has to accept them at the other end. "Hot" commodities just aren't that easy to acquire (because 29 or so teams are generally interested in those players). It's not like we haven't been in the thick of things, so they haven't missed the mark by much. You don't want to start disassembling a top team in order to tweak a few parts and, often, that's what is required to secure the players you're suggesting. So MG's tried to tweak by keeping his core in place because that's been a pretty sure thing. This chess game requires patience and you don't make bold, brash moves unless they make sense from all angles - not just in the receiving end.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:03 PM

I guess bringing in our best defensemen in Hamhuis isn't "Helping AV enough"

And yeah I saw you said since the SC, but if you are going to make a fair judgment, you have to bring into light everything MG has done for AV in his time here. He gave him the best team this franchise is ever seen and AV turned it into a choker.
Check your facts, Hamhuis virtually begged to come here. Your "fair judgement comment shows you don't understand the OP. This is about getting the pieces to stop a repeat of the our team getting beaten up by more physical teams. Like LA for instance.



What a brilliant idea that would have been.

Hodgson+ for a rental player. Why didn't MG think of it!!

With the cap going down and the mystery box that was the CBA, it is clear MG made the right move in acquiring a young player and that young player is proving to be well worth it.
But it didn't help us did it and I doubt it will help us this season either. I would like it to but I can't see it.



Actually he was "ditched" because we couldn't offer him the deal Tampa Bay could, we didn't want to go longer than 1 year with him, and like I said there is no way we would have been able to give him the deal Tampa gave him, love Sami but for our team it would have handcuffed us.
But we gave Garrison much more for longer to "hopefully do the same thing" We could have just moved Ballard up and filled in at the bottom line with Vandermeer.

It turned out to be the right move, as now with the cap coming down, I can't see a way we would have been able to afford to re-sign Edler and/or Burrows with Sami still here.
As I say, we will see. Sami would, I think have taken less to stay.




People forget how long it took Hamhuis to adjust.

Give it 20 games, the guy is adjusting to a completely new system, and is playing with a defensive partner who is getting adjusted to a new side, and who is shaky to begin with.

Come back in 15-20 games. Fair enough let's make it a season.




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I guess you don't understand that Florida isn't exactly the richest team in the league and they run on a much stricter budget than we do.

The salary needed to match up for that deal to work. Not hard to figure out why he was in the deal.

Also, give Booth time, it was a great deal.

No one was complaining when he had 12 points in 15 games before that injury, he brings something this team was missing. Way to jump the gun.
I'm just not convinced. (and I'm not alone) I don't like his selfish approach and it won't work with Kes and Raymond. As I say for that kind of money we could have done better.



Alright, we will make a bold move then.

We will make a bold move like the one Nonis was considering making for Brad Richards a few years ago, Schneider, Edler and Bourdon for Richards. You want to make a move like that and cripple our franchise? Imagine where we would be now? Dallas would be a top contender and Richards would be in New York, we would have nothing to show for it.

So what do you want us to do? Jensen, Kassian, Lack and a 1st for Phil Kessel?

There is a reason we don't blow things up and trade our best young assets like that, otherwise I'm sure Brad Richards would have landed and left Vancouver years ago.

Oh and way to consider where we have been drafting. And actually our prospect pool isn't as bad as most think, but go ahead keep playing that stereotype, that's fine.

Well fine let's just sit and moan like we all do on here when we get knocked about and when we meet tough teams. You do realise that we HAVE stood still in terms of physicality (arguable gone back) Other teams haven't. Unless MG pulls something good out of the Lu deal we could possibly not get further than round 1 again.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:08 PM

Troll.


Fool!
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:22 PM

Now that's just being silly. It was perfectly clear what he meant in each of those instances. I'm not sure some of it was even grammatically incorrect... And all you have to do is read the thread title to pick out a flaw in your grammar.

Kudos for still trying to argue your points, but pointing out comprehension just makes you look immature. More importantly, as a Scot it also reflects badly upon me.




I won't be picked up on things that are written plainly.

If someone can't comprehend plain english I can't be bothered repeating it. This thread is riddled with people who either haven't read the OP, have read it but failed to understand/comprehend it, or have just assumed insult mode and waded in with their ignorant one liners.
One or two have read it and understood where I'm coming from, kudos to them.

As for you last comment jeez that is rich, I've no time for people making statements like that trying to ingratiate themselves. Have you looked at some of the replies?
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