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#121 Mr. Ambien

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 01:42 PM

You missed the point... even Ron Paul was perplexed at putting deadly weapons in the hands of war vets suffering from PTSD.

And these are quotes attributed to right wing pundits and spokesperson. not the dastardly left wing media indulging in rhetoric and obfuscation The rhetoric and obfuscation is being left up to gun loons and their apologists.

I missed nothing, you made two mistakes and I'd advise reading the post again, more thoroughly this time:

1) I mentioned that Ron Paul wondered why you would take someone to a shooting range to remedy PTSD and that it makes sense. How I missed the point when you just reiterated what I posted following "you missed the point" is pretty comical, but the comprehension problems don't surprise me.

2) I never attributed anything to "leftist" media in that post, where the hell did that come from? You completely conjured this up on your own. I'm criticising "American" media, which in this particular case is actually FOX News for criticising Ron Paul, and the media in general for making this an issue that separates Ron Paul as if he's not a supporter of the second amendment. The only issue here is that the media made much out of a simple twitter statement and to their own political agenda are going out in left field, the op-ed writer is obfuscating Paul as if the gun debate is Paul vs. "conservatives".
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:49 PM

I missed nothing, you made two mistakes and I'd advise reading the post again, more thoroughly this time:

1) I mentioned that Ron Paul wondered why you would take someone to a shooting range to remedy PTSD and that it makes sense. How I missed the point when you just reiterated what I posted following "you missed the point" is pretty comical, but the comprehension problems don't surprise me.

2) I never attributed anything to "leftist" media in that post, where the hell did that come from? You completely conjured this up on your own. I'm criticising "American" media, which in this particular case is actually FOX News for criticising Ron Paul, and the media in general for making this an issue that separates Ron Paul as if he's not a supporter of the second amendment. The only issue here is that the media made much out of a simple twitter statement and to their own political agenda are going out in left field, the op-ed writer is obfuscating Paul as if the gun debate is Paul vs. "conservatives".

My assessment seems accurate when you begin your post with..."The above article is full of a lot of useless fluff, some ridiculous alarmist rhetoric, and obfuscates Ron Paul"...
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 03:18 PM

My assessment seems accurate when you begin your post with..."The above article is full of a lot of useless fluff, some ridiculous alarmist rhetoric, and obfuscates Ron Paul"...

At least you concede that your assessment is based on the wilful ignorance of selective reading.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 03:35 PM

At least you concede that your assessment is based on the wilful ignorance of selective reading.

Nope, I did no such thing.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:44 PM

Nope, I did no such thing.

It's ok, it was an admission anyways. :)
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:32 AM

I disagree..

The analogy seems apropos.


yes it would be a bad idea for banks to just hand over loaded guns to anyone opening a checking account with no background check at all. That's not the point I was making, the point I was making was how you composed your posting to make it look like banks really did hand over a gun to Michael Moore (why post the clip if not to support your argument?) And because of the inaccuracy of the video, it does nothing to support your example or make it a "real life example" of banks handing over guns.

or do you disagree that what was in the clip was staged?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:49 AM

Sandy Hook Dad gets it -- gotta love people who can think sensibly about their rights following the most politically convenient time to forego them. Some CDC users could learn a valuable lesson about American rights from these Americans:


Edited by zaibatsu, 06 February 2013 - 08:51 AM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:37 AM

'think sensibly' left this a long time ago.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

In Missouri it is being proposed that if a person introduces gun control legislation that person should be charged with a crime.


A Congressman in Missouri is taking a dramatic stand against gun control.


A state representative has proposed a bill that would make it a class D felony for any member of the General Assembly to propose legislation "that further restricts an individual's right to bear arms."


The bill was sponsored by Republican Rep. Mike Leara.


BuzzFeed's Rebecca Berg was the first to bring Missouri's proposed legislation to our attention.


Missouri is the just latest in a growing line of states attempting to criminalize gun control.


While Vice President Joe Biden was promoting the White House's plan for gun control in Virginia at the end of January, the state's House of Delegates approved a bill that would forbid state agencies and employees from helping the federal government enforcement new control measures in the state.


And Wyoming, Texas, Mississippi, and Tennessee have all announced plans as well to make it a crime for state employees to enforce federal gun control measures.

http://www.businessinsider.com/missouris-response-to-gun-control-2013-2#ixzz2LO18BKCW
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:29 PM

The stupid...it burns!
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

The stupid...it burns!


Yeah, this hurts.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

In Missouri it is being proposed that if a person introduces gun control legislation that person should be charged with a crime.


A Congressman in Missouri is taking a dramatic stand against gun control.


A state representative has proposed a bill that would make it a class D felony for any member of the General Assembly to propose legislation "that further restricts an individual's right to bear arms."


The bill was sponsored by Republican Rep. Mike Leara.


BuzzFeed's Rebecca Berg was the first to bring Missouri's proposed legislation to our attention.


Missouri is the just latest in a growing line of states attempting to criminalize gun control.


While Vice President Joe Biden was promoting the White House's plan for gun control in Virginia at the end of January, the state's House of Delegates approved a bill that would forbid state agencies and employees from helping the federal government enforcement new control measures in the state.


And Wyoming, Texas, Mississippi, and Tennessee have all announced plans as well to make it a crime for state employees to enforce federal gun control measures.

http://www.businessi...2#ixzz2LO18BKCW


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:22 PM

Push people too hard and they will push back. Human nature.

Indeed.
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Posted 19 February 2013 - 06:53 PM

Apparently the right for some douchebag in Kentucky to own a .22 with absolutely no regulations or control, none, zip, nadda, supersedes the right to life -- the right for parents to send their child to school and expect them to return on that same bus at the end of the day. That's the problem I have with all this, this disgusting sense of entitlement by pro gun Americans because the constitution says they can own a weapon and their rights will not be infringed. They would rather do NOTHING before doing something, if that something meant enforcing some sort of control in an effort to save lives.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:55 AM

Apparently the right for some douchebag in Kentucky to own a .22 with absolutely no regulations or control, none, zip, nadda, supersedes the right to life -- the right for parents to send their child to school and expect them to return on that same bus at the end of the day. That's the problem I have with all this, this disgusting sense of entitlement by pro gun Americans because the constitution says they can own a weapon and their rights will not be infringed. They would rather do NOTHING before doing something, if that something meant enforcing some sort of control in an effort to save lives.


Kids used to be able to bring their OWN guns to school without anybody freaking out or any kind of issues.

Now however, thanks to the useful idiot puppet people, we've got a society where everything is more criminalized and institutionalized by the day yet is not really any more safe.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:58 AM

Push people too hard and they will push back.  Human nature.


"Too hard"?????

The proposed legislation is so soft, it wouldn't even budge a toddler.

Instead of "human nature", try "stupidity" and "paranoia"...
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:07 PM

Kids used to be able to bring their OWN guns to school without anybody freaking out or any kind of issues.

Now however, thanks to the useful idiot puppet people, we've got a society where everything is more criminalized and institutionalized by the day yet is not really any more safe.

????

Seriously.

The US courts have consistently declared schools to be gun free zones and until recently that has been the overwhelming policy. Even in Heller the SCOTUS noted that the right to bear arms was subject to limitations including schools.

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.


Nice attempted troll BTW.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:06 PM

Captain Obvious says today's legal situation wasn't always the case, hence my comment about increasing criminalization.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:01 PM

Captain Obvious says today's legal situation wasn't always the case, hence my comment about increasing criminalization.

That make no sense.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:13 PM

That make no sense.

Increasing criminalisation and institutionalisation, like calling the cops on kids for gesturing with their fingers or making paper guns, making random babble about guns or play "shooting" someone and such causing a panic, and so on. It makes no sense to you because you are clueless and can't think beyond copy-pasting case law and espousing+copy-pasting leftist outrage.

Edited by zaibatsu, 20 February 2013 - 04:18 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

Increasing criminalisation and institutionalisation, like calling the cops on kids for gesturing with their fingers or making paper guns, making random babble about guns or play "shooting" someone and such causing a panic, and so on. It makes no sense to you because you are clueless and can't think beyond copy-pasting case law and espousing+copy-pasting leftist outrage.

Electro Rock's post made no sense and your attempted "interpretation" does not assist him.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:43 PM

Electro Rock's post made no sense and your attempted "interpretation" does not assist him.

Funny how it made sense just fine to me.. your inability to interpret a post is a self-imposed mental block.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:47 PM

Funny how it made sense just fine to me.. your inability to interpret a post is a self-imposed mental block.

Nope, wrong as usual.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 04:57 PM

Nope, wrong as usual.

There's no helping someone who is in denial about his problems. Quite an impediment to rational discussion.

Edited by zaibatsu, 20 February 2013 - 04:58 PM.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:17 PM

There's no helping someone who is in denial about his problems. Quite an impediment to rational discussion.

Hilarious, given your past posts.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 05:43 PM

Hilarious, given your past posts.

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So you're implying we're the same. :lol:
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:03 PM

So you're implying we're the same. :lol:

Nope, I actually know what I am posting about.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 07:37 PM

Pathetic pro gunners stating Matt Damon is pro control and against the second. Nice strawman. He stated he didn't like firearms... in 2003 and that was it. First, his opinion may have changed since then. Second, I've looked for articles where he discusses HIS thought on control and feelings against the second and there's nothing. None, zip, naada. Pro-gun douchebags reaching at the bottom of the barrel it seems.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

Nope, I actually know what I am posting about.

ROFL

Pathetic pro gunners stating Matt Damon is pro control and against the second. Nice strawman. He stated he didn't like firearms... in 2003 and that was it. First, his opinion may have changed since then. Second, I've looked for articles where he discusses HIS thought on control and feelings against the second and there's nothing. None, zip, naada. Pro-gun douchebags reaching at the bottom of the barrel it seems.

I don't really put much stock into celebrities when it comes to political positions.

It's the same thing with pundits.

People get upset at Nugent, or O'Reilly, or Olbermann, or Maher, or Rush, or whoever, to me using any of these people as part of one's position "against" is a convenient straw man.

Was the same thing about that weirdo British guy Piers Morgan, I never even heard of the guy until he shot his mouth off on guns, but even then, crazy people with no concept of the second amendment like him who have a popular face on TV shouldn't be defining to me one way or the other about forming an opinion. tl;dr-> don't give two craps what they think.

Edited by zaibatsu, 20 February 2013 - 08:28 PM.

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 10:17 AM

Hah, I'm pretty sure the first few sentences here speak for itself:

http://hotair.com/ar...n-in-obamacare/

By golly, Nancy Pelosi was right — they didn’t know what was in ObamaCare until it passed! Of course, in this case all she needed to do was ask her buddy Harry Reid, who apparently sandbagged his party’s gun-control wing by inserting an interesting clause in the 2800-page bill that no one in Congress bothered to read before voting on it. CNN’s Jim Acosta reveals the restriction on firearms-registration data collection built into the 2010 law:



The reason Reid inserted this clause, CNN reports without ever having actually talked to Reid (he declined comment), was to make the NRA “benign” in the ObamaCare fight — and to push back against “conspiracy theorists” who claimed that the bill would allow Barack Obama to start grabbing guns. Hey, that would never happen, right? Sure.
In any case, this isn’t that much of a bar on Congressional action. What can be done in this manner can be undone in the same manner. I’d keep an eye on any thousand-page bill rushed to the floor in this session to see if Reid reverses course.




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