Heretic Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Yeah....maybe man should be put on a leash.... http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/curiosity/topics/10-ways-man-destroying-environment.htm http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Rate-of-Extinction-3-Species-per-Hour-55411.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 "Free ranging domestic cats".. Opposed to the numerous comatose domestic (spayed/neutered) ones that do nothing but sleep, eat, crap, then find a place in the house to lie all day long blowing up like a balloon? Cats naturally are free roaming, and they mate a lot. The people at fault are indeed bad owners, but moreover, western society who thinks domesticating and housing an animal that prefers to jump and roam around and do it's own thing is going to have great results. Yeah, ok. Eliminating most if not all of the domesticated cats would be a good start, then leaving the rest alone. But what's going to happen in it's current state is virtually nothing due to excessive political correctness.. just emphasize adoption despite that not being effective enough, and pointless license and leash laws when people can just say their cat died and buried it somewhere when in fact they lost it -- we know the truth about the way western society sees cats, that people tend to like them as kittens, and will keep buying them as kittens, then when they're no longer kittens and reality hits, they rid of them. That's not going to stop any time soon, so it's time to think a little bigger, kill the domesticated strays, and simply outlaw domestication of all cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I don't know what sort of people you hang around with but I don't know anyone with pet cats who consider them "disposable" at any age As for the OP, my opinion is that every effort should be made to spay/neuter stray/feral cats. Maybe even cull them if it's in fact that big of a problem. Licencing domestic ones strikes me as a fruitless waste of time. Encouraging spaying/neutering would seem to be far better of an idea. Also I can see how the birds might be an issue but cats keeping mice populations in check seems like a FANTASTIC benefit IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Interestingly enough.......I have friends who have two cats. They (the cats ) never leave the house unless they are on a leash and when outside, they are on a long run,like a dog run. They have been leash trained since they were kittens and as I said, are never outside unless leashed or attached to the run. They are well-adjusted cats. The idea that cats cannot be kept under control is quite simply untrue. It requires effort, much like the training of dogs to become pets who are not obnoxious. And these same cat owners I mention above? They used to be of the same attitude as the majority of cat owners appear to be - can't tie a cat down - .....and they've done a complete 180 on their previous beliefs. At one time, people said the same thing about dogs...Once upon a time dogs ran free in packs.......free to roam wherever they wanted. Were independent creatures. Yet look at them now, licensed and for the most part, in urban areas, required to be on leash at all times outside their own property. All pet owners need to be responsible for their pets and what they do, and that includes cat owners. Why should I have to clean up your cat's leavings in my garden? Or see the birds and squirrels that frequent my back yard massacred by a neighbour's cat which is free to roam anywhere it wants? Such a hullaballo when someone's bull mastiff craps on someone else's lawn yet we non-cat owners are required to put up with the nasty leavings of cats in our own yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Sure...if those BC Naturalists want to come to my farm and gather up the mice and take care of them, I'm all for it. Until then, my cats are mousers. Anyone got a problem with that can take it up with my over 100 pound Bouvier-Komondor cross (her favourite game is keeping the coyotes off my property). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 And of course in the country your cat might be able to survive the coyotes but I think we all know what happens to stray animals back in the woods...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 My dog chased a coyote down my street last week. I live near Fraser & 33rd. They live in the cemetary lands in the middle of Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Not even in the country. There's plenty of coyotes etc around here to take care of them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 My dog chased a coyote down my street last week. I live near Fraser & 33rd. They live in the cemetary lands in the middle of Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aladeen Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think I have a potential solution: MMM MMM MMM Deeeelicious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Canucky Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Killing wild life: Most of us live in cities and do not need our cats particularly for mousing. If you are a responsible pet owner, you have two options... 1) Keep your cat indoors. It isnt hard, and they really dont mind as long as you give them a window view. 2) bell your cat. Putting a bell on your cat essentially gives them away as soon as they move to pounce. Feral numbers: Feral cats CAN be trapped in live traps. In Oregon you can bring a feral cat for a FREE alteration, then you can re-release the cat afterwards. It isnt hard and will have a significant effect on the population if people are diligent and services remain available. Crapping in your garden: That is a hard one and probably where the justification for this is REALLY coming from. people should have the right to grow veggies without the fear of toxoplasmosis. Owners SHOULD be responsible for pet waste, especially if it being buried and undetectable can cause a health concern. The problem is, if a pet cat doesnt do it, A feral one might, so you should protect yourself anyway. Mulch with sticker plants, use citrus scents and invest in commercial repellents. If youre a cat owner, the best thing for everone involved (including your cat) is to just keep your cat inside. if you hate litter box cleaning, invest in one that cleans itself or a system that uses your toilet! Good luck and happy hunting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AppleJack Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 My kitty Gilly is an indoor only cat who I take out once in a while for walks on a harness and leash but with that said I kind of think its stupid that someone is trying to make it the law that ALL kitties need to be leashed. I know a lot of cats would not tolerate being indoor animals or being only allowed out on a leash. Plus have you ever tried to leash a cat I do think it might be a good idea to have all cats licensed because it could help track down missing animals faster? There are missing cat posters everywhere and I swear every time I go into my local pet stores there is a new flyer posted about yet another missing cat. Its kind of sad. I personally know my cat refuses to wear a collar, so maybe they would have to find a more creative way to license all these furballs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 My kitty Gilly is an indoor only cat who I take out once in a while for walks on a harness and leash but with that said I kind of think its stupid that someone is trying to make it the law that ALL kitties need to be leashed. I know a lot of cats would not tolerate being indoor animals or being only allowed out on a leash. Plus have you ever tried to leash a cat I do think it might be a good idea to have all cats licensed because it could help track down missing animals faster? There are missing cat posters everywhere and I swear every time I go into my local pet stores there is a new flyer posted about yet another missing cat. Its kind of sad. I personally know my cat refuses to wear a collar, so maybe they would have to find a more creative way to license all these furballs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Killing wild life: Most of us live in cities and do not need our cats particularly for mousing. If you are a responsible pet owner, you have two options... 1) Keep your cat indoors. It isnt hard, and they really dont mind as long as you give them a window view. 2) bell your cat. Putting a bell on your cat essentially gives them away as soon as they move to pounce. Feral numbers: Feral cats CAN be trapped in live traps. In Oregon you can bring a feral cat for a FREE alteration, then you can re-release the cat afterwards. It isnt hard and will have a significant effect on the population if people are diligent and services remain available. Crapping in your garden: That is a hard one and probably where the justification for this is REALLY coming from. people should have the right to grow veggies without the fear of toxoplasmosis. Owners SHOULD be responsible for pet waste, especially if it being buried and undetectable can cause a health concern. The problem is, if a pet cat doesnt do it, A feral one might, so you should protect yourself anyway. Mulch with sticker plants, use citrus scents and invest in commercial repellents. If youre a cat owner, the best thing for everone involved (including your cat) is to just keep your cat inside. if you hate litter box cleaning, invest in one that cleans itself or a system that uses your toilet! Good luck and happy hunting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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