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#1 harpdog

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:32 PM

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I remember the day when I could get free tickets while Busking in front of GM Place now Rogers . You remember the Messier years right? You the fans never created a frenzy like you are now about who to trade. Well back then we cared just as much and would have been thrilled just to make the playoffs.

Now we have the best regular season team in hockey for 2 straight seasons and still the need to improve becomes greater and with greater anticipation. I just have trouble understanding the lack of positive reinforcement from the fans.

Why would anyone trade Luongo and rely on an unproven starter and a above average AHL goalie when your team has to play 16 and 17 games a month for the next 2 and 1/2 months? The Canucks have one of the best 2 goalie systems with a pattern of using the hot goalie until they go cold..I say lets hear more LOU LOU LOU

Why would you worry when you will get a Selke winner back in a few weeks, fully healthy and ready to make an end of the season run. Keslers season should have ended in Feb. of last year. he should have never been playing but he did. Heart of a lion coming back to lead this team like he did the 4 years before. Yeah baby. And we woun't need a trade to improve the team here either

Why would you worry when you still have another key component of the team coming back.in Booth. The guys kills Chara sized bears. He is fast and we became a faster team with him. speed does kills in hockey.

No team is going to win every game. Winning is a team effort and the team plays a system. Trading players for new players affeccts that system as you saw last year in Kassian.
The Canucks are a super team and compete almost every game. They get along well on and off the season now. This is important. You are not playing for just a team, you are playing for players that are also friends

I feel very confident in the Canucks Gillis has put together and for this arm chair GM, there would have to be offering one super sweet deal for me to disrupt a 2 time president Cup lineup just for change.
Don't mess with the best
Gone are the days of trading a player for a bag of pucks.
Gone are the days of Mike Milbury going off the edge and trading 5 or 6 players. GMs now are very smart with teams of advisers backing them with boatloads of info to use. Trades need luck and occasionally you get lucky at the dead line and get a Jeff Carter. Then you hope a Volpati has some value. These deals are rare. Stand Pat! All will Be good, you will see. Go Canucks.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:37 PM

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We want the cup... Need I say more.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:40 PM

can't get the cup with out a great goalie! Sneider ain't it.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:40 PM

Like the positivity! Go Canucks Go!!!!!
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:42 PM

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Completely agree, we don't need to trade anyone. This is an amazing group of players. The coaches just need to change some strategy while playing and we are golden.

They need to look at the game tapes and see what went wrong against LA and Boston in the playoffs. I've said it before. Puck pressure. This team backs off the puck way too much when the other team has it to get back into position, force the play, force them to make mistakes. That's what LA and Boston did to us.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:46 PM

Yep speed kills. pressure and counter strike. Defense first, positioning for quick out lets and when you play for a long time with each other as a team you know where that player should be. Look at Kassian now. He learned.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:48 PM

The main goal of each year is to be competitive enough for a chance to win the Stanley Cup and it doesn't matter if a team squeaks into the playoffs or wins the Presidents Trophy because once the playoffs begin every team has the same chances of winning. the Canucks have won it two straight years and even though the first time they were close last year didn't prove much of an advantage. I would rather see the Canucks win enough games to secure a playoff spot then rest the top players. Who cares about the Presidents trophy when you could be better rested to win the Stanley cup.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:59 PM

Yep speed kills. pressure and counter strike. Defense first, positioning for quick out lets and when you play for a long time with each other as a team you know where that player should be. Look at Kassian now. He learned.

Really shows in his game that he practiced with the Sedins in the off season.

I also want the defense to stay on defense instead of leading the rush which puts them way out of position and usually leads to an opposing scoring chance.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:02 PM

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Sometimes I wish we would suck for a few years.

I remember being a Canuck fan in Saskatchewan in the dark days, so cold, so alone.

These harsh conditions encourage natural selection.

The douchebagery will be overtaken by the fan that just wants to watch the game with some Doritoes and Pilsner and be thoroughly entertained win or lose.

But I guess these spazz cases come with success, so whatever.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:06 PM

The main goal of each year is to be competitive enough for a chance to win the Stanley Cup and it doesn't matter if a team squeaks into the playoffs or wins the Presidents Trophy because once the playoffs begin every team has the same chances of winning. the Canucks have won it two straight years and even though the first time they were close last year didn't prove much of an advantage. I would rather see the Canucks win enough games to secure a playoff spot then rest the top players. Who cares about the Presidents trophy when you could be better rested to win the Stanley cup.


Weel, a team that can just barely make the playoff will probably not be good enough to win the Cup anyway. Unless they get really lucky like LA at the trade deadline. Corey is not good enough to carry this team all the way either. This team is good enough to win a Cup and win a Pres. Cup. They are better now than 2 years ago too.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:07 PM

The President's Cup is nice, but it's hard to be satisfied with it when you know the team is capable of winning the Stanley Cup. It's Stanley that we really want, the players and staff will agree.

Edited by etsen3, 02 February 2013 - 11:07 PM.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:12 PM

After going to the Cup finals and losing in game 7... it's winning the cup or bust.

Prez trophy is nice but basically meaningless if you get eliminated in the playoffs.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:16 PM

canuck fans are fickle as hell

on top of that they have expectations that are way to high , year round

there's 30 teams in the league , if you cant enjoy watching a team dominate year round unless they win a cup

your not canucks fan , you are not even a hockey fan
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:24 PM

After going to the Cup finals and losing in game 7... it's winning the cup or bust.

Prez trophy is nice but basically meaningless if you get eliminated in the playoffs.


Then why don't you just wait till the playoffs to become a fan?

If they don't make the playoffs you are not a fan

If they do make the playoffs you are a fan until they lose.

If they win the cup your favorite team just won the Stanley Cup!

You are welcome bud.
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:27 PM

I simply watch the game and my team for the sheer enjoyment of going through all the wins and losses with them, if I wanted to only feel the gratification of winning a cup? Well then I'd just hop on the bandwagon and watch whoever is winning in the finals. :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a cup come to Vancouver- but it's not the most important part of the equation.. If your itty bitty heart can't take it, then go watch tennis. :mellow:
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:53 PM

Who cares about the President's Trophy, it's the Stanley Cup or nothing. I've been watching the Canucks for almost 25 years and still no cup, just figure it out already and stop with the futility. You may be happy with the great regular seasons but they mean nothing to me, because everyone in a hockey conversation will always say "Yeah, Yeah but have they won the cup". So what are you supposed to say in return.....nothing, because their right.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:08 AM

Sometimes I wish we would suck for a few years.

I remember being a Canuck fan in Saskatchewan in the dark days, so cold, so alone.

These harsh conditions encourage natural selection.

The douchebagery will be overtaken by the fan that just wants to watch the game with some Doritoes and Pilsner and be thoroughly entertained win or lose.

But I guess these spazz cases come with success, so whatever.

The thing with me is if they win i drink a few Pilsner's if they are losing i tend to drink a heck of a lot more,.... so i say the canucks must win for me to be a healthy non belligerent drunk.
but that is just me..
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:14 AM

who cares about having 2 goalies schnieder is good enough to be our starter and luongo could bring us back the last couple peices we need to push us over the top... sitting on the bench opening the door for the defencemen come playoff time dosent help the team as much as 2 other players that could be logging 10-15 minutes of ice time each and making a difference in the game . the sad thing is there was talk of frattin and bozak for luongo and gillis turning it down wanting more in return (keep in mind frattin hadnt done anything in the nhl yet , but that didnt stop gillis for trading for kassian) .... that trade would look fantastic right now.. those 2 guys on our second and 3rd line would win us a cup , big bodies with skill deep in our roster. teams that go far in the playoffs are the teams with the best 3rd and 4th lines.. last year when we playe detroit right befor the deadline it was clear redwings and nucks were the best teams in the league and it was becasue they both had the best 3rd lines in the league redwings 3rd line went down with injuries and we blew ours up at the deadline with the cody trade and both teams tanked in the playoffs. go back at look at the rosters of the final 4 last year and you will then see the depth it takes to compete for the cup .. id rather have 2nd and 3rd liners threwout my 4 lines then have 2 first lines and a drop off to 2 4th lines like the canucks have had lately .... and last thing i will say what scares me is the play of kessler. hes terrible as a second line centre he has no play making abilities that a 2nd line centre should hes great in his own end but offensivly the second line dosent do much with him playing centre aswell as first line PP and first line PK its like hes got no gas left for his regular shift .. ( based on last year of course) it would almost be best if when he comes back maybe he takes the draws on the 2nd line as hes better than burrows but after the draw switch to the wing and let burrows take centre. just my thoughts
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:30 AM

What has Schneider really done. He hasn't done diddly in the playoffs yet. Luongo has been carrying him for the last 2 years. Your best defensive player in Kesler is injured. I am just saying that the Team as it is with a couple of minor trade dead line addtions that do not change the line up and you have 3 of the best lines in hockey. Your 4th line is a PP defence and shut down line. Adding another 3rd or 4th line player make the canucks lose some one like Higgins or Booth and they are plus players that are not a defensive liability.
Canucks fans have so little faith. This team has been building for the Cup for 4 years now and all of a sudden you want to tear it apart because of some injuries and bad luck> Fickle is a mild word.
Forget last year or the year before, this is now or as a smart guy in this forum said "If you are only cheering for the cup, then your are not a fan but a bandwagoner."
True fans cheer for their team win lose or shoot out.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:44 AM

It's time for a cup here man I've followed for over 30 years don't care about regular season present trophy crap just get to the play offs then take over just like la kings did last year this team I think is more then capable plus luongo looks so awesome this year if we can get kes and booth back we should have it made pending no one else gets injured hope the hockey gods are with us this year go canucks go :towel:
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:46 AM

other teams fans just keep making fun of the presidents trophy until we win a cup.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:00 AM

Because this team's gone 40+ years with no Stanley Cup, and anything less will always be a disappointment.

But its more than that. Fans who've started following the Canucks in the past five years or so are used to the Canucks winning, sweeping through the regular season. It's not that Vancouver fans are fickle.... this culture hasn't always existed here.

I started following the Canucks at the beginning of the WCE era, when it wasn't even certain that the Canucks would make the playoffs. I remember in 2002 when the Canucks went up 2-0 on Detroit in the first round and it was a HUGE deal, because we weren't used to winning. I was only around for the tail end of the Messier years, but those were some brutal times.

I think in a way, though, the fan base was much better during those years. Because if you stuck around the Canucks even while they were doing so terribly, you had to be passionate about the game, unlike the recent rash of casual fans that only pay attention when the team wins.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:00 AM

Weel, a team that can just barely make the playoff will probably not be good enough to win the Cup anyway. Unless they get really lucky like LA at the trade deadline. Corey is not good enough to carry this team all the way either. This team is good enough to win a Cup and win a Pres. Cup. They are better now than 2 years ago too.


I don't think they are better. I think they are about the same with the potential to be worse. We don't yet know how Garrison will be by the playoffs.........how he will stand up to best of 7 hockey. How will Schneider perform nightly without a big D to protect him?

Booth we do know..........he was dire. That said so were quite a few of the team, and that is my point. Imo this team we have now even with Kes and Booth back is not a SC winner. How will Kes OR Kass for that matter get through a sapping best of 7 against the Ducks or LA?

Let's face it we have another potential PT winning team but as we all know, you need a different, bigger, and slightly nastier animal to win the SC.

Edited by Bodee, 03 February 2013 - 06:01 AM.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:12 AM

Ive been nothing but happy since Gillis has joined the organization.

Some of the best Canucks Hockey ive ever seen.

To answer the thread title: people are just silly.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:30 AM

can't get the cup with out a great goalie! Sneider ain't it.


You got it man! We've already won so many cups with Luongo....
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:58 AM

Like people have said, cup or bust.

Sure it has nice sentiment for winning the president's trophy but really why do the players play? for the cup.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:08 AM

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After going to the Cup finals and losing in game 7... it's winning the cup or bust.

Prez trophy is nice but basically meaningless if you get eliminated in the playoffs.


And I'm sure that's the goal, but it isn't as easy as you've presented. Going to a game 7 SCF is grueling and, as you may/may not be aware, some of our players sustained and played through injuries. That you cannot prevent - it's part of the game. So look at the big picture, not just the "I won't settle for anything but...". Fans with a sense of entitlement miss of lot of good hockey along the way and, while I agree that the ultimate goal is the cup, don't discount so easily the fact that these guys have managed to stay atop the league. Give credit where it's due or you likely don't deserve to celebrate the cup when we do get it.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:34 AM

i remember the dark days. always being told he's the "goalie of the future " for this franchise, one of them is as horrible a commentator as he was a net minder. the revolving door, goalie graveyard. i remember and all though i didn't like nonis as the gm he brought in a guy that has stopped all that. now we talk about trading a franchise goaltender in hopes that his younger predecessor can come close to his achievements.... only in vancouver would a guy thats second among active goaltender in so many stats be even consider a trade target. Only in vancouver does the goaltender get blamed when the team doesn't score or the defense coughs up the puck.MG should make sure he knows what's coming down the pipe because is cory turns into a hursch or weeks or one of the many others then AV and MG will be done.and rightfully so.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:53 AM

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:06 AM

What has Schneider really done. He hasn't done diddly in the playoffs yet. Luongo has been carrying him for the last 2 years. Your best defensive player in Kesler is injured. I am just saying that the Team as it is with a couple of minor trade dead line addtions that do not change the line up and you have 3 of the best lines in hockey. Your 4th line is a PP defence and shut down line. Adding another 3rd or 4th line player make the canucks lose some one like Higgins or Booth and they are plus players that are not a defensive liability.
Canucks fans have so little faith. This team has been building for the Cup for 4 years now and all of a sudden you want to tear it apart because of some injuries and bad luck> Fickle is a mild word.
Forget last year or the year before, this is now or as a smart guy in this forum said "If you are only cheering for the cup, then your are not a fan but a bandwagoner."
True fans cheer for their team win lose or shoot out.


That's the third time you have dumped on Schneider in just this one thread. I think it's safe to say you came here with an agenda (joined Jan 31). I'm sure you enjoy watching hockey, but do you really think you know better than the management and coaching staff of the team?
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