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#31 Markus Alexander Cody

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:26 PM

My god who cares. I love Hodgson and he's one of my favourite players but for the love of God, please stop with the comparisons. It's getting boring and pointless. Even I'm sick of seeing these threads
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:31 PM

What should also be mentioned is that Kassian also hits and fights for his teammates. Also Hodgson has been the beneficent of player with the best player in the league right now: Thomas Vanek.

Couldn't the same be said about Kassian? I mean, he is playing with 2 former Art Ross winners.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:36 PM

Race to more fights.

Hodgson loses by all the games he played before Kassian played.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:37 PM

Couldn't the same be said about Kassian? I mean, he is playing with 2 former Art Ross winners.


Ya but Vanek is paid more then either of them so clearly he's better.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:39 PM

read comment above yours... doesn't that hint that maybe Hodgson is helping his linemates out more?


Past success means nothing. Just because the Sedins won Art Ross', you can't assume that in any given time frame they will be better than Vanek.

Kassian has as many points as Daniel, 1 more than Henrik.

Vanek has 10 more points than Hodgson.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:48 PM

Kassian Fights = 2+1(Bonus for causing Concussion to Eager)

Hodgson = 0
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:49 PM

This isn't a fair comparison. You're comparing a Lucic/Bertuzzi type player with a purely offensive player completely based on points.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:51 PM

The fact that it is this close purely measured in points is a testament to Kassian
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:56 PM

Cody went on to do nothing last season in Buffalo after the trade. So would he have been a difference-maker against LA? Not likely. So you need to give MG a pass. Esp. when Coho, y'know, ASKED to be dealt.

Meanwhile, Buffalo's top line is lighting the lamp a lot, but they're also last in their division standings, due to them also giving up a lot of goals-against.

While Kassian has benefitted a lot from Sedin icetime, he's also done a lot on his own. The assist to Edler last game was his, not a Sedin's. He is looking more and more like a rare 'complete player' with size. Something that Cody will never be, of course.

The players will be forever compared, but if GM's were to pick between Lucic and Krejci on which player is more important to the Bruins, it's gonna be Lucic 9 times out of 10. This is because players like Lucic are far more rare than players like Krejci.

I don't think we have another Lucic in Kassian though. But a fair comparison might be Ryan Malone or Ryane Clowe, who are both VERY important players on their teams.

Just glad that Kassian is working out for us so far. If Hodgson gets more points this season, it'll be because of Vanek and a continuing team disregard for defense.

I am glad Kassian is a keeper. And every bit as good as Hodgson in his own way. I also think what he brings to the team, size and grit, is more needed than yet another small(ish) offensive player.....this season.

That said I think I have to remind people that the main objection to the trade was THE TIMING. We were trading away our 4th (I've heard 3rd?) leading scorer at the time of the trade. Top of the rookie heap as well with the Nuge out for a bit. And what was the main complaint in the playoff run the year previously? Not enough offense. AND they traded away this scoring potential knowing full well that Kesler had sustained a nagging shoulder injury in January, to go on top of his other recovery, which they kept secret. Of course they couldn't predict Keiths hit on Daniel just before the playoffs, but they should have known they were thin on offense going in.

And those that categorically state that it wouldn't have made any difference in the LA series......how do you know? We weren't blown away in games against LA. One or two goals or assists here and there might very well have allowed us to scrape through LA. And then with Daniel improving every day...who knows?

There is a definite window of opportunity which will end in a few years and Gillis in part gave up on last year to secure a prospect for the future. Lucky for us and him that Zack developed so quickly. I think it helped that the Sedins put him under their wings this last Summer in training. But there's no reason that Zack wouldn't have still been available in the Summer. (If not another talented gritty prospect) So we may have had not only Kassian here now, but a Stanley Cup parade as well, if Gillis had only held off, and AV had swallowed his baffling grudge against Cody. He should have lessened Keslers minutes in order for him to be more rested for the playoffs, (instead of the opposite) and increased Cody's minutes to give him even more experience and chemistry on the team going into the playoffs.

So yeah, today.....I am happy we have Kassian. But that does not mean I let MG off the hook for throwing away a scoring threat right before last years playoffs for a kid that was clearly not ready for prime time.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:59 PM

Lets not forget Hodgson is a year older too.


Hodgson lost like a year and a half of hockey/training due to his back injury.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:05 PM

Hodgson lost like a year and a half of hockey/training due to his back injury.

Which would be a knock on Hodgson, actually.

Kassian is more likely to break another player's back.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:05 PM

What a refreshing and original concept for a thread!

And what an amazing contribution you have made to it. Thread police. :)
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:08 PM

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:12 PM

What an original thread idea.



And by that I mean what an absolutely terrible thread.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:27 PM

Cody will likely finish with more points, it won't be a major difference though, and Zack will have alot of other things. (Fights, Hits) That will make up for it.

Now moving away from Cody for a second.

The thing with Zack is, if he is this good this season, I can't wait to see what he will be like next year.

next year? I can't wait to see what he brings when he is in his prime lets say he peeks at 26-27.. he will be a beast once he becomes a man... gotta realize he is still just a kid. he has a lot of size and strength to put on in the next few years, plus if he continues to produce better every year .. watch out.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:38 PM

read comment above yours... doesn't that hint that maybe Hodgson is helping his linemates out more?


Have you watched Vanek this year. He's carrying that line, not the other way around.

He'll win the Art Ross this year if he stays healthy.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:45 PM

read comment above yours... doesn't that hint that maybe Hodgson is helping his linemates out more?


Pretty sure Hodgson had like 3 points ( 2 goals that bounced off him into the net) while his linemates had like 18 between them... So I'd say no.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 07:28 PM

I hate the idea of comparing Hodgson to Kassian, as they are different players. I also hate the idea that you have to be on team CoHo or team Kassian. This isn't god damn Twilight. I like both players. So what?


For the sake of the argument that Kassian benefits from the Sedins (i.e. King ES), consider the following:

Goals/Assists that Hodgson has been in on that have not included one of Pominville or Vanek: 0/9

Goals/Assists that Hodgson has been in on that have not included Vanek: 1/9

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Goals/Assists that Kassian has been in on that have not included one of the Sedins: 3/6


50% of Kassian's points haven't been the result of contributions from the Sedins. On the other hand, none of Hodgson's points involved neither Vanek nor Pominville. In fact, for only one of Hodgson's points was Vanek alone not directly involved.

My conclusion: both are great players, for different reasons. But, if you want to claim that Kassian has the advantage because he plays with the Sedins, just look at the stats. Hodgson is more likely to benefit from the play of Vanek and Pominville than Kassian is to benefit from the Sedins.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 07:38 PM

I expect Cody HOdgson to out score Kassian. This is no secret. But Kassian is more benefit to us then a Cody Hodgson. I feel sorry for the kid too. They just drafte 2 centermans this year, so in a couple years, he will have to fight for a top 2 spot.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:09 PM

I expect Cody HOdgson to out score Kassian. This is no secret. But Kassian is more benefit to us then a Cody Hodgson. I feel sorry for the kid too. They just drafte 2 centermans this year, so in a couple years, he will have to fight for a top 2 spot.


Good for you for not posting that in the Luongo news thread.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:03 PM

And don't forget, Kassian's a year younger than CoHo.
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:12 PM

Imagine a line with the two of them on it? Team Canada 2018 maybe?
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:35 PM

Imagine a line with the two of them on it? Team Canada 2018 maybe?


That could be incredible. Naslund and Bertuzzi?
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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:43 PM

Oh the suite life of Zach and Cody...
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:12 AM

Don't forget about Marc-Andre Gragnani and Alexander Sulzer.

Alexander Sulzer 8 games played with Buffalo 2 goals and 1 assist for 3 points.

Marc-Andre Gragnani not playing in the NHL, not even a Canuck anymore.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:03 PM

I still question Kass's stamina. This is a heavy schedule to play 1st/2nd line minutes at 22 years of age and with Kass's big frame. It will be interesting to see if Kass get's the same amount of "protection" that Cody got when the team is all fit.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:09 PM

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Raymond - Schroeder - Higgins
Hansen - Lapierre - Malhotra


Well, AV pulled Kas off of the top line for the second half of the game and it was obvious that they have better chemistry with Burrows,
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 02:28 PM

What people still fail to understand is that they are BOTH good players in their own respect.

Don't be bitter that the Canucks traded Hodgson, he wasn't a good fit here, but Kassian is.

Both teams got the type of player they needed.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 09:49 PM

Omgggggg Hodson haz 10 pts!!! We los dat trade sooo bad, Kasian has nt foght in a long time to. Their is so much wrong with are managment.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:32 AM

This is the epitome of a good hockey trade. Both players are putting up numbers and contributing to their teams. Why everyone feels the need to have a clear winner in a trade I'll never understand.

And the disparaging of Hodgson is crazy. I'm a Sabres fan as well and have been for a very long time. Live about an hour from First Niagara and have been going to watch the Sabres for years. Hodgson is good. He created that third goal that got the Sabres back into the game against the Sens last night and then near tied it with seconds left. He worked it at the point and won the puck battle. Ended up with it behind the net and banked it off of Pominville charging hard to the net. Although I guess according to many of you Pominville gets no credit because it bounced off his stick, shin pad, skate before going in.

Kassian has been great and Hodgson is the number one centre on the most productive line in hockey. Good trade and both are and will likely be good players. And Hodgson, like Kassian, has improved a lot over last year. He isn't going away. The difference between him and Derek Roy is wide. I feel so much better watching that first line now.

And the Sabres are losing because Myers and Leopold are beyond awful and last night they were missing half of their top 6 D and by far their two best defenders in Ehrhoff and Sekera. If Myers could channel his play from his rookie season all would be good.

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