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#91 canucksnihilist

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:28 AM

Logically it doesn't matter which one we keep. Both stellar goalies

But we should only keep 1, too much cap space on the bench... IF we can get that incomin player

If u think 1 is that min an upgrade over the other - I would argue against that
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:30 AM

He could, but every goalie is different. I'm seeing him as overcoming it since he's been getting better at it as time passes.


no he's not. he's playing good now because he has absolutely no pressure. If they move Cory and the spotlight is back on him, it'll be more of the same.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:32 AM

Good post, you provide good insight from both sides of the coin. These bolded parts are things that stand out to me however.

The contract he signed was a bridge deal, if say Luongo goes, then Schneider plays like everyone thinks he will, then I think he will sign here, the deal was meant for us to see what he could really do on his own, without us making a long term commitment Although I don't have any question in my mind that if we chose him and he preforms, that he will reciprocate that loyalty and choose us.

And if he busts, I just want to point out that we won't have to look far, as we do have a few promising goalies in the system Lack and Cannata. :P


With his injury and surgery, Lack is still at least 2 years away from NHL duty. We would need to bring in another goailie.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:34 AM

you know "we've" been arguing this point & going back & forth between these goalies for a couple of years now! When Lu plays well, we want him in vancouver & are willing to trade Cory. When Cory plays betters, we hate Lu & want him gone.

Im happy as long as our goalie(s) play well.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:36 AM

years since he had a meltdown? Have you been in a coma?


By the time these playoffs start, it would have been 2 years since he's had a meltdown playoff game.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:38 AM

no he's not. he's playing good now because he has absolutely no pressure. If they move Cory and the spotlight is back on him, it'll be more of the same.


How did Cory perform in his "unofficial" first game as starter? How is he going to do in a full season?

Does anyone remember what things were like before Lu? That is what things will be like after Lu. I'll still be a fan, but I will hate all the other fans even more for running the best goalie we have ever had out of town. Silly kids.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:43 AM

The Canucks would consider moving any player if brought the team the right return they are looking for. GM Mike Gillis has mentioned he is happy with his team's goaltenders, will wait on any deal until the right return is there or he will not make a move.

Luongo can let in 6 goals next time and as fans here are over the top in terms of being reactionary lol....the fans will sing the praises of Schneider.

Teams evaluate players over a pro-longed period of time, based on scouting, experience, and potential....Luongo playing well to start the season or Schneider earning a shutout don't make other teams suddenly want or not want an asset. Luongo is the more valuable asset in terms of netminders based on his body of work and his resume.

Canucks don't have to make any move...simply put they don't. To accomodate Luongo as Schneider develops they will explore their options in a possible move.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:43 AM

I agree with Don Cherry, CS is unproven whereas Lou has shown how great he is. Seems strange that Lou started to go downhill when his goalie coach was changed for him. Now after 7 weeks with his old coach he is top notch again. I say stay with Lou

Edited by Doddie, 03 February 2013 - 10:45 AM.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:43 AM

All these better players that Cory hypothetically will bring back in a return have to fit in a cap system that Lu's contract has a major role in preventing.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:49 AM

Yeah, Lu has been flawless in taking the team to the promised land. He had his chance and has blown it (as in chunks) every time. It's time to try something else.


Did you watch the Boston series? Do you understand the game of hockey? How many goals did the Canucks score in 7 games? How many times after getting 3 goals down did the canucks D just give up? Give your head a shake.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:52 AM

8 games in and most people here are wanting to dump Schneider. I don't want to see him evaluated after 4 games. Luongo has been playing well, as he usually does during the regular season. The lack of pressure on him is an interesting angle, as 'the pressure' situation is a long time Luongo discussion.

There's a good chance that Lu wants to be traded.

It's interesting that the Lu supporters seem to think he is the better goalie, but think that Schneids would get a much better return. ???

When I saw Lu lose his stick and bellyflop in the Chicago game, it brought back some bad memories. Those habits have been the theme of a drinking game in my neighbourhood pub.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:54 AM

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Schneider is the far superior goaltender in every facet of the game. He has had 1 bad game (Anaheim) in 2 years, maybe the Nashville game last yr. What is overlooked is the complete attention to defence the team plays in front of Luongo....scared to give up any kind of scoring chance.

It was the same last year. Roberto's played well the past few games. But, can you name more than 1 or 2 difficult saves ? the team simply doesn't give up scoring opportunities with him in the net. Even the Hawk goal on Friday he was flailing around for no reason. Think the Kings goals were tuff saves ? Colorado had no good scoring chances...almost whiifed on that early one off his handle.

I wish they would package Luongo(and ??) and find someone who can put the puck in the net on a consistent basis. This team hasn't had an elite "goal scorer" in a long time. Kessel would be great...

Come playoffs, when everyone pays the same attention to D as we do, TALENT is needed to get some goals. This deficiency needs to be addressed or we will have another quick exit this Spring

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:56 AM

no he's not. he's playing good now because he has absolutely no pressure. If they move Cory and the spotlight is back on him, it'll be more of the same.


And you are basing this off of...? Cory's been here the last 2 seasons now.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:58 AM

It takes a whole team to win. The idea of blaming the goalies is absurb. Both are excellent and we should keep both alternating each game. I just feel that Lou should be able to name his own goalie coach. Someone who knows his natural traits and does not try to change them.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:58 AM

man giving up 4-8 goals semi regular basis so i'm guessing ever 3-4 games and still have a goals against of 2.xx.. that's pretty impressive if you ask me


Don't think anyone could object to the fact that the last six games a team plays in the playoffs are the most important. Take a look at Lou's, it's not good. They are moving Lou because he has a tendency to fold in the playoffs. It's mind boggling that Lou plays well in the regular season (he has done so every year) and some of you forget the past.

Thee who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it.

2007-08 - Last 6 games: 4.59 GAA, 0.837 Sv%
2008-09 - Last 6 games: 3.31 GAA, 0.879 Sv%
2009-10 - Last 6 games: 3.52 GAA, 0.897 Sv%
2010-11 - Last 6 games: 4.12 GAA, 0.864 Sv%

Edited by Nino, 03 February 2013 - 11:13 AM.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:17 AM

Trade Schneider, in 2015 he walks because with the salary cap, we will not be able to afford him--7 million or more cap hit. At least with Luongo, you what your cap hit is going to be.

Edited by jmfaminoff, 03 February 2013 - 11:18 AM.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:20 AM

Schneider is the far superior goaltender in every facet of the game. He has had 1 bad game (Anaheim) in 2 years, maybe the Nashville game last yr. What is overlooked is the complete attention to defence the team plays in front of Luongo....scared to give up any kind of scoring chance.

It was the same last year. Roberto's played well the past few games. But, can you name more than 1 or 2 difficult saves ? the team simply doesn't give up scoring opportunities with him in the net. Even the Hawk goal on Friday he was flailing around for no reason. Think the Kings goals were tuff saves ? Colorado had no good scoring chances...almost whiifed on that early one off his handle.

I wish they would package Luongo(and ??) and find someone who can put the puck in the net on a consistent basis. This team hasn't had an elite "goal scorer" in a long time. Kessel would be great...

Come playoffs, when everyone pays the same attention to D as we do, TALENT is needed to get some goals. This deficiency needs to be addressed or we will have another quick exit this Spring

JMHO


Because of the new additions to the team and the los of Kes and Booth, AV has the tem playing a trap system. Against Chicago, they completely took away the rush speed of the Haeks with 5 guys back behind the red line and no effort at all to press in the offensive zone.

The team needed a few games to get that system working and has shown they can play that way in the last 3-4 games. Prior to that, they were a defensive zone disaster.

Just as it did for Brodeur, that system compliments the goalie and makes their stats look impressive. Most of Lu's big saves have been from fairly far out. Much farther than the 2 cough-ups from Edler and Garrison in the SJS game and Lu had time to set up.

It is a shame that so many are already looking to re-establish Lu as the #1 after 4 games when the Anaheim game would have been a blow out had Cory not stood on his head for the first 10 minutes and turned that into a shut out performance.

I have to believe it isn't so much about what is best for the team short-term or long-term but that many have chosen a goalie they like and simply want to be proven right. It feels like a mob-mentality on here the way the mood swings depending on a few performances. WIn and you are God and the other guy has to go. Lose and they want to burn you at the stake.

Edited by DIBdaQUIB, 03 February 2013 - 11:20 AM.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:22 AM

Schneider becomes the elite goalie everyone hopes he will be.


Schneider is elite. He's destined to win.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:24 AM

Trade Schneider, in 2015 he walks because with the salary cap, we will not be able to afford him--7 million or more cap hit. At least with Luongo, you what your cap hit is going to be.


Wow! So you really do project Cory's future as an elite goalie. Awesome!
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:30 AM

If we trade Schneider.

It will be like if Montreal traded Price instead of Halak, it is something we will regret. Just watch.


What the hell?

Price is the guy Montreal loves. He was always their #1, it just so happens their backup in Halak outplayed him during the playoffs and was their #1 for that run. Sound familiar? Yeah, that's right. Price is Luongo, and Halak is Schneider.

Price was always their #1, since the day they drafted him. Luongo will always be our #1, ever since June 23, 2006.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

In all reality it will be Luongo who will be dealt, Gillis has left himself with no other option. It would be a PR nightmare in addition to the poor message it sends to the team.

However, IMO you keep Lou for the following reasons:

1. Schneider would be easier to deal
2. Schneider would bring back more, making the team better overall
3. Lou is a class act and consummate professional. Not to say Cory isn't, but Lou's the type of guy you want on the team,
4. The quality of play between the two goalies is very close.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:33 AM

Schneider is elite. He's destined to win.


Wha??????? I thought Weekes was the goalie of the future :frantic:
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:39 AM

Don't think anyone could object to the fact that the last six games a team plays in the playoffs are the most important. Take a look at Lou's, it's not good. They are moving Lou because he has a tendency to fold in the playoffs. It's mind boggling that Lou plays well in the regular season (he has done so every year) and some of you forget the past.

Thee who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it.

2007-08 - Last 6 games: 4.59 GAA, 0.837 Sv%
2008-09 - Last 6 games: 3.31 GAA, 0.879 Sv%
2009-10 - Last 6 games: 3.52 GAA, 0.897 Sv%
2010-11 - Last 6 games: 4.12 GAA, 0.864 Sv%


2007-2008 - LOL, Luongo had the crappiest team i've ever seen in front of him. Brad Isbister, Byron Richie.. And Krajicek in the top 4. You honestly expected him to do well?
2008-2009/2009-2010 - Played against one of the best rosters this century. Stupid arguement, Chicago's team was beyond better than ours.
2010-2011 - .914 S%, 2.56 GA, 4 SO. Single-handedly won us Game 7 vs Chicago, Game 5 vs Sharks, 2 SO in SCF, out-played Pekka Rinne, even tough Rinne had the better team defensively.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:17 PM

First of all, why with all the change of heart. Because luongo has had a few decent games. Well know one has ever doubted that Luongo is a great talent. The fact that he's been playing good should not be a surprise. So again I ask why the change of heart.

Second why would Luongo want to stay here. He is constantly treated like garbage. He's had a few decent games this year and everything seems to be going good, just wait till he has one bad game, everyone will be jumping ship once again and calling for his head. He doesn't deserve that.

Third point. Has luongo played better than cory this year? Luongo hasn't had to stand on his head to win us any games. Emery stole CHI two points against the flames and Luongo hasn't had to bring that type of play yet. He's played good made some decent saves but is yet to stand on his head in a game. Take Corys first game out of the picture. His GAA is 1.66 and he hasn't played bad at all. The SJ game should have been 8-1 the way the rest of the team played.

So finally, think to your self, Why were originally going to trade Lou and keep cory? Luongo's poor performances in games that matter, Luongo's long contract, and Luongos age difference to corys. Was is that we thought cory is a better goalie? No, if anything Luo may be a bit better due to his experience but Cory long term is the way smarter option with far more upside. We need to stop thinking about win now at the cost of the teams future.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:21 PM

The Canucks would consider moving any player if brought the team the right return they are looking for. GM Mike Gillis has mentioned he is happy with his team's goaltenders, will wait on any deal until the right return is there or he will not make a move.

Luongo can let in 6 goals next time and as fans here are over the top in terms of being reactionary lol....the fans will sing the praises of Schneider.

Teams evaluate players over a pro-longed period of time, based on scouting, experience, and potential....Luongo playing well to start the season or Schneider earning a shutout don't make other teams suddenly want or not want an asset. Luongo is the more valuable asset in terms of netminders based on his body of work and his resume.

Canucks don't have to make any move...simply put they don't. To accomodate Luongo as Schneider develops they will explore their options in a possible move.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:23 PM

2007-2008 - LOL, Luongo had the crappiest team i've ever seen in front of him. Brad Isbister, Byron Richie.. And Krajicek in the top 4. You honestly expected him to do well?
2008-2009/2009-2010 - Played against one of the best rosters this century. Stupid arguement, Chicago's team was beyond better than ours.
2010-2011 - .914 S%, 2.56 GA, 4 SO. Single-handedly won us Game 7 vs Chicago, Game 5 vs Sharks, 2 SO in SCF, out-played Pekka Rinne, even tough Rinne had the better team defensively.




Good Arguement.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:35 PM

Because of the new additions to the team and the los of Kes and Booth, AV has the tem playing a trap system. Against Chicago, they completely took away the rush speed of the Haeks with 5 guys back behind the red line and no effort at all to press in the offensive zone.

The team needed a few games to get that system working and has shown they can play that way in the last 3-4 games. Prior to that, they were a defensive zone disaster.

Just as it did for Brodeur, that system compliments the goalie and makes their stats look impressive. Most of Lu's big saves have been from fairly far out. Much farther than the 2 cough-ups from Edler and Garrison in the SJS game and Lu had time to set up.

It is a shame that so many are already looking to re-establish Lu as the #1 after 4 games when the Anaheim game would have been a blow out had Cory not stood on his head for the first 10 minutes and turned that into a shut out performance.

I have to believe it isn't so much about what is best for the team short-term or long-term but that many have chosen a goalie they like and simply want to be proven right. It feels like a mob-mentality on here the way the mood swings depending on a few performances. WIn and you are God and the other guy has to go. Lose and they want to burn you at the stake.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:36 PM

I think Schnieds would be doing exactly what Lu is doing now, just can't play em both at the same time is all.

Edited by CanucksSayEh, 03 February 2013 - 12:36 PM.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:47 PM

By the time these playoffs start, it would have been 2 years since he's had playoff game.


Luongo played the first two games last year??? Did he not??

Games played: 2
SA% .891
GAA 3.59

Edited by ForsbergTheGreat, 03 February 2013 - 12:50 PM.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:49 PM

luongo gets the start vs oilers.... i actually didnt think cory would be behind the bench this long.
i know they didnt come out and say outright that cory was going to be the starter this year...but he must be pissed inside
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