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Posted 09 February 2013 - 12:51 PM

Yeah buddy i understand ,you have absolutely no respect for justice , you are merely interested in the letter of the law , and are quite happy to see a murderer be sentenced to 15 days for his crime , and a young girl get twice as much for flippping the bird to a judge.


I am so fortunate to count you among my friends, Dave. Keep telling the truth, even when others don't want to hear it. This was my point exactly. No respect for justice, just an infuriatingly stubborn interest in the letter of the law, with no clear vision of the mitigating circumstances or grey areas of any case. Right on.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:03 PM

The way to earn the respect of people isn't by caging them. The Judge is proving he does not deserve respect. The sheer scope of the hypocrisy here boggles the imagination. Imagine the outrage if a man did this to his wife, claiming that he was entirely justified because she wasn't being respectful of him. Respect is an involuntary response to virtue. It is something that can only be commanded or faked at great cost to the mental health of both parties involved.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:07 PM

The way to earn the respect of people isn't by caging them. The Judge is proving he does not deserve respect. The sheer scope of the hypocrisy here boggles the imagination. Imagine the outrage if a man did this to his wife, claiming that he was entirely justified because she wasn't being respectful of him. Respect is an involuntary response to virtue. It is something that can only be commanded or faked at great cost to the mental health of both parties involved.


And Ms. Soto clearly proved and demonstrated she deserved no respect, either. She was clearly warned about her behavior and attitude prior to the judge sending her to jail for contempt of court.

The issue is not about if a man did this to his wife. it's about a snotty, mouthy, disrespectful young woman who broke the law and was in court for her bail hearing. Apples and orangutans.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:11 PM

And Ms. Soto clearly demonstrated she deserved no respect, either.

The issue is not about if a man did this to his wife. it's about a snotty, mouthy, disrespectful young woman who broke the law and was in court for her bail hearing. Apples and orangutans.


Sure, she's no prize peach. But it's not like she kidnapped anybody. Unless you would be willing to throw her in a cage with your own hands you have no rational or ethical cause for cheerleading the sociopath that did.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:17 PM

Sure, she's no prize peach. But it's not like she kidnapped anybody. Unless you would be willing to throw her in a cage with your own hands you have no rational or ethical cause for cheerleading the sociopath that did.


Given the same circumstances and being the judge sitting on the bench with the tools of the court at hand, I would have sentenced her for contempt of court. The lesson was served, the expected outcome accomplished and Ms. Soto is no longer in a cell for contempt of court and has a little more knowledge about acceptable behavior in a court of law. And if that makes me a 'sociopath' as you have described the judge in the case.......then you need to reassess your definition of 'sociopath'.

Sociopath: A person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

I'd be a tad more careful about throwing that term around so loosely and incorrectly, if I were you.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:30 PM

Given the same circumstances and being the judge sitting on the bench with the tools of the court at hand, I would have sentenced her for contempt of court. The lesson was served, the expected outcome accomplished and Ms. Soto is no longer in a cell for contempt of court and has a little more knowledge about acceptable behavior in a court of law. And if that makes me a 'sociopath' as you have described the judge in the case.......then you need to reassess your definition of 'sociopath'.

Sociopath: A person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

I'd be a tad careful about throwing that term around so loosely and incorrectly, if I were you.


Throwing somebody in a cage is about as extreme an antisocial behavior there is. If my goal is to get somebody to respect me, using the "tools" of fear, intimidation, kidnapping and caging are the exact opposite of the approach I would take. The best way to earn respect is to model it. Punishing someone and treating them a hundred times worse than they have treated you is only going to exacerbate whatever it is that makes them not trust or respect you in the first place.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:36 PM

Throwing somebody in a cage is about as extreme an antisocial behavior there is. If my goal is to get somebody to respect me, using the "tools" of fear, intimidation, kidnapping and caging are the exact opposite of the approach I would take. The best way to earn respect is to model it. Punishing someone and treating them a hundred times worse than they have treated you is only going to exacerbate whatever pathology it is that makes them not trust or respect you in the first place.


And that is your prerogative..the touchy, feely approach. But you know what? That doesn't always work either. It didn't work here. The judge was mild in his manner up until the defendant choose to behave the way she did. Ms. Soto was clearly warned about her behavior, chose to ignore it and in fact, behaved even worse after the admonishment from the judge. A clear, to the point lesson was required. It was given. There was a positive modification in behavior. Mission accomplished.

You really think Ms Soto respected the judge or the court when she was there the first time around? The judge did nothing to earn her attitude and behavior displayed, in fact warned her and gave her an opportunity to modify it. She chose not to. And the consequence of her actions was jail time for contempt of court. Her choice, her consequences. After the judge afforded her the benefit of the doubt and offered the opportunity for her to change her behavior.

A 'sociopath', indeed..... this would be laughable if it weren't so sad. :picard:

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:17 PM

The system no longer deserves respect, and the Boomers that run it now never deserved any, nor have any leg to stand on as far as demonstrating any sense of accountability or ethical standards of any kinds.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:24 PM

The system no longer deserves respect, and the Boomers that run it now never deserved any, nor have any leg to stand on as far as demonstrating any sense of accountability or ethical standards of any kinds.


There are definitely things about the system that are broken and imperfect, this judge is not one of them. In fact, in a society with a large number of self-entitled young people, he actually has the balls to make people accountable for their own behavior. Imagine that......what a 'sociopath'.

Your posts appear to display some sort of utopian paradise you'd prefer to live in. Wouldn't we all? But this is not reality. Blaming everything on 'the Boomers' as you sit behind your keyboard isn't really doing a whole lot to fix or change the 'system' is it? I understand some folks need someone to blame and you are surely not the first, nor will you be the last, to do so.

When you become the generation of tomorrow's 'Boomers', you will no doubt be assigned all the blame for everything that is wrong in the world or with the 'system' at that particular time. And by the time you reach this venerable 'Boomer' age, you will have acquired a tonne more knowledge about the actual realities of the world and how it works. Good luck with being assigned and accepting your 'responsibility' for all that will be wrong with the world when the next couple of generations turn the generalization of responsibility your way. :)

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 04:01 PM

There are definitely things about the system that are broken and imperfect, this judge is not one of them. In fact, in a society with a large number of self-entitled young people, he actually has the balls to make people accountable for their own behavior. Imagine that......what a 'sociopath'.

Your posts appear to display some sort of utopian paradise you'd prefer to live in. Wouldn't we all? But this is not reality. Blaming everything on 'the Boomers' as you sit behind your keyboard isn't really doing a whole lot to fix or change the 'system' is it? I understand some folks need someone to blame and you are surely not the first, nor will you be the last, to do so.

When you become the generation of tomorrow's 'Boomers', you will no doubt be assigned all the blame for everything that is wrong in the world or with the 'system' at that particular time. And by the time you reach this venerable 'Boomer' age, you will have acquired a tonne more knowledge about the actual realities of the world and how it works. Good luck with being assigned and accepting your 'responsibility' for all that will be wrong with the world when the next couple of generations turn the generalization of responsibility your way. :)


The Boomers are thee entitled generation, and have not only failed to lead by example but have done their best to see to it that later generations will live in an ever more institutionized environment, the ultimate punishment whether deserved or not.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 04:42 PM

There are definitely things about the system that are broken and imperfect, this judge is not one of them. In fact, in a society with a large number of self-entitled young people, he actually has the balls to make people accountable for their own behavior. Imagine that......what a 'sociopath'.

Your posts appear to display some sort of utopian paradise you'd prefer to live in. Wouldn't we all? But this is not reality. Blaming everything on 'the Boomers' as you sit behind your keyboard isn't really doing a whole lot to fix or change the 'system' is it? I understand some folks need someone to blame and you are surely not the first, nor will you be the last, to do so.

When you become the generation of tomorrow's 'Boomers', you will no doubt be assigned all the blame for everything that is wrong in the world or with the 'system' at that particular time. And by the time you reach this venerable 'Boomer' age, you will have acquired a tonne more knowledge about the actual realities of the world and how it works. Good luck with being assigned and accepting your 'responsibility' for all that will be wrong with the world when the next couple of generations turn the generalization of responsibility your way. :)


BB I respect you and your opinions but I disagree with your assessment of this incompetent judge not being broken and imperfect. He has a track record of being antagonistic and having a flair for the dramatic, and like it or not, his ego clearly got in the way of his judgment in this case. I'm in no way insinuating that this girl is angelic or blameless...but at the same time, I 100% disagree with any assumptions made in this thread that this judge deserves respect simply because he's a judge. Given my experiences as well as my friend's, whom I mentioned earlier, with the Florida court and law enforcement in particular, I can state very affirmatively that respect is earned, not given...and that goes for the ones sitting behind the bench as well as the ones standing trial. Simply attaining the title of "Your Honor" does not give someone carte blanche to be a douche and swing a heavy handed gavel and act like a pugnacious bully and then demand respect. I know that's how it is...but it damn well shouldn't be like that. You oughta treat people the way you want to be treated, no matter what their standing or status is in society. We should try to get along with one another...try to empathize with people who are in trouble instead of vilifying them and locking them away...this girl obviously has a prescription drug addiction, which is poison in itself...It's my opinion that she likely wasn't in her right mind. For those making the point of her "not being high" when she had her court appearance...I've got news for you, my friends. Xanax is no joke. It is a benzodiazapene which stays in your system for an absurdly long amount of time once you start taking it. She may not have taken Xanax the morning of her appearance...but you can bet your ass that the drug was affecting her adversely from the last time she did take it. To completely flush Xanax from your system it can take anywhere from three weeks to a month AFTER you've stopped taking it altogether. These drugs poison your mind and prevent you from making rational decisions (speaking from experience) and I'll say exactly what I said before. If there was no Xanax in this case...there wouldn't be a case. The drug is the problem...because I believe it caused her behavior that day. Once again...her attitude itself wasn't the problem the Xanax she's obviously addicted to, which in turn caused the attitude...is the problem.

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Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:01 PM

Why do I feel us spiraling towards the "Zagnut Bar defense"? .. I agree with the judge under the circumstance .. it seems to have brought about the desired effect ..

The US of A has 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds prisoners, apparently .. that is what happens when you privatize prisons and develop a Prison Industrialized Complex based around a "War on Drugs" ..

I can feel the Great American Society slowly being sucked into a class vortex .. best dig yer bunker deeper ..
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:02 PM

The Boomers are thee entitled generation, and have not only failed to lead by example but have done their best to see to it that later generations will live in an ever more institutionized environment, the ultimate punishment whether deserved or not.


I guess you missed the Industrial Revolution .. everything is cyclic .. we just need a good old revolution to re-set the pendulum .. :frantic:
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:08 PM

Why do I feel us spiraling towards the "Zagnut Bar defense"? .. I agree with the judge under the circumstance .. it seems to have brought about the desired effect ..

The US of A has 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds prisoners, apparently .. that is what happens when you privatize prisons and develop a Prison Industrialized Complex based around a "War on Drugs" ..

I can feel the Great American Society slowly being sucked into a class vortex .. best dig yer bunker deeper ..


When the American voting public finally wakes up, gets their head out of their collective asses and realize how much money is being expended for this laughably preposterous war on drugs...which really is nothing more than a thinly veiled crusade against the hippie subculture, then maybe they can release all of these nonviolent drug offenders clogging up the jails and prisons and reserve that room for the violent offenders that have perpetrated unconscionable acts against their fellow man and in the process fix the god damn economy.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:11 PM

When the American voting public finally wakes up, gets their head out of their collective asses and realize how much money is being expended for this laughably preposterous war on drugs...which really is nothing more than a thinly veiled crusade against the hippie subculture, then maybe they can release all of these nonviolent drug offenders clogging up the jails and prisons and reserve that room for the violent offenders that have perpetrated unconscionable acts against their fellow man and in the process fix the god damn economy.


Right on, brother .. too bad the unemployment rate would sky rocket .. maybe they could invade Iran and get those folks into the Armed Forces? .. B)
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:18 PM

Wow, 15 pages of wingman post padding. Unbelievable. Now I understand where the incredibly high post counts come from. :sadno:
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:20 PM

Right on, brother .. too bad the unemployment rate would sky rocket .. maybe they could invade Iran and get those folks into the Armed Forces? .. B)


I'm drawing a blank on how long ago it was...but didn't there use to be some sort of alternate punishment for crimes in America that entailed the defendant serving in the military for however long the sentence was supposed to be originally? You know...say you get caught selling coke on a first time non-violent drug offense...like give them a choice...2 years behind bars, or 2 years in the military...either way they learn some level of discipline and they're pretty likely never to commit that same crime again if they chose the military option, eh?
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:24 PM

I'm drawing a blank on how long ago it was...but didn't there use to be some sort of alternate punishment for crimes in America that entailed the defendant serving in the military for however long the sentence was supposed to be originally? You know...say you get caught selling coke on a first time non-violent drug offense...like give them a choice...2 years behind bars, or 2 years in the military...either way they learn some level of discipline and they're pretty likely never to commit that same crime again if they chose the military option, eh?


I know there were cases during the Nam era when first offenders were offered choices .. jail, The Nam or Canada .. :lol:
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:26 PM

When the American voting public finally wakes up, gets their head out of their collective asses and realize how much money is being expended for this laughably preposterous war on drugs...which really is nothing more than a thinly veiled crusade against the hippie subculture, then maybe they can release all of these nonviolent drug offenders clogging up the jails and prisons and reserve that room for the violent offenders that have perpetrated unconscionable acts against their fellow man and in the process fix the god damn economy.



The war on drugs effectively predates the hippies, before they came along it was about blacks and browns mostly. Also hippies, in their orginal form at least, stopped being nationally relevant a long time ago.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:32 PM

The war on drugs effectively predates the hippies, before they came along it was about blacks and browns mostly. Also hippies, in their orginal form at least, stopped being nationally relevant a long time ago.


War on drugs effectively declared in 1970 .. it was a way better than declaring a "War on MInorities", which is basically what it was and is .. an estimated trillion dollars spent thus far .. it is a great way to deprive minorities of their right to vote ..

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

The war on drugs effectively predates the hippies, before they came along it was about blacks and browns mostly. Also hippies, in their orginal form at least, stopped being nationally relevant a long time ago.


Wrong. The War on Drugs was a Nixon administration idea, that quite obviously began because they were radically anti-hippie. It began in earnest in 1968, which is the heart of the Hippie era.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:46 PM

All this aside...I'd actually be in favor of a War on Prescription Drug Abuse. Why don't we start by holding these quack psychotherapists and psychiatrists who prescribe Adderall and Ritalin to children as young as 10 years old accountable?. We should start throwing these people in jail in the place of the nonviolent drug offenders. They're waging a war on the wrong drugs. Kids today aren't smoking pot...they're doing meth and snorting Xanax and Oxycontin. If they'd refocus their attention on the ACTUAL problem, maybe they'd get some results.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 05:53 PM

^ ^ ^ Right on, Big Chief ..
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:24 PM

Wrong. The War on Drugs was a Nixon administration idea, that quite obviously began because they were radically anti-hippie. It began in earnest in 1968, which is the heart of the Hippie era.


Drug laws crafted around a racial agenda go back a LOT further than the hippies, what changed in the '60s is that they actually started going after a large group of white people.



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Posted 09 February 2013 - 07:56 PM

All this aside...I'd actually be in favor of a War on Prescription Drug Abuse. Why don't we start by holding these quack psychotherapists and psychiatrists who prescribe Adderall and Ritalin to children as young as 10 years old accountable?. We should start throwing these people in jail in the place of the nonviolent drug offenders. They're waging a war on the wrong drugs. Kids today aren't smoking pot...they're doing meth and snorting Xanax and Oxycontin. If they'd refocus their attention on the ACTUAL problem, maybe they'd get some results.


RIGHT ON BROTHER .

I was sent to a psychiatrist in my early teens and she wanted to me to take prescription psych drugs, it was only my parents aversion to that particular therapy that saved me from that BS.

Who is really to blame if an 18 year old girl has a prescription drug habit ?
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 08:06 PM

RIGHT ON BROTHER .

I was sent to a psychiatrist in my early teens and she wanted to me to take prescription psych drugs, it was only my parents aversion to that particular therapy that saved me from that BS.

Who is really to blame if an 18 year old girl has a prescription drug habit ?

According to the arrest affidavit it was not her prescription and she was found with three green baggies full of Xanax, hence the charge of illegal possession of Xanax.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 09:56 PM

According to the arrest affidavit it was not her prescription and she was found with three green baggies full of Xanax, hence the charge of illegal possession of Xanax.


It doesn't matter if it was her prescription or not, the point still stands that she's got an addiction to prescription drugs and that is the main problem here, not her smart ass attitude or anything else. You want to eliminate a problem, you cut the head off. The head in this case is her addiction to Xanax. Furthermore, you don't solve this problem by throwing her in jail because of an outburst in court, you solve it by sentencing her to rehab or a similar program so she can kick the habit.
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Well I tell you what Heretic..if Tim Tebow becomes Terry Bradshaw I will shave off all my hair, convert to Christianity, go into the ministry and become a preacher.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:13 PM

According to the arrest affidavit it was not her prescription and she was found with three green baggies full of Xanax, hence the charge of illegal possession of Xanax.


So ?

That does not answer my question.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:22 PM

Let us hope Obama's proposed Mental Health Bill goes through .. maybe it can help? .. mind you, I believe the Democratic Party is owned by Big Pharma ..

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