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#1 janisahockeynut

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:21 AM

First off, lets admit the Luongo contract is an Albatross for who ever has him, strickly on length. Secondly, lets accept that Luo is a top end goalie and not get caught arguing exactly where he ranks. We can also accept he is getting managed, but in saying that he has played well anyways!

So then lets accept that Gillis wants alot for him...........maybe too much??? But in the end will probably be worth it to any team that needs him.

My proposal is again with Washington and gives them total flexibility in designing the trade, but will make us stronger now and in the future.

To Vancouver: A choice of Brooks Laich or Troy Brower
A choice of Marcus Johansson, F.Forsberg, Tom Wison or a 2013 1st (Our choice)
A choice of Goalies Neuvirth or Holtby (Our Choice)
A choice of John Carlson or Karl Alzner (Their Choice)
2014 2nd

To Washngton: Luongo
Ballard
A choice of K.Connauton,A. Rodin, Sauve, Cannata (Their Choice)
2014 or 2015 1st (Their Choice)

* I think you have to be creative and there is risk on both sides. The best player traded is defiently Luongo. It is 2 roster player for 3 and it strengthens us, now and in the future. It addresses Washingtons need for a top end goalie, and for the future. What do you think?

Edited by zcaptain, 31 January 2013 - 11:22 AM.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:30 AM

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Yes you have to give to get, so why aren't the Canucks giving?
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:32 AM

hahah, you may want to use some lube on Washington to get that one past GMGM. So lopsided in Vancouvers favor its not even funny
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:48 AM

Washington isnt that dumb
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

we would have to at least at Gaunce to that....
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:53 AM

hahah, you may want to use some lube on Washington to get that one past GMGM. So lopsided in Vancouvers favor its not even funny

Not that I object to your point, but here is my thinking.....don't mind counter points if you want! Thanks

Laich or Brower and Carlson or Alzner = Luongo + ( Someone suggest Gaunce)
Neivirth or Holty = Ballard
Their 2014 2nd = KC, Rodin, Sauve, or Cannata

Only one I can see as questionable is:
Johansson/Forsberg/Wilson/or 2013 for Canucks 2014 or 2015

Make adjustments please or just flame ........but I would rather give me your reasoning

Edited by zcaptain, 31 January 2013 - 11:55 AM.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:59 AM

Not that I object to your point, but here is my thinking.....don't mind counter points if you want! Thanks

Laich or Brower and Carlson or Alzner = Luongo + ( Someone suggest Gaunce)
Neivirth or Holty = Ballard
Their 2014 2nd = KC, Rodin, Sauve, or Cannata

Only one I can see as questionable is:
Johansson/Forsberg/Wilson/or 2013 for Canucks 2014 or 2015

Make adjustments please or just flame ........but I would rather give me your reasoning


There is so much wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 12:01 PM

Carlsson > Luongo alone
Alzner = Luongo (or close)


Yes Luongo is a proven goaltender, but he's also 33 with a 10 year contract.


Halak fetch Lars Eller, Ian Schultz and Aaron Palsuhaj. No Halak is not Luongo, but he did makes some mircales and brought the Habs to the East Finals. Plus, STL knew his new contract would be relatively cheap.

Impact goaltender has less value than an equivalent impact forward/defenseman.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:09 PM

Edited for what you provided

To Vancouver:
Troy Brower
Marcus Johansson
Neuvirth
2014 5th

To Washngton:
Luongo
Raymond
K.Connauton
2014 2nd


What i'd try to get

To Van
Johansson
Forsberg
Poti
Ward or brower


To WSH
Luongo
Raymond or booth
1st 2014
Tanev or K.Connauton


WSH gets, #1 Goalie, and 2nd line winger scoring winger. 1st 2014 draft pick, & Up and coming "D", sheds some salary
VAN get #2/3 centre, future (swedish) star prospect, #2/3 grinding winger

Luongo = Johanson, Ward

Raymond & 1st = Forsberg

Tanev > Poti (due to potential)
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:10 PM

Carlsson > Luongo alone
Alzner = Luongo (or close)


Yes Luongo is a proven goaltender, but he's also 33 with a 10 year contract.


Halak fetch Lars Eller, Ian Schultz and Aaron Palsuhaj. No Halak is not Luongo, but he did makes some mircales and brought the Habs to the East Finals. Plus, STL knew his new contract would be relatively cheap.

Impact goaltender has less value than an equivalent impact forward/defenseman.

Thanks Timerz21......I guess where my confusion is that Gillis has suggested a roster player, a prospect and a draft pick for Luongo, and admittedly he hasn't found that trade yet, but Washington has to be getting close, IMO. So what he is suggesting is that Luongo isn't a traditional goalie for trade, but more franchise like????I think! That being said Gillis has been wrong before, how wrong? Does that mean that is a Roster player and a prospect or Roster and 2013 1st? Is it a 2nd liner or a 2/3 defenceman and a prospect, there is lots of Risk in prospects and draft choices, even after they make the NHL....Luongo is a proven allstar and Vezina finalist...How much is that worth?

And Ballard would play top for 4 on 3/4 of the teams out there, and again arguably, he is playing that for us now. Gaunce is a furure 2 line centre at the very least, and is having a great year in the OHL ( was even sure I wanted to include him)

It would be a complicated trade for sure, with lots of risk on bothsides, but I am not asking for the whole team, just somewhere between what Gillis wants and the roster + prospect.....somewhere in between?????? The rest is for the future.

Not that I object to your point, but here is my thinking.....don't mind counter points if you want! Thanks

Brower and Alzner = Luongo
Neivirth < Ballard
Their 2014 2nd = KC, Sauve, or Cannata

Only one I can see as questionable is:
Johansson/Forsberg/Wilson/or 2013 for Canucks 2014 or 2015 ( Their Choice )

*Wiilson = Canuck 2014 at the very least and it is their choice

Make adjustments please or just flame ........but I would rather give me your reasoning


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:13 PM

Edited for what you provided

To Vancouver:
Troy Brower
Marcus Johansson
Neuvirth
2014 5th

To Washngton:
Luongo
Raymond
K.Connauton
2014 2nd


What i'd try to get

To Van
Johansson
Forsberg
Poti
Ward or brower


To WSH
Luongo
Raymond or booth
1st 2014
Tanev or K.Connauton


WSH gets, #1 Goalie, and 2nd line winger scoring winger. 1st 2014 draft pick, & Up and coming "D", sheds some salary
VAN get #2/3 centre, future (swedish) star prospect, #2/3 grinding winger

Luongo = Johanson, Ward

Raymond & 1st = Forsberg

Tanev > Poti (due to potential)

I like yours, but would keep Tanev and give KC and take Brower and I think we need a goalie back. I think I would go with my second prosal...take a look at that one and give me you opinion...

Edited by zcaptain, 31 January 2013 - 01:25 PM.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:21 PM

So what are the differences between Ward and Brower....I know Brower better, don't know much about Ward
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:49 PM

Pikachu I choose you!
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:06 PM

Ward Forsberg Sabourin 1st

Luo Nauts Mayray
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:15 PM

I'm gonna get flamed for this but:

To Wash:
- Luongo
- Raymond

To Vancouver
- Green
- Neuvirth

Washington is hurting, need goaltending and a decent winger. They have the depth to give up Green (I'd rather have Carlson but a shutdown D would make my next step make less sense) and a roster shakeup might be what they need.

To Toronto
- Edler
- Booth
- Higgins
- 2013 2nd

To Van
- Kessel
- Steckel

TO fans seem to want Kessel gone, he might flourish where he isn't the one and only offensive star. Steckel is cheap, huge and pretty decent at faceoffs. It hurts to lose Edler but we need another RH dman and the other d have no trade clauses, I don't think Eddies has kicked in yet.

Waive Alberts and Ebbett

Sedin Sedin Kassian
Burrows Kesler Kessel
Steckel Schroeder Hansen
Weise Malhotra Lapierre
Volpatti

Garrison Green
Hamhuis Bieksa
Ballard Tanev
Barker

Schneider
Neuvirth
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 02:47 AM

Keep it simple.

Schneider for Johansen, Neuvirth and either Forsberg or a 1st pick.

Canucks get more Swedish talent, are more solidified down the middle and get a backup, plus some help for the future. Johansen would fill the 3rd line center role perfectly (40 point player) in between Raymond and Hansen or even Schroeder.

Meanwhile we keep the better goalie in Luongo, Washington get a goalie who wants to really prove himself as a #1 guy.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:47 AM

^^^^
Schneider will not get you all that I would think more

Schneider for Johanson and a 2nd I would rather trade schneids for Ryan Johanson in Columbus one for one
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:16 PM

Keep it simple.

Schneider for Johansen, Neuvirth and either Forsberg or a 1st pick.

Canucks get more Swedish talent, are more solidified down the middle and get a backup, plus some help for the future. Johansen would fill the 3rd line center role perfectly (40 point player) in between Raymond and Hansen or even Schroeder.

Meanwhile we keep the better goalie in Luongo, Washington get a goalie who wants to really prove himself as a #1 guy.


Dat CDC overvaluing.
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