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#1 мцт вяздк чф

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:53 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaher-313

The Qaher-313 (Persian: قاهر-۳۱۳‎; also Ghaher-313, Conqueror-313, Q-313, F-313) is an Iranian single-seat stealth fighter aircraft publically announced on February 1, 2013.[1] It was presented to the press by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi on 2 February 2013, as part of the Ten-Day Dawn ceremonies.[2][3][4][5][6] A prototype version has been test-flown at some point before that.[7]
The F-313 Qaher was designed and is indigenously produced in Iran.[8] The aircraft is said to be a stealth fighter with low-level operations capability.[9] Qaher is built with "advanced materials" and had a very low radar signature.[10] Qaher can take off and land on short runways and it has "easy maintenance".[11]



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:54 PM

Do you know the flight range on this thing?
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:58 PM

Incredibly doubtful it has stealth tech of any real means
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:58 PM

Do you know the flight range on this thing?


not sure, specs aren't made public yet i think?
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:01 AM

I bet they're using "undiscovered" Materials they found in their mountains
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:09 AM

Looks like an F-35 knockoff. Probably a lemon also.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:10 AM

It looks more like a toy than a legitimate fighter plane.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:20 AM

I like the body, but the wings are a bit odd looking.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:52 AM

general opinion by aircraft design experts is that the one seen is a scale mock up or PR tool. IF it is full sized it is far too small to have anything but the smallest jet engine on the market and even then its air intakes(seen covered in red in the photos) would be too small by far, afterburner capability would be impossible. Fuel load, weapons loads and even room for basic military avionics would all be highly problematic. There are no visible access panels which points to it not only being a mockup but a simplistic mockup.

The canopy: Posted Image appears to be cheap plexiglass. Check out the distortion visible in the picture. Image quality through the dome would be horrendous and the heads up display would be greatly effected except there is no heads up display onboard.

Dont expect Iran to be taking the lead in the air supremacy role anytime in the near or distant future.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:37 AM

general opinion by aircraft design experts is that the one seen is a scale mock up or PR tool. IF it is full sized it is far too small to have anything but the smallest jet engine on the market and even then its air intakes(seen covered in red in the photos) would be too small by far, afterburner capability would be impossible. Fuel load, weapons loads and even room for basic military avionics would all be highly problematic. There are no visible access panels which points to it not only being a mockup but a simplistic mockup.

The canopy: Posted Image appears to be cheap plexiglass. Check out the distortion visible in the picture. Image quality through the dome would be horrendous and the heads up display would be greatly effected except there is no heads up display onboard.

Dont expect Iran to be taking the lead in the air supremacy role anytime in the near or distant future.


Would probably be a miracle if it can take off lol!
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:47 AM

Any chance the Canadian Department of Defence can get a good deal on these and save billions??? ::D
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:45 AM

general opinion by aircraft design experts is that the one seen is a scale mock up or PR tool. IF it is full sized it is far too small to have anything but the smallest jet engine on the market and even then its air intakes(seen covered in red in the photos) would be too small by far, afterburner capability would be impossible. Fuel load, weapons loads and even room for basic military avionics would all be highly problematic. There are no visible access panels which points to it not only being a mockup but a simplistic mockup.

The canopy: Posted Image appears to be cheap plexiglass. Check out the distortion visible in the picture. Image quality through the dome would be horrendous and the heads up display would be greatly effected except there is no heads up display onboard.

Dont expect Iran to be taking the lead in the air supremacy role anytime in the near or distant future.


I am deeply impressed by this plane though!

No! I refuse to believe that this plane isn't a highly advanced plane and is really a PR tool :(

It looks pretty sweet but yeah, it looks a little small to be of any use for missiles and other heavy equipment. :(

I wonder what it is made of and what kind of small jet engine could fit it?
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

prob made of balsa wood.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:22 AM

prob made of balsa wood.

The RAF had a very successful wooden fighter-bomber in WWII - the de Havilland DH.98 Mosquito - aka The Wooden Wonder and Timber Terror: Originally conceived as an unarmed fast bomber, the Mosquito was adapted to many other roles during the air war, including: low- to medium-altitude daytime tactical bomber, high-altitude night bomber, pathfinder, day or night fighter, fighter-bomber, intruder, maritime strike aircraft, and fast photo-reconnaissance aircraft.

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Howard Hughes had less success with "The Spruce Goose" (the Hughes H-4 Hercules) a prototype heavy transport which had its one and only flight with Hughes at the controls on November 2, 1947.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:12 PM

Incredibly doubtful it has stealth tech of any real means


Agreed. And I doubt they have mastered the on-board electronics systems. This is the same way I feel about the 'new' Chinese stealth fighter. It's easy to make it visually look appealing but its a completely different story when it comes to fighting capability, safety, electronics, materials used.

There are only a handful of nations able to make top-of-the-line aircraft, the Americans, some European countries and obviously the Russians, the rest don't compare.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:49 PM

Agreed. And I doubt they have mastered the on-board electronics systems. This is the same way I feel about the 'new' Chinese stealth fighter. It's easy to make it visually look appealing but its a completely different story when it comes to fighting capability, safety, electronics, materials used.

There are only a handful of nations able to make top-of-the-line aircraft, the Americans, some European countries and obviously the Russians, the rest don't compare.


maybe Iran is using Russian tecnology (Russia is an Irans ally). but this jet looks impressive I must admit...
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

general opinion by aircraft design experts is that the one seen is a scale mock up or PR tool. IF it is full sized it is far too small to have anything but the smallest jet engine on the market and even then its air intakes(seen covered in red in the photos) would be too small by far, afterburner capability would be impossible. Fuel load, weapons loads and even room for basic military avionics would all be highly problematic. There are no visible access panels which points to it not only being a mockup but a simplistic mockup.

The canopy: appears to be cheap plexiglass. Check out the distortion visible in the picture. Image quality through the dome would be horrendous and the heads up display would be greatly effected except there is no heads up display onboard.

Dont expect Iran to be taking the lead in the air supremacy role anytime in the near or distant future.

I too think the intakes are too small, not to mention their placement (which is over the wing instead of under) implies poor high-alpha performance. In other words, it won't be much of a dogfighter unless Iran has come up with some tricks I'm not aware of. The size of the nose also indicates that the plane won't be able to accommodate a large and thus powerful radar, possibly limiting the options to the class of radars used in the F-5. This limitation could be significant when you consider that the IRIAF has no AWACS in service to scout for the stealth fighter who should be turning off its active radar more often than not. Of course, producing a working engine is yet the biggest question mark.

However I wouldn't write the program off completely. Given enough time and determination, it is possible to produce a decent striker that can do some damage if the stealth is as good as they claim. Having said that, this is definitely a mock-up and the absence of a visible nose radome is a dead giveaway.

maybe Iran is using Russian tecnology (Russia is an Iran´s ally). but this jet looks impressive I must admit...

Foreign assistance might come into play, but nothing major will come out of it, not only because of the arms embargo but also because of the risk of Iran possessing a viable launch platform for nuclear strike. Besides, nobody seems willing to share any key technology without getting a return of huge financial and strategic interests.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:00 PM

The jet clearly sucks.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:10 PM

The jet clearly sucks.


Jets don't suck, they blow.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:09 AM

At least they're not dumb enough to just re-use footage from the movie Top Gun, unlike China, lol.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:26 AM

Prior to the opening of the Pacific Theater Area of WW2 most of the Allied forces believed that the Japanese had poor aircraft, and their pilots couldn't see well enough to fly properly anyway.
It was a very rude awakening, when they found out just how wrong they were.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:45 AM

Prior to the opening of the Pacific Theater Area of WW2 most of the Allied forces believed that the Japanese had poor aircraft, and their pilots couldn't see well enough to fly properly anyway.
It was a very rude awakening, when they found out just how wrong they were.


The Japanese are also 100x more capable than Iranians.

Just have to look at all the technology that's out there.

I'm sure the Iranians also make amazing cars too lol
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:56 PM

At the time of ww2 Japan had a tiny economy, very little oil and minimal industrial power.
It still took years to beat the small empire to it's knees.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:16 PM

At the time of ww2 Japan had a tiny economy, very little oil and minimal industrial power.
It still took years to beat the small empire to it's knees.


That's a really bad comparable. By the time the US got involved against Japan, Japan was already in control of much of the Pacific. They were the head of a fairly vast empire. The Japanese were also able to take advantage of the geography, which was made up of small, not easily invadable, islands.

Japan may have a small ecocomy and "little industrial power" in the 1800s, but by WWII they'd already established themselves as a superpower, having defeated China and Russia in wars. They initially lacked raw materials, but were able to attain those after successful invasion of their neighbours.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:21 PM

The Zero was very fast but very vulnerable too.

What is up with these crazy Iranis?

Nukes, missiles, jet fighters; mid-20th century anyone?
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

Looks cool.

Edited by pwnstar, 04 February 2013 - 03:45 PM.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:23 PM

update: the photos of the interior cockpit of the plane show that there is no latch assemmbly on the canopy. No way to keep it closed. IF this plane could fly, and thats a big if, the canopy would be torn off during takeoff.

Also of note is that the avionics in the cockpit are on par with a small personal aircraft like a Cessna 2 seater.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:32 PM

In 10 or 15 years, due to their huge rearmament program, you might see the Russians being able to project enough power to actually be able to protect Iran.

Until then however, Iran is basically on its own, and all these cheesy fake "superweapon" programs they keep announcing suggests that they are more than a bit desperate at this point.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:36 PM

update: the photos of the interior cockpit of the plane show that there is no latch assemmbly on the canopy. No way to keep it closed. IF this plane could fly, and thats a big if, the canopy would be torn off during takeoff.

Also of note is that the avionics in the cockpit are on par with a small personal aircraft like a Cessna 2 seater.

Gives new meaning to the phrase... "on a wing and a prayer", eh?
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:01 PM

http://news.yahoo.co...-182601002.html


Aviation Experts Debunk Iran’s Stealth Fighter Jet Claims


The development of a new Iranian stealth fighter attracted a lot of attention over the weekend. But aviation experts are now questioning whether the jet is even real.

This weekend pictures and video were released of Iranian military officials surveying what looked like a fully operational Q-313. Aeronautics experts, including David Cenciotti of the blog The Aviationist, quickly pointed out some serious design flaws.

For example, the wiring of the cockpit's front panel appears too simple and the cockpit seems too small for a pilot to fit inside. Perhaps more importantly, Cenciotti claims the plane's back engine contains no nozzle for afterburners, which means the heat would probably melt the entire jet. He further speculates that the video of the plane coasting through the air was mostly likely a radio-controlled version.

The video of the plane's unveiling released to YouTube was met with mockery from viewers. There are upward of 150,000 views and counting. One person joked, "I built one of those when I was a kid. I wonder what type of glue they used?"

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