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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:01 AM

I understand why many want to keep both but my view is we wouldn't really need two starting goalies if our defence could actually play a consistent 60 minute game, our forwards could score goals on a consistent basis when push comes to shove, and our coaching staff could get the best out of ALL the players on the roster on a consistent basis. We rely on BOTH Luongo and Schneider way too much and have for quite some time. Luongo was the only reason we made it to Game 7 of the SCF. 8 goals in 7 games? What business did the Canucks have making it that far? And neither Luongo or Schneider were the problem against LA. Look at the first sentence of the post and blame accordingly......Whichever guy we keep we are getting a goalie who deserves better than he gets from the fans and the media in Vancouver.......
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:16 AM

If the goal is a cup this year you keep the most qualified goalie for this run.

If the goal is to build for the future you trade what will give you the most in return.

We will know shortly which way the .org decides to go from what is offered.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:18 AM

If the goal is a cup this year you keep the most qualified goalie for this run.

If the goal is to build for the future you trade what will give you the most in return.

We will know shortly which way the .org decides to go from what is offered.


You think a deal is on the horizon?
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:52 AM

the Oilers would be a scary team for years to come if they get Schneider :shock: ......if we trade him, i hope he goes out east. :emot-parrot:

Edited by Toni Zamboni, 04 February 2013 - 02:55 AM.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:52 AM

If Luongo is traded now, right in the middle of the best season of his career where he's clearly hitting his prime late and playing the best hockey anyone has ever seen him play, MG will look like a fool.

Kesler is returning in a matter of days, Booth is on the horizon and Schneider is clearly not up to the task of a full-time starting position. He has not played well enough to show that he can handle the load, whereas Luongo is proving he's one of if not the best goaltender in the league this season.

A Luongo trade right now would be the single biggest blunder in Canucks history based on these facts, so MG better hold off all trade talks until either Luongo starts to cool off and show signs of his former, more fragile self or Schneider somehow outplays the 2nd best statistical goaltender in the NHL.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:03 AM

Cory hasn't even started 3 games in a row yet this season. Alain Vigneault is riding Luongo because he's hot right now - just like he rode Schneider last year when Luongo came back from injury but Cory was winning. Once Cory cooled off, he went back to his "true" number 1.

Bottom line, Cory has more upside. He's great right now and his best years are still ahead of him. As good as Roberto is, since we have to trade one of the two (we're spending $9 Million on goaltending this year after all) it should be Lu.
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Posted ImageMilk Hot Dog, on 04 February 2013 - 02:04 AM, said:




Luongo is short for Luongod. & it will be written... he was traded for our sins.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:08 AM

Though I suppose a Luongo trade could wait till August...
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Posted ImageMilk Hot Dog, on 04 February 2013 - 02:04 AM, said:




Luongo is short for Luongod. & it will be written... he was traded for our sins.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:44 AM

If the goal is a cup this year you keep the most qualified goalie for this run.

If the goal is to build for the future you trade what will give you the most in return.


We will know shortly which way the .org decides to go from what is offered.

Both of those statements indicate that Schneider should be traded...
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Kesler was lucky to score 20 this year since the injury to Morrison allowed him to do so.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:16 AM

Wow...the mob turned pretty quickly on Schneider.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:47 AM

Wow...the mob turned pretty quickly on Schneider.


only those with limited hockey intelligence, and really, you just kind of chuckle at those kind......they're good for entertainment value.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:55 AM

If we trade Luongo, we end up with a goalie who is struggling right now and won't put it together in the playoffs for another couple of seasons. No goalie goes and wins a Cup with 1 playoff win under his belt. Quick had a few bad playoffs before he put it all together last season to win a Cup. Thomas had years of failures before he finally worked it out and won a Cup.

The only 2 goalies in NHL history to win Cups without much playoff history are Patrick Roy and Martin Brodeur. So basically Schneider has to be an all-time NHL top-3 goaltender to win a Cup this season or next.

Quite frankly I don't like those odds, and don't want to bet the entire Canucks season on the chance that Schneider is a top-3 goalie in the history of the NHL, because it's most likely untrue.

Instead we should be going with the goalie who's been through the losses, gained invaluable playoff experience over time and only now looks like he's finally putting it all together with a great season. Luongo is in his prime NOW, you never trade an all-time top-10 goalie in his prime and go with a young rookie over them. MG traded Hodgson and stuck with the Sedins and Kesler when they were in their prime, so likewise we should stick to Luongo.

Show loyalty in a goalie who has shown this loyalty Gillis or it will cost this organization in more ways than one.



Ok so when do you to replace our goaltender?At what age!! No gaurantee that Loungo can play as long as Broduer. We're 8 games into the season and granted Lui is playing well. Also the team is playing better with a trap system in place. Loungo always played better in a trap system.
You make it sound like we lost in the Hodgson trade .Kassian is turning out pretty good so far wouldn't you say. If you want to talk about core in their prime and sticking with a more Veteran Goaltender . Well we tried that with the Burke and Nonis era? It doesn't always work either! Yes we all know that Cloutier isn't a Loungo but he had his success in the regular season and failures like every other Canuck Goaltender in the past. And don't get me wrong here I'm not comparing Clots to Lui here.
Also the fact Loungo always had a chance to redeem himself where Cory has not. After Cory gets a shutout and your top Dmen gives the puck up like candy not once but twice to put you in the hole in 5 mins in SJ ,Even Luongo couldn't stopped that.
So what's your point on Quick and Thomas? Both had two different paths. Yes nobody wins a cup winning one game. How many playoff games did Lui win last year? None! So in your argument is that Cory only won one game when he only lets in a total of three goals in three games. How many goals did our team score in those three games? Yet you can back up Loungo saying that the team didn't score enough in the finals against Boston. We probably would have a cup or two by now and Cory would have won more then one game ,had we had the offense to go with it.Theory Works both ways here DownUnda. Can we agree the team just dried up offensively in both of those series without blaming the goaltending?
Roy and Broduer are not the only Goaltenders IN NHL HISTORY TO win the cup with LITTLE or NO playoff experience. Grant Fuhr was playing with the Oilers at 19 and won a cup at 21. He only won two playoff games in his first year when the first round of the playoffs was a best of 5 back then. How about Marc Andre Fluery in Pittsburg . Mike Richter won a cup with little playoff experience. Bill Ranford won a cup back in 1990 with only 4 playoff games under his belt prior to that. Bernie Parent won cups with Philly only played less then a dozen playoff games. Ken Dryden only had 6 REGULAR season games under his belt. Chris Osgood was about Cory's age and didn't have alot of experience and at times struggled when he became a starter but won a cup.
The point is you keep bringing up little or no experience in your past post. My point is Those Goaltenders were givin the chance to prove themselfs at a younger age. Would you have given those goaltenders to prove themselfs DownUnda if you were Gillis or would you have shipped them out or sent them to the farm until their 24 ? Do you think those goaltenders you meantion would have won a cup if the Gm and coach had your way of thinking? Would you have gone with Roy DownUnda Considering he had a GAA in Major Jr over 5 the year before with a grand total of 4 playoff games under his belt in three years in Major Jr? Probably not! Not saying Cory will lead us there either , But at some point all the goaltenders meantioned above replaced a Vet at some point. And at some point a younger goaltender replaced them. Thats just the way it is.
Cory is 26 years of age in which the Canucks groomed for the last 8 years. Loungo started playing in the NHL around 22 years of age. Would you have let Loungo developed in the farm for another two years??
Loungo came to the Canucks Organization at 26 So if your saying in the past that Cory is unproven then why would you give Loungo at the time was an unproven playoff goaltender who never played on a team that finished above .5oo or never played in a hockey mad city? But you gave him a chance and so did everybody else.
Anyway you look at it's a gamble. We don't know if Loungo could turn into a Kirk Mclean and see his skills decline with age in a year or two ,Or he could be another Broduer Just like you don't know if Cory can't put it all together and miss the playoffs. Or he could be the next superstar and bite us in the rear in the future. Thats all speculations and assumptions.
DownUnda both Goaltenders have shown Loyolty to Gillis and the organizations. Like it or not. Both are cheering each other on, thinking about team first ,Being proffessional about the whole thing. And of course both want to play. Either way who goes lets just support who we have left.

Edited by canacks1970, 04 February 2013 - 09:29 AM.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:02 AM

I've been saying it all along. Lu's better, more proven, and Cory will fetch a better return. Simple as that.


That makes little sense. Wouldn't the proven commodity fetch a better return than an unproven commodity?
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:14 AM

Ok so when do you to replace our goaltender?At what age!! No gaurantee that Loungo can play as long as Broduer. We're 8 games into the season and granted Lui is playing well. Also the team is playing better with a trap system in place. Loungo always played better in a trap system.
You make it sound like we lost in the Hodgson trade .Kassian is turning out pretty good so far wouldn't you say. If you want to talk about core in their prime and sticking with a more Veteran Goaltender . Well didn't we tried that with the Burke and Nonis era? It doesn't always work either! Yes we all know that Cloutier isn't a Loungo but he had his success in the regular season and failures like every other Canuck Goaltender in the past. And don't get me wrong here I'm not comparing Clots to Lui here.
Also the fact Loungo always had a chance to redeem himself where Cory has not. After Cory gets a shutout and your top Dmen gives the puck up like candy not once but twice to put you in the hole in 5 mins in SJ ,Even Luongo couldn't stopped that.
So what's your point on Quick and Thomas? Both had two different paths. Yes nobody wins a cup winning one game. How many playoff games did Lui win last year? None! So in your argument is that Cory only won one game when only let in a total of three goals in three games. How many goals did our team score in those three games? Yet you can back up Loungo that team didn't score enough in the finals against Boston. We probably would have a cup or two by now and Cory would have won more then one game.Theory Works both ways here DownUnda. Can we agree the team just dried up offensively in both of those series without blaming the goaltending?
Roy and Broduer are not the only Goaltenders IN NHL HISTORY TO win the cup with LITTLE or NO playoff experience. Grant Fuhr was playing with the Oilers at 19 and won a cup at 21. He only won two playoff games in his first year when the first round of the playoffs was a best of 5 back then. How about Marc Andre Fluery in Pittsburg . Mike Richter won a cup with little playoff experience. Bill Ranford won a cup back in 1990 with only 4 playoff games under his belt prior to that. Bernie Parent won cups with Philly only played less then a dozen playoff games. Ken Dryden only had 6 REGULAR season games under his belt. Chris Osgood was about Cory's age and didn't have alot of experience and at times struggled when he became a starter but won a cup.
The point is you keep bringing up little or no experience in your past post. My point is Those Goaltenders were givin the chance to prove themselfs at a younger age. Would you have given those goaltenders to prove themselfs DownUnda or would you have shipped them out or sent them to the farm until their 24 . Do you think those goaltenders you meantion would have won a cup if the Gm and coach had your way of thinking? Would you have gone with Roy DownUnda Considering he had a GAA in Major Jr over 5 the year before with a grand total of 4 playoff games under his belt in three years in Major Jr? Probably not! Not saying Cory will lead us there either , But at some point all the goaltenders meantioned above replaced a Vet at some point. And at some point a younger goaltender replaced them. Thats just the way it is.
Cory is 26 years of age in which the Canucks groomed for the last 8 years. Loungo started playing in the NHL around 22 years of age. Would you have let Loungo developed in the farm for another two years??
Loungo came to the Organization at 26 with little Experience to a certain extent. Never played on a winning NHL Team that finished above .500, Nor has he ever played in Media or hockey mad city like Vancouver. Never even played a NHL Playoff game in his life until he got here. But you gave him a chance and so did everybody else.
Anyway you look at it's a gamble. We don't know if Loungo could turn into a Kirk Mclean and see his skills decline with age.
Or he could be another Broduer Just like We don't know if Cory can't put it together and miss the playoffs. Or he could be the next superstar and bite us in the rear in the future. Thats all speculations and assumptions.
DownUnda both Goaltenders have shown Loyolty to Gillis and the organizations. Like it or not. Both are cheering each other on, thinking about team first ,Being proffessional about the whole thing. And of course both want to play. Either way who goes lets just support who we have left.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:37 AM

2007-2008 - LOL, Luongo had the crappiest team i've ever seen in front of him. Brad Isbister, Byron Richie.. And Krajicek in the top 4. You honestly expected him to do well?
2008-2009/2009-2010 - Played against one of the best rosters this century. Stupid arguement, Chicago's team was beyond better than ours.
2010-2011 - .914 S%, 2.56 GA, 4 SO. Single-handedly won us Game 7 vs Chicago, Game 5 vs Sharks, 2 SO in SCF, out-played Pekka Rinne, even tough Rinne had the better team defensively.


A crappy team can contribute a lot to a poor GAA for a goaltender, but what about those save percentages? They can go downhill some but with Luongo they went right off a cliff.

Chicago was better than us in both '09 and '10 but I wouldn't say they were head and shoulders above us. We were only 4 points apart in the standings in '09 and in '10 we were equal in scoring during the season.

2.56 GAA and .914 Sv% are not numbers to get excited about in the playoffs or regular season in this day and age.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

First of all how does anyone know that Luongo provides the best opportunity to win a cup now. Because four games in he's posted some good numbers. Craig Anderson has posted better numbers does that mean he's a better option. Cory Schneider has yet to be giving the opportunity to show he is capable. Again if you remove the first game out of the equation, Cory's numbers don’t look have bad (1.66 GAA). In fact if everyone wants to forget about the past and based their judgement on this year alone, both goalies only have 2 wins, ONLY 2 wins, not enough to even us one round of playoffs and yet people are already considering Luongo the best chance to win. Seriously you don’t make a decision that has long term implications (next ten years) based on less than NHL 10 games.

Secondly, is everyone surprised that Luongo is playing good, He is a world class goalie and has always posted good regular season numbers, why the sudden shock? “Oh no Luongo played a few good games we better keep him for the next ten years and trade away our future”

Thirdly, People can say all they want, "that our window is closing, the team is getting older and we are now in a win NOW attitude". Well if our players are starting decline what makes anyone think Luongo will get it done now when he didn’t get it done when all our players were at the top of their games. In the big games our goalie needs to be bailing us out.

The fact of the matter is that this team doesn’t need to go make or break this year and mortgage our future. Trading Luongo is our best option for this team to be a contender for years to come. Consider the Calgary flames. It’s been over 4 years now where Calgary has considered the option of trading Iginla. They’ve held onto him year after year believing that with him the team could make playoffs and make another run for the cup like they did in 04. They’ve held onto him and his value has dropped and dropped. Now Calgary is nowhere near a cup run and haven’t made the playoffs since 09 and will not get near the value they could have, imagine what they could have got for him 4 years ago. Now the difference between us and Calgary is we have someone to replace our star, we don’t have to go into rebuild mode, and we have a goalie right now that can take over the number one position. We’ve been very fortunate to have a number of great seasons, which in turn hurt us In the drafting (drafting 24th-29th) If we can trade Luongo for some youth (role player, prospect, pick) we can remain a cup competitive team long after the twins slow down. It’s what makes sense. Luongo is the right option to trade, and he will likely go somewhere and still be a great goalie.

Edited by ForsbergTheGreat, 04 February 2013 - 10:51 AM.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:24 PM

Luongo is the one on a roll that is older and have gained fan support, Schneider is the younger guy with sky high potential that lost his starting job.

The situations aren't a dead ringer by anymeans, but there are comparables for either side of the argument.

We need to keep Cory, MTL chose the younger guy with the sky high upside and they got rewarded for it, we must do the same.

Unless a deal comes along that is just remarkably good for Cory or a deal comes along that helps us right now or gives us futures that won't be avaliable at a later date, then we should hold onto both, and move Lu is the offseason for futures.


I know the situation in Montreal because I live here, Price didn't had the fan's support when "Le Canadien" decide to trade Halak to St Louis. The Habs trade Halak the summer after their playoff run in 2010, losing in 5 agaisnt the Flyers. Pre-season home oppener game, Price let one bad goal and the crowd was booing him, than after in the post game interview he said to the fan "chill out we aren't winning the Stanley Cup in September" and than he get back the favor of the crowd.

The situation in Vancouver and the one in Montreal are way different, it's like if during the summer or before this season Mike Gillis trade Schneider and than Luongo get back the favor of our crowd. The only thing in common was there is two goalies who want to be number 1.
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We have more than we think in common with ''Le Canadien de Montréal''

Both have logo shapped in ''C''

Canadien and Canucks mean the samething

We both hate the Boston Bruins now

Alain Vigneault coached both teams

Rogers Arena, Centre Bell, it's phones company

We are blue white and green they are blue white and red

Our #1 goalie is from Qc, their #1 goalie is from BC


But we have one important thing different and I hope it will change after the next season, we don't have Stanley Cup banner


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:44 PM

First of all how does anyone know that Luongo provides the best opportunity to win a cup now. Because four games in he's posted some good numbers. Craig Anderson has posted better numbers does that mean he's a better option. Cory Schneider has yet to be giving the opportunity to show he is capable. Again if you remove the first game out of the equation, Cory's numbers don’t look have bad (1.66 GAA). In fact if everyone wants to forget about the past and based their judgement on this year alone, both goalies only have 2 wins, ONLY 2 wins, not enough to even us one round of playoffs and yet people are already considering Luongo the best chance to win. Seriously you don’t make a decision that has long term implications (next ten years) based on less than NHL 10 games.

Secondly, is everyone surprised that Luongo is playing good, He is a world class goalie and has always posted good regular season numbers, why the sudden shock? “Oh no Luongo played a few good games we better keep him for the next ten years and trade away our future”

Thirdly, People can say all they want, "that our window is closing, the team is getting older and we are now in a win NOW attitude". Well if our players are starting decline what makes anyone think Luongo will get it done now when he didn’t get it done when all our players were at the top of their games. In the big games our goalie needs to be bailing us out.

The fact of the matter is that this team doesn’t need to go make or break this year and mortgage our future. Trading Luongo is our best option for this team to be a contender for years to come. Consider the Calgary flames. It’s been over 4 years now where Calgary has considered the option of trading Iginla. They’ve held onto him year after year believing that with him the team could make playoffs and make another run for the cup like they did in 04. They’ve held onto him and his value has dropped and dropped. Now Calgary is nowhere near a cup run and haven’t made the playoffs since 09 and will not get near the value they could have, imagine what they could have got for him 4 years ago. Now the difference between us and Calgary is we have someone to replace our star, we don’t have to go into rebuild mode, and we have a goalie right now that can take over the number one position. We’ve been very fortunate to have a number of great seasons, which in turn hurt us In the drafting (drafting 24th-29th) If we can trade Luongo for some youth (role player, prospect, pick) we can remain a cup competitive team long after the twins slow down. It’s what makes sense. Luongo is the right option to trade, and he will likely go somewhere and still be a great goalie.


That's an excellent parallel to this situation.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 01:56 PM

Luongo is a high quality starter for the next 7 years, and a great back up for 3 more after that.

Any team that receives this asset in a trade from Vancouver is set it net for a long time.

Gillis needs to hold out for the right assets in return and that's what he is doing.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:03 PM

If Luongo is traded now, right in the middle of the best season of his career where he's clearly hitting his prime late and playing the best hockey anyone has ever seen him play, MG will look like a fool.

Kesler is returning in a matter of days, Booth is on the horizon and Schneider is clearly not up to the task of a full-time starting position. He has not played well enough to show that he can handle the load, whereas Luongo is proving he's one of if not the best goaltender in the league this season.

A Luongo trade right now would be the single biggest blunder in Canucks history based on these facts, so MG better hold off all trade talks until either Luongo starts to cool off and show signs of his former, more fragile self or Schneider somehow outplays the 2nd best statistical goaltender in the NHL.


How in the world can you come to the conclusion that Schneider can't handle a full work load? He barely got a chance before Luongo started stealing starts. Good grief.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:15 PM

That makes little sense. Wouldn't the proven commodity fetch a better return than an unproven commodity?


Maybe if they were both the same age. Cory's age, lack of NTC, and smaller cap hit make him worth more to other teams imo.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

I don't get the comparison though.

Price was more established and proven at the time (and in our case this is definitely Luongo)

Halak was the unproven goalie who was brilliant when he was given chances to play (our Schneider)


So according to that comparison, if we trade Luongo (Price) then we will regret it? (But of course there is the age factor)


You make a good point, we basically know what Luongo is all about.

Cory on the other hand has a much smaller body of work, which means his peak may not have been met.

I say Montreal did alright in that trade.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:29 PM

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VAN isn't trading Schneider.

Last week, Gillis said he hasn’t “been thinking about, thought of, or considered” trading Schneider.

Edited by oldnews, 04 February 2013 - 02:31 PM.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:51 PM

First of all how does anyone know that Luongo provides the best opportunity to win a cup now. Because four games in he's posted some good numbers. Craig Anderson has posted better numbers does that mean he's a better option. Cory Schneider has yet to be giving the opportunity to show he is capable. Again if you remove the first game out of the equation, Cory's numbers don’t look have bad (1.66 GAA). In fact if everyone wants to forget about the past and based their judgement on this year alone, both goalies only have 2 wins, ONLY 2 wins, not enough to even us one round of playoffs and yet people are already considering Luongo the best chance to win. Seriously you don’t make a decision that has long term implications (next ten years) based on less than NHL 10 games.

Secondly, is everyone surprised that Luongo is playing good, He is a world class goalie and has always posted good regular season numbers, why the sudden shock? “Oh no Luongo played a few good games we better keep him for the next ten years and trade away our future”

Thirdly, People can say all they want, "that our window is closing, the team is getting older and we are now in a win NOW attitude". Well if our players are starting decline what makes anyone think Luongo will get it done now when he didn’t get it done when all our players were at the top of their games. In the big games our goalie needs to be bailing us out.

The fact of the matter is that this team doesn’t need to go make or break this year and mortgage our future. Trading Luongo is our best option for this team to be a contender for years to come. Consider the Calgary flames. It’s been over 4 years now where Calgary has considered the option of trading Iginla. They’ve held onto him year after year believing that with him the team could make playoffs and make another run for the cup like they did in 04. They’ve held onto him and his value has dropped and dropped. Now Calgary is nowhere near a cup run and haven’t made the playoffs since 09 and will not get near the value they could have, imagine what they could have got for him 4 years ago. Now the difference between us and Calgary is we have someone to replace our star, we don’t have to go into rebuild mode, and we have a goalie right now that can take over the number one position. We’ve been very fortunate to have a number of great seasons, which in turn hurt us In the drafting (drafting 24th-29th) If we can trade Luongo for some youth (role player, prospect, pick) we can remain a cup competitive team long after the twins slow down. It’s what makes sense. Luongo is the right option to trade, and he will likely go somewhere and still be a great goalie.


That's an excellent parallel to this situation.


I'm going to second that. Not only for the last point but the first 2 as well. Couldn't have said it better myself.

BC sports fans are going to have to get over Geroy Simon leaving, and they are going to have to suck it up and get over Lu leaving as well.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 02:52 PM

Oh downunda keep those "facts" comin'.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:11 PM

If Luongo is traded now, right in the middle of the best season of his career where he's clearly hitting his prime late and playing the best hockey anyone has ever seen him play, MG will look like a fool.

Kesler is returning in a matter of days, Booth is on the horizon and Schneider is clearly not up to the task of a full-time starting position. He has not played well enough to show that he can handle the load, whereas Luongo is proving he's one of if not the best goaltender in the league this season.

A Luongo trade right now would be the single biggest blunder in Canucks history based on these facts, so MG better hold off all trade talks until either Luongo starts to cool off and show signs of his former, more fragile self or Schneider somehow outplays the 2nd best statistical goaltender in the NHL.

Is this the best season of Luongo's career? Is this the worst season of Schneider's career? I would venture to guess that it is far too soon to tell at this point, given the amount of games played. Statistics shift violently with every save and ever SOG when you have only played 8 games.
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Snake Doctor, on 23 May 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:snapback.png

Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:11 PM

Maybe if they were both the same age. Cory's age, lack of NTC, and smaller cap hit make him worth more to other teams imo.


Those factors make more teams interested in Schneids, but not necessarily worth more. The Luongo supporters are claiming that Lu is an elite, top 5, world class goalie who will continue to play well into his late 30's. While at the same time, Cory is an unproven goalie who has potential.

Given those details, shouldn't Lu receive more in a trade?
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:13 PM

Schneider's not getting traded. He's too good and too young. That being said, we'd be fools not to keep using Luo's services as much as we can while he's here. Not only is he playing better right now, he's getting to showcase his continued level of play that will only help us with a decent trade down the road.
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Every single one of them.

Thanks for the memories, Luo! :'(

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:19 PM

First of all how does anyone know that Luongo provides the best opportunity to win a cup now. Because four games in he's posted some good numbers. Craig Anderson has posted better numbers does that mean he's a better option. Cory Schneider has yet to be giving the opportunity to show he is capable. Again if you remove the first game out of the equation, Cory's numbers don’t look have bad (1.66 GAA). In fact if everyone wants to forget about the past and based their judgement on this year alone, both goalies only have 2 wins, ONLY 2 wins, not enough to even us one round of playoffs and yet people are already considering Luongo the best chance to win. Seriously you don’t make a decision that has long term implications (next ten years) based on less than NHL 10 games.

Secondly, is everyone surprised that Luongo is playing good, He is a world class goalie and has always posted good regular season numbers, why the sudden shock? “Oh no Luongo played a few good games we better keep him for the next ten years and trade away our future”

Thirdly, People can say all they want, "that our window is closing, the team is getting older and we are now in a win NOW attitude". Well if our players are starting decline what makes anyone think Luongo will get it done now when he didn’t get it done when all our players were at the top of their games. In the big games our goalie needs to be bailing us out.

The fact of the matter is that this team doesn’t need to go make or break this year and mortgage our future. Trading Luongo is our best option for this team to be a contender for years to come [. . .]

I wish I could give you more pluses. Like, a hundred more pluses.
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Snake Doctor, on 23 May 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:snapback.png

Miller is not on our list. It's Lack as our #1. There is no reason we would have traded both Schnieder and Luongo if we never intended to give Lack the #1 starting job.  Furthermore, the salary and term Miller is looking for is not in our favor.

 


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:35 PM

In a nutshell, the Canucks are obviously going to entertain offers for both goalies. We can argue about who is more valuable or who will fetch more in a trade all we want, but the fact is both these goalies are valuable commodities to any team in need of top notch goaltending. One is an experienced goalie still in his prime who is probably one of the top goalies of the past decade, while the other one is perhaps the best young goalie in the league whose best years are still to come.

It would be foolish of Gillis just to decide on one and only shop the other. Likely, Canucks brass has chosen one who they would rather go forward with, which common sense dictates would be the younger, cheaper Schneider, but they will certainly listen to offers for both because, quite frankly, both will attract pretty significant returns.

Edited by NuxFan09, 04 February 2013 - 03:37 PM.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

Honestly, I'm just excited to have both Luongo and Schneider on the team and am planning on enjoying it while it lasts. This is really like having the goalie equivalent of Crosby and Malkin on the team.
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