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Posted 31 January 2013 - 07:36 PM




Report: IAF strike in Syria hit Iranian Guards

Iraqi paper quotes source as saying alleged Israeli strike caused heavy casualties among Iranian Guards stationed at Syrian facility.

Iraqi daily Azzaman quoted a Western diplomatic source as saying Thursday that the alleged Israeli attack on Syria reported on Wednesday caused heavy casualties among special Iranian Guards stationed at the Syrian facility. The source also said that the attack took place more than 48 hours before it was reported, eventually being leaked by Israel.

The source for the story, who was interviewed by the paper in London, said that the report about a strike on a convoy to Lebanon was probably meant to divert attention away from the main objective of the operation, which used F-16 aircraft to fire at least eight guided missiles at the facility.....

http://www.jpost.com....aspx?id=301751



Israel hits Syria arms convoy going to Lebanon

Israeli planes bombed a convoy near Syria's border with Lebanon, sources told Reuters, apparently targeting weapons destined for Hezbollah in what some called a warning to Damascus not to arm the Lebanese enemy.

Syrian state television accused Israel of bombing a military research centre at Jamraya, between Damascus and the nearby border, but Syrian rebels disputed that, saying their forces had attacked the site. No source spoke of a second Israeli strike.

The raid followed warnings from Israel that it was ready to act to prevent the revolt against President Bashar al-Assad leading to Syria's chemical weapons and modern rockets reaching either his Hezbollah allies or his Islamist enemies.

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Syria, Iran threaten retaliation against Israel

Threat follows airstrike targeting Syrian scientific research complex


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Syria is threatening to retaliate for an Israeli airstrike and its ally Iran says there will be repercussions for the Jewish state over the attack.

On Thursday Syria sent a letter to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon stressing the country's "right to defend itself, its territory and sovereignty" and holding Israel and its supporters accountable.

"Israel and those who protect it at the Security Council are fully responsible for the repercussions of this aggression," the letter from Syria's Foreign Ministry said.

U.S. officials said Israel launched a rare airstrike inside Syria on Wednesday. The target was a convoy believed to be carrying anti-aircraft weapons bound for Hezbollah, the powerful Lebanese militant group allied with Syria and Iran.

In Israel, a legislator close to hardline Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stopped short of confirming involvement in the strike. But he hinted that Israel could carry out similar missions in the future.


International condemnation

The attack has inflamed regional tensions already running high over Syria's 22-month-old civil war.


Israeli leaders in the days leading up to the airstrike had been publicly expressing concern that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad may be losing his grip on the country and its arsenal of conventional and non-conventional weapons.

Regional security officials said Wednesday that the targeted shipment included sophisticated Russian-made SA-17 anti-aircraft missiles, which if acquired by Hezbollah would enhance its military capabilities by enabling the militants to shoot down Israeli jets, helicopters and surveillance drones.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief the media.
The Syrian military denied there was any weapons convoy and said low-flying Israeli jets had crossed into their country over the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights to bomb a scientific research centre near Damascus.

It said the target was in the area of Jamraya, northwest of Damascus and about 15 kilometres from the Lebanese border.

'Well-known' centre for making weapons

Maj.-Gen. Abdul-Aziz Jassem al-Shallal, who in December became one of the most senior Syrian army officers to defect, told The Associated Press by telephone from Turkey that the site they said was targeted is a "major and well-known" centre to develop weapons, a complex known as the Scientific Research Centre.

Al-Shallal, who until his defection was commander of the military police, said no chemical or non-conventional weapons are at the site. He added that foreign experts, including Russians and Iranians, are usually present at such centres.

The Syrian ambassador to Lebanon, Ali Abdul-Karim Ali, threatened retribution for the Israeli airstrike, saying Damascus "has the option and the capacity to surprise in retaliation."
He told Hezbollah's al-Ahd news website that it was up to the relevant authorities to prepare the retaliation and choose the time and place.

The Syrian Foreign Ministry summoned Maj.-Gen. Iqbal Singh Singha, the head of mission and force commander for United Nations Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) on the Golan Heights, to complain about the Israeli violation.

UN chief watching reports with 'grave concern'

The force was established in 1974 following the disengagement of Israeli and Syrian forces in the area and has remained there since to maintain the cease-fire. Israel captured the Golan, a strategic plateau, from Syria in the 1967 Middle East war.

At UN headquarters in New York, deputy UN spokesman Eduardo del Buey said: "UNDOF did not observe any planes flying over the area of separation, and therefore was not able to confirm the incident." UNDOF also reported bad weather conditions, he said.

A statement from UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon's office noted "with grave concern" the reports of the Israeli airstrikes in Syria, and called for cooler heads to prevail.

"The secretary general calls on all concerned to prevent tensions or their escalation in the region, and to strictly abide by international law, in particular in respect of territorial integrity and sovereignty of all countries in the region," the statement said.

Hezbollah condemned the attack as "barbaric aggression" and said it "expresses full solidarity with Syria's command, army and people."

The group did not mention any weapons convoy in the statement but said the strike aimed to prevent Arab and Muslim forces from developing their military capabilities.

In Iran, the semi-official Fars news agency quoted Deputy Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian as saying the raid will have significant implications for Israel.

'Unprovoked attack'

Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi condemned the airstrike on state television, calling it a clear violation of Syrian sovereignty. Iran is Syria's strongest ally in the Middle East, and has provided Assad's government with military and political backing for years.

Russia, Syria's most important international ally, said this appeared to be an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation. Moscow said it was taking urgent measures to clarify the situation in all its details.
"If this information is confirmed, we have a case of unprovoked attacks on targets in the territory of a sovereign state, which grossly violates the UN Charter and is unacceptable," Russia's Foreign Ministry said in a statement. "Whatever the motives, this is not justified."

Israeli legislator Tzachi Hanegbi, who is close to Prime Minister Netanyahu, said pinpoint strikes are not enough to counter the threat of Hezbollah obtaining sophisticated weaponry from Syria.
"Israel's preference would be if a Western entity would control these weapons systems," Hanegbi said. "But because it appears the world is not prepared to do what was done in Libya or other places, then Israel finds itself like it has many times in the past facing a dilemma that only it knows how to respond to," he added.

He was referring to NATO's 2011 military intervention in Libya that helped oust dictator Moammar Gadhafi.

"Even if there are reports about pinpoint operations, these are not significant solutions to the threat itself because we are talking about very substantial capabilities that could reach Hezbollah," he said.

Israel relocates missile defence

Syria's civil war has sapped Assad's power and threatens to deprive Hezbollah of a key supporter. Syria and Iran provide Hezbollah with the bulk of its funding and arms.
Earlier this week, Netanyahu warned of the dangers of Syria's "deadly weapons," saying the country is "increasingly coming apart."

The same day, Israel moved a battery of its new "Iron Dome" rocket defence system to the northern city of Haifa, which was battered by Hezbollah rocket fire in the 2006 war. The Israeli army called that move "routine."

The Israeli army won't say whether Iron Dome was sent north in connection to this operation. It does note that it has deployed the system in the north before.

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...h-reaction.html



Israel may feel need to strike Syria again

BEIRUT (AP) -- An Israeli air attack staged in Syria this week may be a sign of things to come.
Israeli military officials appear to have concluded that the risks of attacking Syria are worth taking when compared to the dangers of allowing sophisticated weapons to reach Hezbollah guerrillas in neighboring Lebanon....

http://hosted.ap.org...-01-31-17-55-58


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:17 PM

We live in a global lawless society. There is no "international law" that applies to Israel or any other country with it's hand in a majority of pies.

"Law" applies only to those without the political or economic clout to deter prosecution.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:23 PM

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And what the US needs to do in this situation...is back the **** off. This isn't our problem, keep us the hell out of it. Israel is big enough to take care of itself now...they don't need anyone holding their hand. If they piss off Syria and Iran and get annihilated, so be it.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:51 PM

And what the US needs to do in this situation...is back the **** off. This isn't our problem, keep us the hell out of it. Israel is big enough to take care of itself now...they don't need anyone holding their hand. If they piss off Syria and Iran and get annihilated, so be it.


But you are aware that United States is going to stick their nose into this right? There's no way they are backing off. If they do bakc off Israel is pretty much done. Even if Syria rightfully retaliates and or defend themselves, they will alter the story that, their air fighters were shot down in their air space or something. Which then the United States will side with their story and attack Syria, Or Iran. It's a crap hole situation right now.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:56 PM

But you are aware that United States is going to stick their nose into this right? There's no way they are backing off. If they do bakc off Israel is pretty much done. Even if Syria rightfully retaliates and or defend themselves, they will alter the story that, their air fighters were shot down in their air space or something. Which then the United States will side with their story and attack Syria, Or Iran. It's a crap hole situation right now.


I am very much aware. I said that's what they NEED to do. Israel is not our problem...and it's time we let them fight their own battles.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:09 PM

If the US wants to get involved, let them put John "Prisoner of War Hero" McCain and Linsday "Have I Pee'd My Pants Yet" Graham into an old bomber and send them into the abyss ..
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:24 PM

But you are aware that United States is going to stick their nose into this right? There's no way they are backing off. If they do bakc off Israel is pretty much done. Even if Syria rightfully retaliates and or defend themselves, they will alter the story that, their air fighters were shot down in their air space or something. Which then the United States will side with their story and attack Syria, Or Iran. It's a crap hole situation right now.

As opposed to the harmonious situation it generally is?
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:50 PM

Maybe Assad should pursue this and appear before the UN....errrr wait, there's that whole genocide he's currently committing against his own people.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 10:16 PM

Maybe Assad should pursue this and appear before the UN....errrr wait, there's that whole genocide he's currently committing against his own people.


oh yeah the "genocide". the ignorance of the syrian war is extreme

by most estimates after 2 years of war 40-60k have died. Of those 1/3 were syrian soldiers, 1/3 were armed rebel combatants, and 1/3 were civilians. Of those civilians a large numbers in the majorities were "pro government civilians" directly targeted by the same terrorists in direct suicide car bombings, mass killings, executions in allawite/christians/druze neighbourhoods.

The most succesfull rebel group Jabhat al-nusra 10 000+ strong has been designated even by the US as terrorists. they are already imposing violent sharia in conquered terrritory

Tens of thousands of parasite jihadi's (exact same ones US was fighting in iraq/afghanistan) have poured into syria seeking jihad and an "islamic state" Their numbers have swelled by local syrians because syria itself is a major source of islamic extremists (a large number of al qaeda insurgents in iraq were from syria)

The syrian government has large numbers of supporters. almost universal support among allawites, christians, druze and significant numbers of liberal/secular sunni's. The kurds are neutral but hate the rebels more. The rebels are predominantly made up of conservative sunnis/EXtremist al qaeda linked militants.


Personally speaking, because i have personally followed the syrian civil war from day one detail by detail. I started out strongly cheering for what i thought were democracy seekers. Undoubtly assad has opponents (he has supporters too). But that phase is loooooooooooooooooong gone. Anyone with even remote knowledge of that conflict knows that.

At this point, i am cheering on assad to eradicate the the Jihadi's, Al nusra brigade, and all their allies to the last man. the syrian people just want this conflict to stop and get on with their lives. No real syrian citizen has any interest in endless conflict, blowing up their own houses, neighbourhoods, universities, churches, mosques, infastructure, electrical grids to achieve a supposed political goal. Only hearltess jihadi animals engage in this behaviour.

But dont let a dose of reality ever distract you (general israeli apologists) from ever trying to immidiatly change a subject and take focus away from your wrongdoings. Like grossly violating any international law known to humanbeings and blatantly attacking sovereign states and crying why they become radicalized afterwards.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:47 PM

Weren't people clamouring for the international community to do something about Syria? Now Israel decides to do a little (albeit for their own purpose as well) and now people are complaining that the uprising is a domestic issue, thus no outside interference is required.
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 11:52 PM

Weren't people clamouring for the international community to do something about Syria? Now Israel decides to do a little (albeit for their own purpose as well) and now people are complaining that the uprising is a domestic issue, thus no outside interference is required.


my earlier point proven.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:27 AM

oh yeah the "genocide". the ignorance of the syrian war is extreme

by most estimates after 2 years of war 40-60k have died. Of those 1/3 were syrian soldiers, 1/3 were armed rebel combatants, and 1/3 were civilians. Of those civilians a large numbers in the majorities were "pro government civilians" directly targeted by the same terrorists in direct suicide car bombings, mass killings, executions in allawite/christians/druze neighbourhoods.

The most succesfull rebel group Jabhat al-nusra 10 000+ strong has been designated even by the US as terrorists. they are already imposing violent sharia in conquered terrritory

Tens of thousands of parasite jihadi's (exact same ones US was fighting in iraq/afghanistan) have poured into syria seeking jihad and an "islamic state" Their numbers have swelled by local syrians because syria itself is a major source of islamic extremists (a large number of al qaeda insurgents in iraq were from syria)

The syrian government has large numbers of supporters. almost universal support among allawites, christians, druze and significant numbers of liberal/secular sunni's. The kurds are neutral but hate the rebels more. The rebels are predominantly made up of conservative sunnis/EXtremist al qaeda linked militants.


Personally speaking, because i have personally followed the syrian civil war from day one detail by detail. I started out strongly cheering for what i thought were democracy seekers. Undoubtly assad has opponents (he has supporters too). But that phase is loooooooooooooooooong gone. Anyone with even remote knowledge of that conflict knows that.

At this point, i am cheering on assad to eradicate the the Jihadi's, Al nusra brigade, and all their allies to the last man. the syrian people just want this conflict to stop and get on with their lives. No real syrian citizen has any interest in endless conflict, blowing up their own houses, neighbourhoods, universities, churches, mosques, infastructure, electrical grids to achieve a supposed political goal. Only hearltess jihadi animals engage in this behaviour.

But dont let a dose of reality ever distract you (general israeli apologists) from ever trying to immidiatly change a subject and take focus away from your wrongdoings. Like grossly violating any international law known to humanbeings and blatantly attacking sovereign states and crying why they become radicalized afterwards.


If only there were some political means for Assad to stop all this...oh yeah, just call an election. When the protests broke out, he decided to use military force. This militirized the population. The country has been infiltrated by islamists, but the biggest component of the rebels remains former soldiers in the Syrian army.

The truth of the mattter is that Syria has lost control over large parts of its country. There is no police or even organized government in many parts. It's now become a hub for smuggling weapons from Iran. Nothing will come of this strike by Israel, becuase everyone knows exactly what is going on.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:42 AM

If only there were some political means for Assad to stop all this...oh yeah, just call an election. When the protests broke out, he decided to use military force. This militirized the population. The country has been infiltrated by islamists, but the biggest component of the rebels remains former soldiers in the Syrian army.

The truth of the mattter is that Syria has lost control over large parts of its country. There is no police or even organized government in many parts. It's now become a hub for smuggling weapons from Iran. Nothing will come of this strike by Israel, becuase everyone knows exactly what is going on.


now it's just getting embarassing. Please man do everyone a favour, and do 10 minutes of research before posting strong opinions.

you really think that salafi sunni extremist (the ideology that gave birth to al qaeda, taliban, and just about every other al qaeda linked terrorist group) can be negotiated with? you think al nusra brigade can be negotiated with?


the west has tried every incentive to unite the so called "rebels" into a semi cohesive barely tolerable fighting unit. They tried every incentive like paying them salaries, promising them weapons,and internationally recognizing them.

"the syrian national council" was the first attempt. the "syrian national coalition" was the second attempt. All has failed misreably because the actual fighters doing the fighint are jihadi's hell bent on islamic states. They just mock the western "hotel warriors" sitting in 5 star turkish hotels, besides western diplomats in suits, and telling a jihadi engaged in street fights what to do. They are literally laughing at these people.

what you propose is unrealistic and has been ttried to death,

the rebels are not a united entity to negotiate with. assad has tried negotiating with the moderate elements, but the extremist elements that call the shots will never allow it.

There is a reason why syria (iran's number one ally) is all but being ignored by the west, except token occaisional media condemnations.

As russia said " the west quietly is praying we veto their un security council votes"

the 2 realistic options that remain for syria are:

1. a secular socially mild dictator who has widespread support of virtually all minortiies and secular syrians.

2. A fanatical jihadi uprising spearheadd by the most vile, disgusting animals known to mankind. they have vowed to wipe syria clean of all alawites and are already doing exactly that in conquered territory.

no other fantasy scenario of people holding hands, singing kumbaya and rejoicing at "democracy" will come out of this. That is reality my friend.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that syria is far far far faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrr better off under dr. assad, then the unimaginable alternative

lets stop distracting from the actual subject of the post please. Blatant israeli aggression

Edited by sam13371337, 01 February 2013 - 09:44 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:04 AM

now it's just getting embarassing. Please man do everyone a favour, and do 10 minutes of research before posting strong opinions.

you really think that salafi sunni extremist (the ideology that gave birth to al qaeda, taliban, and just about every other al qaeda linked terrorist group) can be negotiated with? you think al nusra brigade can be negotiated with?


the west has tried every incentive to unite the so called "rebels" into a semi cohesive barely tolerable fighting unit. They tried every incentive like paying them salaries, promising them weapons,and internationally recognizing them.

"the syrian national council" was the first attempt. the "syrian national coalition" was the second attempt. All has failed misreably because the actual fighters doing the fighint are jihadi's hell bent on islamic states. They just mock the western "hotel warriors" sitting in 5 star turkish hotels, besides western diplomats in suits, and telling a jihadi engaged in street fights what to do. They are literally laughing at these people.

what you propose is unrealistic and has been ttried to death,

the rebels are not a united entity to negotiate with. assad has tried negotiating with the moderate elements, but the extremist elements that call the shots will never allow it.

There is a reason why syria (iran's number one ally) is all but being ignored by the west, except token occaisional media condemnations.

As russia said " the west quietly is praying we veto their un security council votes"

the 2 realistic options that remain for syria are:

1. a secular socially mild dictator who has widespread support of virtually all minortiies and secular syrians.

2. A fanatical jihadi uprising spearheadd by the most vile, disgusting animals known to mankind. they have vowed to wipe syria clean of all alawites and are already doing exactly that in conquered territory.

no other fantasy scenario of people holding hands, singing kumbaya and rejoicing at "democracy" will come out of this. That is reality my friend.

I can tell you with 100% certainty that syria is far far far faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrr better off under dr. assad, then the unimaginable alternative

lets stop distracting from the actual subject of the post please. Blatant israeli aggression


Who cares if the rebels are united or not. Assad is the only one with the power to stop this. Step down and call an election. In what way has that " unrealistic and has been ttried to death"....I must have missed all those previous attempts at elections in Syria.

Syria is being ignored by the West, because they are Russia's greatest ally in the region. The West cannot do anything about the situation as long as Russia is unconditionally backing Assad. The US would love nothing more than to have another puppet government neighbouring Iran and Israel. The US has been labelling Syria as a part of the "axis of evil" for many years, and would love to finally get to them.

The only thing that is embarrassing here is you constantly towing this Western domination conspiracy theory and applying it to every situation in the world. Also, your grammar is downright embarrassing. If you want to come across as a serious poster on the issue, please start organizing your thoughts into sentences and paragraphs. The way you are frantically posting, without taking the time to capitalize or use punctuation in your sentences, makes you seem like you are posting from a bunker with a tin foil hat on.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:37 AM

Who cares if the rebels are united or not.

who cares?? hmmm the syrian nation perhaps? having gangs of armed men running around with no centralized command and mass looting all over the place is not a desirable scenario. (daily syrian life)

Assad is the only one with the power to stop this.

You are absolutely correct. Assad has the power to stop this by using brute force the smash the jihadi's into oblivion, and protect the syrian people from these vile animals.

Step down and call an election. In what way has that " unrealistic and has been ttried to death"....I must have missed all those previous attempts at elections in Syria.


an election was scheduled for, the jihadi's rejected it. not that syrian government takes orders from jihadi's, or random CDC posters sitting in their computer desks at home, but for assad to step down, it would be counter productive and would solve nothing.

assad resigning will not satisfy jihadi demands. the jihadi's (who are doing the actual fighting with success; not the hotel warriors in turkey) are hell bent on sharia/islamic states. They have even denounced moderate rebel factions have started attacking kurds in ras-al-ain regions.

Syria is being ignored by the West, because they are Russia's greatest ally in the region. The West cannot do anything about the situation as long as Russia is unconditionally backing Assad. The US would love nothing more than to have another puppet government neighbouring Iran and Israel. The US has been labelling Syria as a part of the "axis of evil" for many years, and would love to finally get to them.

saddam husseins relationship with russia was far bigger/closer then syria's relationship. That didnt prevent bush from smashing iraq into peices. And iraq was bigger/ probably stronger then syria. so im not buying the whole russian ally angle, especially since russia has specifically said they will not get involved in the war, and havent been all that impassionate in their defense of assad.

The only thing that is embarrassing here is you constantly towing this Western domination conspiracy theory and applying it to every situation in the world.


oh the old, you are against israeli/neocon policy you must be anti-western, anti-freedom, pro-terrorist, pro-al qaeda argument. Never seems to fail. I Should go and check my family background, and re-immigrate back to my place of origin as well? cause i sense the whole omgzz you hate the west go live in saudi arabia argument coming up

Also, your grammar is downright embarrassing. If you want to come across as a serious poster on the issue, please start organizing your thoughts into sentences and paragraphs. The way you are frantically posting, without taking the time to capitalize or use punctuation in your sentences, makes you seem like you are posting from a bunker with a tin foil hat on.


the actual content of your arguments have been shattered, and the whole "omg your grammar is no good, you is no smart" argument has started i guess.

sorry for not taking the time to meticulously proof-read, spell/grammar check, and put all the commas and preiods into a quick internet post on a forum. just so some guy can think i am smart.

i try to express myself in coherent manner that can be easily understood. I dont worry too much about having 100% perfect spelling, and going out of my way not to miss a comma, dot or apostrophe in a forum post.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:25 AM

I am very much aware. I said that's what they NEED to do. Israel is not our problem...and it's time we let them fight their own battles.


I wonder if Israel feels just a tad guilty about dragging the US or any other country into their war for their own preemptive and unauthorized attacks. Or do all ethical considerations go completely down the crapper in time of war?
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:33 AM

who cares?? hmmm the syrian nation perhaps? having gangs of armed men running around with no centralized command and mass looting all over the place is not a desirable scenario. (daily syrian life)


You are absolutely correct. Assad has the power to stop this by using brute force the smash the jihadi's into oblivion, and protect the syrian people from these vile animals.


Or Assad could just stop being a dictator and step down.

an election was scheduled for, the jihadi's rejected it. not that syrian government takes orders from jihadi's, or random CDC posters sitting in their computer desks at home, but for assad to step down, it would be counter productive and would solve nothing.

assad resigning will not satisfy jihadi demands. the jihadi's (who are doing the actual fighting with success; not the hotel warriors in turkey) are hell bent on sharia/islamic states. They have even denounced moderate rebel factions have started attacking kurds in ras-al-ain regions.


Jihadis...

There are jihadi elements, but the majority of the rebels are former army officers. They joined the rebels after refusing to open obey orders that involved opening fire on their own population.

saddam husseins relationship with russia was far bigger/closer then syria's relationship. That didnt prevent bush from smashing iraq into peices. And iraq was bigger/ probably stronger then syria. so im not buying the whole russian ally angle, especially since russia has specifically said they will not get involved in the war, and havent been all that impassionate in their defense of assad.


No, not at all. Russian and Iraqi relations were nothing special compared to what Russia and Syria have. Iraq also invaded Kuwait, which led to the initial invasion.

Take a look at Syria's arsenal. It's beyond extensive and supplied entirely by Russia. Syria has over 300 MIG fighter jets in operation, and one of the most extensive anti-aircraft missile defence systems in the world.

But once again, no one is talking about a military invasion of Syria. No one wants to get involved in that mess. My point was merely that if Assad stepped down and held elections instead of engaging his own populace in large scale warfare, things would be better than they are now in Syria.


oh the old, you are against israeli/neocon policy you must be anti-western, anti-freedom, pro-terrorist, pro-al qaeda argument. Never seems to fail. I Should go and check my family background, and re-immigrate back to my place of origin as well? cause i sense the whole omgzz you hate the west go live in saudi arabia argument coming up


We're talking about free elections here. No one is promoting an invasion. In what way is that Neo-con?

the actual content of your arguments have been shattered, and the whole "omg your grammar is no good, you is no smart" argument has started i guess.

sorry for not taking the time to meticulously proof-read, spell/grammar check, and put all the commas and preiods into a quick internet post on a forum. just so some guy can think i am smart.

i try to express myself in coherent manner that can be easily understood. I dont worry too much about having 100% perfect spelling, and going out of my way not to miss a comma, dot or apostrophe in a forum post.


I'm not one to call people out on grammar or spelling mistakes. Your grammar is, however, extreme. There is a difference between "100% perfect spelling" and taking the time to capitalize and punctuate your sentences. You're communicating entirely in the written word here.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:36 AM

These extremists, for the most part, who are fomenting this civil war, are the ones John McCain, and his bum-buddy Square Pants Lindsay, want the US and International community to provide with arms and support ..

Hey John .. can you say "Tah-li-ban" .. learn from history or repeat it ..
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 11:49 AM

These extremists, for the most part, who are fomenting this civil war, are the ones John McCain, and his bum-buddy Square Pants Lindsay, want the US and International community to provide with arms and support ..

Hey John .. can you say "Tah-li-ban" .. learn from history or repeat it ..


The US has not given the people you are talking about weapons for many decades now. The rebels in Syria are using almost exclusively Soviet made small arms. The majority have been taken from the Syrian army themselves.

http://www.guardian....ebels-rivalries
http://www.reuters.c...E8BG0FK20121217

The main supporters of Jihadists, currently, are the Saudis, not America. The Saudis have a vested intereste in exporting Wahhabism to the entire world.

http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:11 PM

Or Assad could just stop being a dictator and step down.¸


way to completely change the subject and leave an important point unanswered.. Who cares the rebels are not united? shall i repeat why its important not to have islamic salafi gangs running around mass looting/mass killing? having someone like assad around is far far more desirable.

the syrian government is not a 1 man regime. thats one of the reasons it has stayed intact through all this pressure. Assad to go would solve absolutely nothing. the only thing it would do is demoralize his very large support base who genuinely support him and want him to defeat this terrorist invasion. and satisfy israel.


in light of these facts, Assad should abandon his country, abandon his people and let the jihadi's who are commiting mass atrocities and have threatened and are active commiting ethnic cleansing against allawi's and certain christians/druze to continue?

Assad stepping down does not end the war. It makes it 100x times more brutal. It will no longer be a war, but a massacre.


Jihadis...

There are jihadi elements, but the majority of the rebels are former army officers. They joined the rebels after refusing to open obey orders that involved opening fire on their own population.


omg...............................................................................

THE SINGLE BIGGEST REASON THE SYRIAN REGIME IS STANDING IS BECAUSE THE SYRIAN OFFICER CORPS FOR THE MOST PART ARE MADE UP OF ALLAWITE OFFICERS FIERCELY LOYAL TO ASSAD. AND ARE FIERCELY FIGHTING FOR THEIR OWN LIVES, HOMES, FAMILIES BECAUSE THE JIHADI's DO NOT TAKE ALLAWITE PRISONERS AND HAVE THREATENED THEM WITH EXTERMINATION.

there are examples of a few sunni officers defecting, and for the most part foot soldier conscripts. The defections came in a large chunk in the early stages when people were picking sides. people have now picked their sides. There might be a few opportunistic people sensing greener pastures who might jump ship now, but for the most part the defections have stopped, and syrian soldiers have become extremely radicilized as a result of the rebel no prisoner policy and are far more inclined to fight to the death.

its amazing just how you make strong opinions on an issue you seem to be absolutely clueless about

but please, do try and continue to take focuse away from the actual subject of the thread: Blatant israeli aggression against a sovereign state.

ps. the russian angle is outright laughable, it goes against everything thats coming out of moscow, and past events (yugoslavia, iraq, vietnam korea if you want to go back further). Im not even going to try and get into this whole new argument that somehow its about russia

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:17 PM

The US has not given the people you are talking about weapons for many decades now. The rebels in Syria are using almost exclusively Soviet made small arms. The majority have been taken from the Syrian army themselves.

http://www.guardian....ebels-rivalries
http://www.reuters.c...E8BG0FK20121217

The main supporters of Jihadists, currently, are the Saudis, not America. The Saudis have a vested intereste in exporting Wahhabism to the entire world.

http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0


My point exactly .. but I said the Neo-cons want to arm them NOT the US Government .. McCain has been whining and howling like a blue tick hound ..
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:31 PM

way to completely change the subject and leave an important point unanswered.. Who cares the rebels are not united? shall i repeat why its important not to have islamic salafi gangs running around mass looting/mass killing? having someone like assad around is far far more desirable.

the syrian government is not a 1 man regime. thats one of the reasons it has stayed intact through all this pressure. Assad to go would solve absolutely nothing. the only thing it would do is demoralize his very large support base who genuinely support him and want him to defeat this terrorist invasion. and satisfy israel.


in light of these facts, Assad should abandon his country, abandon his people and let the jihadi's who are commiting mass atrocities and have threatened and are active commiting ethnic cleansing against allawi's and certain christians/druze to continue?

Assad stepping down does not end the war. It makes it 100x times more brutal. It will no longer be a war, but a massacre.




omg...............................................................................

THE SINGLE BIGGEST REASON THE SYRIAN REGIME IS STANDING IS BECAUSE THE SYRIAN OFFICER CORPS FOR THE MOST PART ARE MADE UP OF ALLAWITE OFFICERS FIERCELY LOYAL TO ASSAD. AND ARE FIERCELY FIGHTING FOR THEIR OWN LIVES, HOMES, FAMILIES BECAUSE THE JIHADI's DO NOT TAKE ALLAWITE PRISONERS AND HAVE THREATENED THEM WITH EXTERMINATION.

there are examples of a few sunni officers defecting, and for the most part foot soldier conscripts. The defections came in a large chunk in the early stages when people were picking sides. people have now picked their sides. There might be a few opportunistic people sensing greener pastures who might jump ship now, but for the most part the defections have stopped, and syrian soldiers have become extremely radicilized as a result of the rebel no prisoner policy and are far more inclined to fight to the death.

its amazing just how you make strong opinions on an issue you seem to be absolutely clueless about

but please, do try and continue to take focuse away from the actual subject of the thread: Blatant israeli aggression against a sovereign state.


I agree it is amazing how people can have strong opinions on an issue that they no nothing about. Alawis only make up about 11% of the country and live almost exclusively in the Latakia province.

The Latakia province has been almost totally unharmed by the present conflict, and almost all of the fighting is occuring in areas where Sunnis and Christians live. Thus, the vast majority of people who are dieing are not Alawis, they are Sunnis and Christians being atacked by their own government. The areas with the most casualties are cities like Aleppo and Homs. These cities are home to Christians and Sunnis, not Alawis.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:34 PM

My point exactly .. but I said the Neo-cons want to arm them NOT the US Government .. McCain has been whining and howling like a blue tick hound ..


Fair enough. I thought you were referring to McCain's Congressional work in the 1980s. You are correct, McCain has been pushing to arm Syrian rebels. The US has not provided significant weaponry to the rebels...yet.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 12:36 PM

I wonder if Israel feels just a tad guilty about dragging the US or any other country into their war for their own preemptive and unauthorized attacks. Or do all ethical considerations go completely down the crapper in time of war?


Of course they don't. And they are well aware that every time they cry wolf the US is going to come running...why would they? They know that for some unexplainable reason the US sees them as a little brother or whatever the metaphor is. I say screw that. Israel has caused more problems than anyone in this country should be comfortable with rectifying...and if they didn't have their head up their ass and weren't so easily led...whether it be religious motives or political ones, maybe the US would realize there are bigger domestic issues to worry about and would tell Israel to go **** itself. They won't...but they should.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:00 PM

I agree it is amazing how people can have strong opinions on an issue that they no nothing about.

perhaps it's time to look in the mirror

Alawis only make up about 11% of the country and live almost exclusively in the Latakia province.

not true, latakia province is the alawite's historic homeland and the majority of them live there. But there are signigicant numbers in virtually every major syrian city. Especially damascus.

The Latakia province has been almost totally unharmed by the present conflict,

except for the occaisional car bombing from wahabi terrorists; in comparison latakia has been quieter

and almost all of the fighting is occuring in areas where Sunnis and Christians live.

The syrian army doesnt pick the battlefields. It hunts down the the al qaeda terrorists in whatever territory they happen to impose themselves on

Thus, the vast majority of people who are dieing are not Alawis,

yet again more proof of you absolute ignorance regarding this issue. Alawis have been by far the most hard hit ethnic group. The majority of losses in the syrian army have been alawite, and the rebels generally go out of their way to target allawite civilians as they consider all of them government stooges. The christians,druze killed happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time when a jihadi came about and decided syria is better off without this infidel.

they are Sunnis and Christians being atacked by their own government.

two completely different groups who for the most part are on different sides. again just mixing random things together and passing them off as facts.

Christians (for the most part) support the government, and alot of secular,liberal, nationalist sunni;s support the government as well. conservative religious sunni's, gulf arab monarchies, and al qaeda militants are the rebels core support group. if there are christians dying, 19 times out of 20 a rebel killed them, 1 time out of 20 a misfired government shell hit them. The syrian government is only delibrately targeting armed insurgents. there is no specific order by assad to kill sunnis christians, allawis or any other "undesirable" groups of people. The only people that are singeling groups out for extermination are the jihadi animals running the show on the rebel side.

The areas with the most casualties are cities like Aleppo and Homs. These cities are home to Christians and Sunnis, not Alawis.

are you serious man? homs has significant allawi populations. and again i repeat, the syrian government is not choosing the battlefields, and the allawis are bearing the brunt of this war. Just about everything you say is contrary to established facts.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:11 PM

perhaps it's time to look in the mirror


not true, latakia province is the alawite's historic homeland and the majority of them live there. But there are signigicant numbers in virtually every major syrian city. Especially damascus.


except for the occaisional car bombing from wahabi terrorists; in comparison latakia has been quieter


The syrian army doesnt pick the battlefields. It hunts down the the al qaeda terrorists in whatever territory they happen to impose themselves on


yet again more proof of you absolute ignorance regarding this issue. Alawis have been by far the most hard hit ethnic group. The majority of losses in the syrian army have been alawite, and the rebels generally go out of their way to target allawite civilians as they consider all of them government stooges. The christians,druze killed happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time when a jihadi came about and decided syria is better off without this infidel.


two completely different groups who for the most part are on different sides. again just mixing random things together and passing them off as facts.

Christians (for the most part) support the government, and alot of secular,liberal, nationalist sunni;s support the government as well. conservative religious sunni's, gulf arab monarchies, and al qaeda militants are the rebels core support group. if there are christians dying, 19 times out of 20 a rebel killed them, 1 time out of 20 a misfired government shell hit them. The syrian government is only delibrately targeting armed insurgents. there is no specific order by assad to kill sunnis christians, allawis or any other "undesirable" groups of people. The only people that are singeling groups out for extermination are the jihadi animals running the show on the rebel side.

are you serious man? homs has significant allawi populations. and again i repeat, the syrian government is not choosing the battlefields, and the allawis are bearing the brunt of this war. Just about everything you say is contrary to established facts.


The Alawi government has a strong history of taking a scorched Earth policy to its Sunni population:

http://en.wikipedia....i/Hama_massacre

I never said the rebels were angels either. The difference is they don't have the power to end this conflict that Assad has. He should just call an election and step down.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:16 PM

The Alawi government has a strong history of taking a scorched Earth policy to its Sunni population:

http://en.wikipedia....i/Hama_massacre

I never said the rebels were angels either. The difference is they don't have the power to end this conflict that Assad has. He should just call an election and step down.


Agreed ..
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 02:01 PM

The Alawi government has a strong history of taking a scorched Earth policy to its Sunni population:

http://en.wikipedia....ssacre [/quote]


perhaps you should read the history of the muslim brotherhood in syria. A violent salafi organization that one day started an insurrection in 1 city. Imagine a country wakes up one day, and sees armed salafi islamists (syria's version of the taliban) take an entire city over. Attack police stations and massacre ordinary cops.

drag government employees out of their houses in the middle of the night, and literally mass lynch them to death, and call for an islamic caliphate and invite the rest of the country to join in. Their actions were so brutal, and their ideology so extreme absolutely no one joined in or supported them.

So when a government has one city filled with salafi terrorists hell bent on an extreme al qaeda type hardcore islamist ideology. Do you go in and give them flowers?? The syrian government rightfully went in, and smashed them so hard, an entire generation of wannabe jihadi's felt it, and did not cause trouble for 2 decades.

the syrian government military action was no way rougher then the policy the american military took on the same islamist militants hiding out in fallujah

I never said the rebels were angels either.

they are not angels, they are not normal human beings either. They are the most vile, one dimensional brainwashed jihadi trash to have existed. they blow up massive car bombs in civilian populations with little regard, They kill alawites, christians, and druze because they see them as infidels, they are hell bent on creating an islamic state, and forcing sharia. They routinely commit mass executions, ethnic cleansings, and are openly threatning to wipe syria clean of certain ethnic groups.

lets not minimize the type of animals the jihadi scum are.

The difference is they don't have the power to end this conflict

yes they do. get the hell out of syria, and go back to whatever country you came from. All these feeder states are loving the fact that they can export their scum to syria.

When that happens, the syrians themselves can sort out their future. Assad has already said he will negotiate with non-jihadi syrians and even invite them to government, and has opened the door to elections that could see him toppled.

The jihadi's have flat out refused. They want no scenario where democracy happens. They want no scenario where any non-religious jihadi male has any type of power. and they want no scenario where syria doesnt become an islamic state with strict sharia free of undesirable infidels.


that Assad has. He should just call an election and step down.


assad has already called for elections. how can you physically have elections when you do not fully control all parts of the country, and there are tens of thousands of jihadi;s who control vast territory, and have outright rejected the notion of democracy and are seeking the complete transformation of syria on their terms???

election officials should just ignore the gunmen who will kill them, and calmly set up their polling stations in jihadi territory?

Assad has 2 realistic options:

Fight to protect his country from disintegration, absolute destruction, and genocide at the hands of jihadi's

or run away (step down)

for assad to step down, the war doesnt end. it can even be argued that the jihadi;s would be emboldened and it would probably heat up. The jihadi's want to destroy the syrian state, and the syrian state will resist. With or without assad. Assad stepping down would just be betraying his own people, branding himself a coward, and demoralizing his base.

1 last thing i want to add.

for 2 years now syria has been under complete embargo, many gulf arab monarchies have poured billions into their favorite islamists, turkey has opened its borders and territory to rebel training camps. Rebels get massive amounts of fighters, money, arms, training, and support from those countries. yet, they still have not been able to topple assad as everyone has been predicting for so long.

if assad didnt have genuine/large amounts support, he would not have lasted a month. at this critical junction when their national survival is at stake, its greatly in syria's national interest if their president, and head of their country, doesnt run away and abandon them.

in the middle of a war for your survival, priority should be given to eradicate the enemy, before political makeovers.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 02:34 PM

We live in a global lawless society. There is no "international law" that applies to Israel or any other country with it's hand in a majority of pies.

"Law" applies only to those without the political or economic clout to deter prosecution.


There is no international law. It is the countries with the biggest guns who prevails. Or Might equals Right.

Note that the major powers like the US, Russia, China, France break international laws all the time and they are never prosecuted.
How many times have the US intervene unilateral over the last 100 years? Dozens of time. Have they ever been prosecuted for war crimes? No.
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 04:24 PM

perhaps you should read the history of the muslim brotherhood in syria. A violent salafi organization that one day started an insurrection in 1 city. Imagine a country wakes up one day, and sees armed salafi islamists (syria's version of the taliban) take an entire city over. Attack police stations and massacre ordinary cops.

drag government employees out of their houses in the middle of the night, and literally mass lynch them to death, and call for an islamic caliphate and invite the rest of the country to join in. Their actions were so brutal, and their ideology so extreme absolutely no one joined in or supported them.

So when a government has one city filled with salafi terrorists hell bent on an extreme al qaeda type hardcore islamist ideology. Do you go in and give them flowers?? The syrian government rightfully went in, and smashed them so hard, an entire generation of wannabe jihadi's felt it, and did not cause trouble for 2 decades.

the syrian government military action was no way rougher then the policy the american military took on the same islamist militants hiding out in fallujah


they are not angels, they are not normal human beings either. They are the most vile, one dimensional brainwashed jihadi trash to have existed. they blow up massive car bombs in civilian populations with little regard, They kill alawites, christians, and druze because they see them as infidels, they are hell bent on creating an islamic state, and forcing sharia. They routinely commit mass executions, ethnic cleansings, and are openly threatning to wipe syria clean of certain ethnic groups.

lets not minimize the type of animals the jihadi scum are.


yes they do. get the hell out of syria, and go back to whatever country you came from. All these feeder states are loving the fact that they can export their scum to syria.

When that happens, the syrians themselves can sort out their future. Assad has already said he will negotiate with non-jihadi syrians and even invite them to government, and has opened the door to elections that could see him toppled.

The jihadi's have flat out refused. They want no scenario where democracy happens. They want no scenario where any non-religious jihadi male has any type of power. and they want no scenario where syria doesnt become an islamic state with strict sharia free of undesirable infidels.




assad has already called for elections. how can you physically have elections when you do not fully control all parts of the country, and there are tens of thousands of jihadi;s who control vast territory, and have outright rejected the notion of democracy and are seeking the complete transformation of syria on their terms???

election officials should just ignore the gunmen who will kill them, and calmly set up their polling stations in jihadi territory?

Assad has 2 realistic options:

Fight to protect his country from disintegration, absolute destruction, and genocide at the hands of jihadi's

or run away (step down)

for assad to step down, the war doesnt end. it can even be argued that the jihadi;s would be emboldened and it would probably heat up. The jihadi's want to destroy the syrian state, and the syrian state will resist. With or without assad. Assad stepping down would just be betraying his own people, branding himself a coward, and demoralizing his base.

1 last thing i want to add.

for 2 years now syria has been under complete embargo, many gulf arab monarchies have poured billions into their favorite islamists, turkey has opened its borders and territory to rebel training camps. Rebels get massive amounts of fighters, money, arms, training, and support from those countries. yet, they still have not been able to topple assad as everyone has been predicting for so long.

if assad didnt have genuine/large amounts support, he would not have lasted a month. at this critical junction when their national survival is at stake, its greatly in syria's national interest if their president, and head of their country, doesnt run away and abandon them.

in the middle of a war for your survival, priority should be given to eradicate the enemy, before political makeovers.


It's one thing to criticize the rebels for their actions or point out that there are many jihadist elements within them or even to say that Syria might be worse off under their rule.

You, however, are totally delusional. You are making the case that Assad has offered to step down and given elections. Meanwhile the rebels are just attacking innnocent people in their homes. To portray Assad as some innocent in all of this is just baffling.
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