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#151 Lockhart

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:14 PM

Luongo doesn't need to be a showcased, he's been an elite goalie for like 10 years... It's all about playing the hot goalie and trying to win games.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:14 PM

You don't like the idea of Lu playing D?? ::D



Well at least he can block shots. I just don't see why you punish a guy for being asked to play out of position and doing a bad job by putting someone else even more out of position.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:15 PM

Its a great move by AV or MG because all 3 of the rumoured destinations for Luongo are all watching tonight.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:16 PM

AV is just playing the goalie who gives his team a better chance to win. The entire team played pretty similarly against San Jose and LA, the biggest difference was Luongo held his team in it with some fantastic saves and Cory scored on himself (Marleau goal, he pushed it in) and crapped the bed.

This isn't even a decision, Lu's playing unreal right now and Cory isn't. Play the better goalie.

Denial.
In fact, both goalies are pretty much on par with one another. There may be a small difference, but with such a small sample size, one save, one win can make a massive change in stats. Lou is not the clear "better goalie". And he will be traded. But not because CS is just so much better. CS is the better option. He makes more sense for the organization. He's cheaper, he's younger, and he's technically more sound. It's about getting more for less. Nothing more.
Lou is being traded. It's not your fault.
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Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:17 PM

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#156 SkeeterHansen

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

AV adding to the controversy and messing with Cory's confidence.

When Lu was the starter, he was given numerous bad games to work through it.

AV is handling Cory like he did Hodgson, Linden, Naslund.

What an A$$


He is not sticking to what he did in the past. IN the past, the starter (LU) was given numerous games to get his mojo even though he played like crap. Cory has not been bad (1st game exception) but is now sat 2 games in a row after 4 days off?!!

Cory knows how Lu was handled and he is not being given the same treatment = messing with his confidence.


Um, why should he be treated like Luongo? He does not have the pedigree Luongo has...

Two things.

One, is that when Luongo was given the starter role last season, Luongo was the undisputed starter for his entire 10+ season NHL career, and his backup, Cory Schneider, was an unproven as a starter but a well-established back up.

Two, let's for argument sake assume that Cory is the "starter" this season. The difference here is, this is Cory's first season as the #1 goaltender and he is so far unproven as a starting goaltender. Meanwhile, his backup, Roberto Luongo, is a proven elite starter with a well-established record.

These two situations should not be treated the same because they are not equal. AV is handling it just the right way.

For instance, Luongo's 1st season as a starter was also split around 40 games. It is natural for many starting goaltenders to share the net duties in their first season with a veteran backup or soon-to-be back up.

If Luongo stayed, I didn't expect Schneider to keep the starting role - I expected Luongo to either take it back or at least split the season. It looks like they will be splitting it.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

Well at least he can block shots. I just don't see why you punish a guy for being asked to play out of position and doing a bad job by putting someone else even more out of position.


I think when pressed, Edler tried to bank the puck off the boards. Unfortunately, he still thinks he's playing the left side and those bankshots turn out to be passes into the center of the iice. :lol:
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:22 PM

Guys might be overreacting, it could possibly be because AV wants to play Schneider in the Chicago game.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:23 PM

AV would be a fool not to consult with his boss when sitting out a highly-paid player the team may have trouble moving due to a long-term deal with a NMC. Gillis would be responsible for any fallout so it is important to at least have a conversation about it. If you're in a situation where consulting with your boss over a $64 million decision isn't necessary, my apologies,

As to the main topic of the thread, Luongo played well and the team is desparately trying to get what points they can. Last season is not comparable because we were able to risk losing a couple of games to try to get Luongo in a groove. In a shortened season, every point is more valuable and we aren't getting enough of them already.

I prefer Schneider as our starter, but Luongo earned another start with his play against the Kings.

....I would think the goalies salaries don't even play a part in who starts.Correct me if I'm wrong but,Is there much difference between sitting a $5.3m player or a $4.0m player ?
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:31 PM

So you make the best of a not even bad situation?...you get the luxury of going with the hot hand. In the case that either one can't take the pressure of that? - well, that's a sign in itsef. It's the big boys club and there is no place for ruffled feathers or pouting in the heart of champions. You prove you deserve the spot - a little family competition never hurt anything and it'll make sure no one's coasting. That's my two cents. Go Lu. And Schneids.

And, as above, I'm pretty sure Schneids'll be slated for Chicago. So it's all good.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:31 PM

....I would think the goalies salaries don't even play a part in who starts.Correct me if I'm wrong but,Is there much difference between sitting a $5.3m player or a $4.0m player ?


Schneider was not a $4 million player at that point in time. Switching starters in the playoffs had potential long-term consequences (we are seeing them right now). Those consequence are largely Gillis' responsibility not Vigneault's. I'm not saying the decision was dictated by Gillis, but not at least talking to the GM beforehand would be very unprofessional for any coach.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

Is the game not be listed for anyone else on their guide???
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:37 PM

Different year, different situation.

He made the decision last year that has led to the need to trade Lu and now is messing with his replacement's confidence.

Another stellar personnel decision by AV.


You're foolish if you think Luongo doesn't deserve another start after that Kings game.

You're silly.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

Luongo doesn't need to be a showcased, he's been an elite goalie for like 10 years... It's all about playing the hot goalie and trying to win games.

Well said...
That's it. Nothing else... I can't believe the Luongo hater's keep making excuses
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:41 PM

You're foolish if you think Luongo doesn't deserve another start after that Kings game.

You're silly.


:( I'm sorry. :bigblush:
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:43 PM

I see the kiddies are setting themselves up for disappoinment. 2-2 tie. Van takes it in overtime 3-2 Van.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:43 PM

:( I'm sorry. :bigblush:


No you're not
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:50 PM

I donno why everyone is freaking out about Luo starting. Luo had to get another start after last game. I would prefer give Schnide the start against the hawks anyway and Luo the Avs makes perfect sense.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:51 PM

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

Well said...
That's it. Nothing else... I can't believe the Luongo hater's keep making excuses


What excuses only the media and Canuck fans coming up with negative scenarios that do not exist for the sake of arguement.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

If the Nucks lose to Col you guys will really have something to bicker over. Not even the absent 2nd line is an excuse to lose to these guys.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:03 PM

Luongo does not need to be showcased after 10 years of being a solid goalie. Fans actually think Gm's don't know what Luongo is all about. He is only been the starter for one of the NHL's biggest markets, but I'm sure gm's haven't noticed or seen him.

Get freakin real. He is simply starting because of playing a solid game in LA. Say anything else that helps you justify this rather simple and clear reasoning. And people saying its because Schneider is being saved for the Hawks think again. His numbers against the Avs are steller and his numbers against the Hawks are worse than Luongo's.

CS is 3-2 vs the Hawks and a GAA above 4.00....

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:09 PM

Stop crying about AV adding fuel to the fire, you people are crazy. Lui has been playing better, therefore he should start.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

Schneider was not a $4 million player at that point in time. Switching starters in the playoffs had potential long-term consequences (we are seeing them right now). Those consequence are largely Gillis' responsibility not Vigneault's. I'm not saying the decision was dictated by Gillis, but not at least talking to the GM beforehand would be very unprofessional for any coach.

...My reference to their salaries are in relation to this season right now.If you re-read your post it would in no way appear you were not talking this season also.No reference to playoffs in your post.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:13 PM

Honestly I just think AV wants Lou to get his first win of the season.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:14 PM

People reading into this goalie thing are making me laugh.

1. Either goalie would be a reasonable choice.
2. If Schnieder is the bonifide starter it is quite reasonable that they are giving him the Chicago game.
3. Playing Lou against the weaker competition could pad his stats and lead to "the" trade we are all waiting for. If he wins the next 5 in a row GM's will start calling.

Lou played great the other night, too bad he had to get scored on in the last minute. Wasn't really his fault. I don't think he even saw it.

And yeah, Lou is playing slightly better but not by much for all the Lou'vers out there. Cory has been very decent in the past 2. The Sharks wasn't his fault by any stretch.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:18 PM

...My reference to their salaries are in relation to this season right now.If you re-read your post it would in no way appear you were not talking this season also.No reference to playoffs in your post.


The post I had quoted was about the playoffs, but it's a long line of quotes; I should have been more clear.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:19 PM

I guess we can take the off the 'Replacement' in the title and make it the 'Official' GDT.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

People reading into this goalie thing are making me laugh.

1. Either goalie would be a reasonable choice.
2. If Schnieder is the bonifide starter it is quite reasonable that they are giving him the Chicago game.
3. Playing Lou against the weaker competition could pad his stats and lead to "the" trade we are all waiting for. If he wins the next 5 in a row GM's will start calling.

Lou played great the other night, too bad he had to get scored on in the last minute. Wasn't really his fault. I don't think he even saw it.

And yeah, Lou is playing slightly better but not by much for all the Lou'vers out there. Cory has been very decent in the past 2. The Sharks wasn't his fault by any stretch.


Yea because all bonifide starters need 4 nights of rest before they play a rival? And they sit out vs the cup champs and a division rival... cool story. Make a website and tell us all about it
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