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#151 Aladeen

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

You're being deliberately obtuse.

MG's response was a direct response to a question regarding the trading of Lu.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

I agree, until he actually says "We have a deal in place regarding Roberto Luongo" it could be either of them.

In fact the quote be interpreted differently. “We have a potential deal in place with one team that has to do something with another player that they have — and it’s not who anybody thinks it is". The bolded may not refer to the player on the other team, it could very well be someone on our team as being the player nobody thinks it is (read: Schneider)


DId he not say in that same interview that he has not even considered trading Cory? If you believe what he is saying regarding the trade, you have to believe what he said about Cory. IN that case, the deal in place is for Lu.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:20 PM

LINK: http://blogs.theprov...ongo-wants-out/

Yesterday it was confirmed by newly re-signed head coach Alain Vigneault that Roberto Luongo does indeed want out of Vancouver. Alain Vigneault, talking to the show "The Match" (I have no idea what show that is either. First thought is they interview people while playing tennis), disclosed that "This is what he wants now And what we must do is [make the best decision] for our organization."


Anybody who claims that Luongo's desire to be traded is nothing but a media fabrication is either:

1) a recent tenant of a space under a rock,
2) at least selectively illiterate, or
3) a complete buffoon.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:20 PM

I don't think that by Luit coming out like that, he understands that his comments may give a hint to other teams that Canucks may have internal pressure to get the deal done and may present a less-than-ideal offer to MG, and of course, MG isn't going to bite on a subpar deal, which leads to an even longer wait, especially when Luongo continues playing at this awesome level.

If Luit wants the "problem" to be solved quickly, he should keep his comments internal with MG.

Edited by IMyMeMine, 05 February 2013 - 04:22 PM.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:21 PM

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Ignorance is bliss!
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:22 PM

Ignorance is bliss!

You must be the freaking happiest person on the planet
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:22 PM

You can take any comment out of context and spin it to your own agenda, right ES? (We see your practice of doing so post after post.)

As can the media, which does it all the time.........and don't forget a slew of disappointed fans at the time. You and others, including the media, having been putting words in MG's mouth and in Luo's mouth for months now. And I love it that now MG, AV and Luo himself are just toying with the media and the naysayers with each and every comment. Y'all are so easily led.......baaaaaaaa.........


Blah, blah, blah

Translation: I can't refute any of the facts that you've presented, so I'll just pretend instead to deny their existence.

All is always well in Canuckland, right Bertuzzi Babe?

Edited by King of the ES, 05 February 2013 - 04:23 PM.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:24 PM

You must be the freaking happiest person on the planet


And that would be a factor in this discussion how?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:25 PM

Funny, I don't see anywhere in that direct quote of MG's that there is a trade deal in place for Luo. Just merely more folks reading stuff into words that don't say that at all.

Baaaaaaa...., indeed.


Cody Hodgson never offered a direct quote that he wanted to be traded and/or that he was unhappy with his ice time.

I take it, then, since you're a person of integrity, that you don't think any of the rumblings that he was complaining about ice-time and/or interested in being traded had any merit?

Baaaaaa?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:25 PM

And that would be a factor in this discussion how?

Exactly buddy! Hey I know we'll grab you some Crayons and an unsharpened fork and you can have some fun in the corner.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

I agree, until he actually says "We have a deal in place regarding Roberto Luongo" it could be either of them.

In fact the quote be interpreted differently. “We have a potential deal in place with one team that has to do something with another player that they have — and it’s not who anybody thinks it is". The "who anybody thinks it is" may not refer to the player on the other team, it could very well be someone on our team as being the player nobody thinks it is (read: Schneider)


You do know that he talks pretty openly about moving Roberto regularly on the radio, right?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

Boggles the mind aftter all that has been said by Lu, MG , Coryetc that you guys still say Lu wasn't shopped yet you can say with certainty that Lu wants to stay, and the locker room wants him to stay.

I guess those in denial about MG's intent neer played "Connect the Dots" when they were young.


It's fairly clear that MG has tried to find a deal for Luongo, though we don't know what he is currently doing. We also know that, from what players like Burrows said right before the start of the season, that they would rather have him. Luongo has never been an issue in the locker room, or rather, all indications throughout his time here is that he has been great with them all. We do however, have no idea if Luongo wants to stay or doesn't want to stay, or even if he changed his mind on that one way or the other. We do know that MG has tried to trade him though, that is undeniable. Whether MG is STILL trying is totally unknown. We also are not privy to the types of deals we are getting offered and who those offers are for.

MG right now he is playing it very safe, as he should, and is probably looking at a wide variety of options. IMO, there's no need to be hasty. Most important thing is that the team is succeeding, and right now they are so tinkering might be a mistake.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:29 PM

Exactly buddy! Hey I know we'll grab you some Crayons and an unsharpened fork and you can have some fun in the corner.


I guess approach to the topic means you've run out of arguments and/or facts to support your position?.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:30 PM

Blah, blah, blah

Translation: I can't refute any of the facts that you've presented, so I'll just pretend instead to deny their existence.

All is always well in Canuckland, right Bertuzzi Babe?


If and when I see facts instead of media-or-fans-with-an-agenda-spun drivel, I will respond to them. Until then, I will consign those personal-agenda-driven ‘facts’ in the swill jar they deserve to be in.


Cody Hodgson never offered a direct quote that he wanted to be traded and/or that he was unhappy with his ice time.

I take it, then, since you're a person of integrity, that you don't think any of the rumblings that he was complaining about ice-time and/or interested in being traded had any merit?

Baaaaaa?


Off on another tangent when you can no longer stick to the discussion at hand. No surprise there. :lol:

Edited by Bertuzzi Babe, 05 February 2013 - 04:33 PM.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:31 PM

I guess approach to the topic means you've run out of arguments and/or facts to support your position?.

:lol: LOL please stop you're too funny man!
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:31 PM

Lu is the only "star" on this team that didn't take a discount to play here.
Have you ever heard him refer to the fans when he talks about why he plays or who he plays for? No. He talks about his teammates and himself.
LU is a great goalie and has performed well for Vancouver and I wish him well, but don't paint him as some kind of self-sacrificing martyr for the team.

Gillis and Gilman structure salaries,not Luo.
I don't buy for a second that 99.999% of pro players have total allegiance to their families and their team mates and the fans are a distant third,fourth or just a talking point.
These guys are hired guns,to be used and abused,fired and traded without any allegiance from the ownership and mgmt. teams,so they have to focus on their immediate lives.
With that said,Luo has given himself to the Vancouver community and charities ad nauseum.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:32 PM

If Luit wants the "problem" to be solved quickly, he should keep his comments internal with MG.


I'm sure that they've had many, many discussions over the past 365 days.

Schneider bailed out the organization by signing an early contract - not in his best interests - and thus not exposing the Canucks to an RFA poaching.

Presumably - yes, this is an assumption - he signed the contract under the idea that he was going to be this teams's #1 goalie - period. Meaning that Roberto Luongo would no longer exist on the Canucks.

Maybe Liut is just sick of Gillis' inaction.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:32 PM

It's fairly clear that MG has tried to find a deal for Luongo, though we don't know what he is currently doing. We also know that, from what players like Burrows said right before the start of the season, that they would rather have him. Luongo has never been an issue in the locker room, or rather, all indications throughout his time here is that he has been great with them all. We do however, have no idea if Luongo wants to stay or doesn't want to stay, or even if he changed his mind on that one way or the other. We do know that MG has tried to trade him though, that is undeniable. Whether MG is STILL trying is totally unknown. We also are not privy to the types of deals we are getting offered and who those offers are for.

MG right now he is playing it very safe, as he should, and is probably looking at a wide variety of options. IMO, there's no need to be hasty. Most important thing is that the team is succeeding, and right now they are so tinkering might be a mistake.


Well said!

Things have changed since the begining of the season and the play of various members of the team could well have MG altering his plans.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:32 PM

I agree with a lot of what Bertuzzi Babe is saying, but I have to admit that the proof IS there that the Canucks were - and maybe still are - working on a Roberto Luongo trade. Gillis is usually pretty secretive and vague, but even he hasn't bothered to dance around the fact that Luongo is on the trading block. The good thing is, unless there is in fact some unrest with Schneider and his camp, everyone involved has seemingly found a way to deal with the situation and do their jobs.

Similar situations, like Dany Heatley in Ottawa, got pretty ugly. The Canucks are lucky that their situation hasn't boiled over. Yet.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:34 PM



Can't even imagine who he's talking about here, when he says 'he would consider a new home' and 'we've looked into trade options but haven't found the right fit for the team'

Please, who was that conversation about, in the two goalie platoon? Or, was he just being vague? How about this. The media, everywhere, is talking about MG trading his star goalie, how about you show me a single - ONE - quote where he mentions they're not looking to trade Luongo? Because that seems like the kind of thing he'd do, if Luongo was not being shopped. Where's your goddamn proof?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:34 PM

:lol: LOL please stop you're too funny man!


What would you expect from the World's Happiest Man?!!
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:36 PM

DId he not say in that same interview that he has not even considered trading Cory? If you believe what he is saying regarding the trade, you have to believe what he said about Cory. IN that case, the deal in place is for Lu.


Do you honestly think he is going to come out and say "Yes I have thought about it"? Right after locking Corey up, not to mention being in the midst of dealing with the fabricated media stories and misquotes? Why would Gillis stir the pot, or make it look like a sign and trade.

When has Gillis ever told the media what he is up to honestly. It takes away all his negotiating leverage
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:36 PM

In fact, top of Google's search for 'Gillis Luongo Trade Denial' is an article, with video, of Gillis talking about how Luongo's contract won't be a deterrent to trading him. Your play, ignorant.

http://www.sportsnet..._trade_rumours/

EDIT: HE MENTIONS ROBERTO BY NAME IN THIS ONE OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:38 PM

If and when I see facts instead of media-or-fans-with-an-agenda-spun drivel, I will respond to them. Until then, I will consign those personal-agenda-driven ‘facts’ in the swill jar they deserve to be in.


"Facts" - you mean quotes? They're pretty easy to find.

What's Roberto's agenda when he says that it's best for both parties to move on?

What's Roberto's agenda when he says that it'd be a good fit for him to be a Panther again?

Off on another tangent when you can no longer stick to the discussion at hand. No surprise there. :lol:


I've already provided irrefutable quotes, so I thought to try a different approach.

Answer the question - was Cody a whiner that wanted more ice-time and thus asked to be traded, or was that all a media creation, like it is with Roberto wanting out?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:39 PM

A refusal to respond is just code for 'I've been defeated', I've been on enough forums in my lifetime to know when someone is dodging having to admit that they're wrong.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:41 PM

I would bet that Schnieder starts in Minny, Lou has been shakey there in the last few years, Give Schnieds his start and lets see what he's got. Also Mike Liut should know better than to spout off to the media! Boo Mike Liut.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

Last time someone complained about ice time.....


and a player playing great because he wants to be traded.Could = no starting goalie.
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

In fact, top of Google's search for 'Gillis Luongo Trade Denial' is an article, with video, of Gillis talking about how Luongo's contract won't be a deterrent to trading him. Your play, ignorant.

http://www.sportsnet..._trade_rumours/

EDIT: HE MENTIONS ROBERTO BY NAME IN THIS ONE OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG


OMGOMGOMGOMG, oh yes, it makes it so very clear that Luo is about to be traded this season, OMGOMGOMGOMG.....

"Roberto Luongo's contract won't stop him from being traded", says Vancouver Canucks general manager Mike Gillis.



Hmm......in response to a question about the money remaining on a contract, Gillis says the above. OF COURSE that means Luo is being traded imminently! OMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!!!! :picard:

Only a media with a pre-conceived notion and a need to sell newspapers and a spoon-fed legion of Luo detractors can possibly read an imminent trade into that comment. Perhaps people really are a whole lot more gullible than I thought. :lol:


And for ESBS........as I said previously in this thread, context is everything and folks seem awfully happy about pulling comments of Luo's, comments of Gillis', comments of Av's completely out of context to further their own agendas.

Edited by Bertuzzi Babe, 05 February 2013 - 04:55 PM.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:49 PM

What would you expect from the World's Happiest Man?!!

+1 Buddy, Have a great day, How could you not?
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:51 PM

Eyeroll. Alright. I guess you win? He's having an entire press conference talking about trading him, and I guess you just turned it off before he was talking about it? Whatever. I have better things to do than deal with this thick trash. Believe whatever you want, without proof. I understand that's a good way to get credibility.
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