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Posted 09 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

So ?

That does not answer my question.

It seems a complete answer.

She was abusing a drug that was not being prescribed to her.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 11:29 PM

It seems a complete answer.

She was abusing a drug that was not being prescribed to her.


You do not seem to comprehend my question.

WHY does a teenage girl have a prescription drug problem .

Why is this not the fault of the parents who have failed in their duty to protect their daughter from these drugs ?

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:01 AM

It doesn't matter if it was her prescription or not, the point still stands that she's got an addiction to prescription drugs and that is the main problem here, not her smart ass attitude or anything else. You want to eliminate a problem, you cut the head off. The head in this case is her addiction to Xanax. Furthermore, you don't solve this problem by throwing her in jail because of an outburst in court, you solve it by sentencing her to rehab or a similar program so she can kick the habit.


Your rationality in defiance of "the facts" and "the law" is great. If only you used paragraphs :P

My hat goes off to you sir.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:40 AM

You do not seem to comprehend my question.

WHY does a teenage girl have a prescription drug problem .

Why is this not the fault of the parents who have failed in their duty to protect their daughter from these drugs ?

Why?

Because Zanax bars are an illegal street drug?
http://www.pmmedia.com/Xanax.htm

You could say that parents have failed to protect their children from any number of drugs.so your question is of little relevance.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:43 AM

It doesn't matter if it was her prescription or not, the point still stands that she's got an addiction to prescription drugs and that is the main problem here, not her smart ass attitude or anything else. You want to eliminate a problem, you cut the head off. The head in this case is her addiction to Xanax. Furthermore, you don't solve this problem by throwing her in jail because of an outburst in court, you solve it by sentencing her to rehab or a similar program so she can kick the habit.

And that is what occurred whens she appeared on a substantive charge.

However that is something separate and apart from criminal contempt. She claimed to to not be high when she made her first appearance that resulted in her citation for contempt. And when she purged her contempt and acknowledged her drug use, the citation was vacated.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:38 AM

Let us hope Obama's proposed Mental Health Bill goes through .. maybe it can help? .. mind you, I believe the Democratic Party is owned by Big Pharma ..


Charlie the entire US government is owned by Big Tobacco, the oil companies, the religious lobbies, Big Pharma..every single one of them has their hands down America's pants, and all anyone wants to talk about is gun control. It makes me sick to my stomach that the real problems aren't being addressed and not very proud to be an American, actually.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:41 AM

Your rationality in defiance of "the facts" and "the law" is great. If only you used paragraphs :P

My hat goes off to you sir.


I appreciate the support. :)
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:11 PM

Why?

Because Zanax bars are an illegal street drug?
http://www.pmmedia.com/Xanax.htm

You could say that parents have failed to protect their children from any number of drugs.so your question is of little relevance.


A teenage girl does not reach the age of 18 and just aquire a prescription drug habbit out of the blue.

The reason for her drug habit is very relevant , one which the judge should be trying to ascertain in order to make a balanced judgement , one which will help this girl overcome her problems.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:23 PM

A teenage girl does not reach the age of 18 and just aquire a prescription drug habbit out of the blue.

The reason for her drug habit is very relevant , one which the judge should be trying to ascertain in order to make a balanced judgement , one which will help this girl overcome her problems.


Right on. I'm very willing to wager she's probably been addicted to Xanax since at least early to mid high school if not earlier than that. Her addiction cannot be waved aside as if it has no relevance in this case, anyone who believes that way is not seeing the forest for the trees. From the original story seeing as how the prescription wasn't hers, she has also likely been selling Xanax since she started abusing it. Kids get a hold of these scrip drugs and sell them at a premium in school or otherwise, make quick cash doing it, and immerse themselves into a lifestyle that most of them sadly never emerge from. Benzodiazepenes like Xanax have been linked to high suicide rates among 12-19 year olds, and they should be banned.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:30 PM

A teenage girl does not reach the age of 18 and just aquire a prescription drug habbit out of the blue.

The reason for her drug habit is very relevant , one which the judge should be trying to ascertain in order to make a balanced judgement , one which will help this girl overcome her problems.

Actually countless teenagers are acquiring a drug habit "out of the blue" as Xanax bars have become one of the more widely available illegal recreational drugs - it can even be ordered over the internet without a prescription from non-US based sources and it is being manufactured illicitly.

The judge on first appearance did inquire of Ms. Soto if she was on drugs and she stated she was not. He then dealt with her upon her misconduct. once she appeared before him a second time to purge her contempt and admitted that she was in fact on drugs during her first appearance, he set aside the order for her incarceration. The judge also ordered the record of her contempt scrubbed so that in future she would not have a criminal record.

The judge dealing with her appearance on the substantive charges took into account the plea deal reached between Ms. Soto's Public Defender and the reasons therefore - reducing the 26 possession charges to one and accepting that Ms. Soto should go into a drug rehab program which if she completes successfully will wipe out the charges for possession.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:32 PM

Right on. I'm very willing to wager she's probably been addicted to Xanax since at least early to mid high school if not earlier than that. Her addiction cannot be waved aside as if it has no relevance in this case, anyone who believes that way is not seeing the forest for the trees. From the original story seeing as how the prescription wasn't hers, she has also likely been selling Xanax since she started abusing it. Kids get a hold of these scrip drugs and sell them at a premium in school or otherwise, make quick cash doing it, and immerse themselves into a lifestyle that most of them sadly never emerge from. Benzodiazepenes like Xanax have been linked to high suicide rates among 12-19 year olds, and they should be banned.

Basing this lack of facts and making baseless inferences seems the standard MO in this thread.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:35 PM

They're becoming more widely available because the dumb **** psychiatrists keep prescribing them to everyone. And not just adults, but young teenagers who are clueless as to what the side effects could be.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:37 PM

They're becoming more widely available because the dumb **** psychiatrists keep prescribing them to everyone. And not just adults, but young teenagers who are clueless as to what the side effects could be.

They are widely available because they are available from illicit sources.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:42 PM

Actually countless teenagers are acquiring a drug habit "out of the blue" as Xanax bars have become one of the more widely available illegal recreational drugs - it can even be ordered over the internet without a prescription from non-US based sources and it is being manufactured illicitly.

The judge on first appearance did inquire of Ms. Soto if she was on drugs and she stated she was not. He then dealt with her upon her misconduct. once she appeared before him a second time to purge her contempt and admitted that she was in fact on drugs during her first appearance, he set aside the order for her incarceration. The judge also ordered the record of her contempt scrubbed so that in future she would not have a criminal record.

The judge dealing with her appearance on the substantive charges took into account the plea deal reached between Ms. Soto's Public Defender and the reasons therefore - reducing the 26 possession charges to one and accepting that Ms. Soto should go into a drug rehab program which if she completes successfully will wipe out the charges for possession.


Damn right , and most of them are under the age of 18 making this the responsibilty of the parents , and a society which is prescribing and despensing these drugs that are ruining kids lives.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

Had a 12 year old cousin who five months ago hung himself not three months after he'd been prescribed Adderall and Prozac. Excuse me if I seem a bit vehement in my dislike for pharmaceutical drugs and the mental midget psychiatrists that prescribe them to pre-teenagers.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:50 PM

Damn right , and most of them are under the age of 18 making this the responsibilty of the parents , and a society which is prescribing and despensing these drugs that are ruining kids lives.

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Parents cannot be responsible for teenagers 24/7 when they are indulging in illegal behaviours.

The police affidavit makes it clear that Ms. Soto acquired the non-prescription 26 Xanax bars illegally.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:52 PM

Had a 12 year old cousin who five months ago hung himself not three months after he'd been prescribed Adderall and Prozac. Excuse me if I seem a bit vehement in my dislike for pharmaceutical drugs and the mental midget psychiatrists that prescribe them to pre-teenagers.

Since there is no basis to claim that Ms. Soto was ever prescribed this drug and evidence to the contrary, while you have a sad story it is irrelevant to this situation.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

Since there is no basis to claim that Ms. Soto was ever prescribed this drug and evidence to the contrary, while you have a sad story it is irrelevant to this situation.


blah blah blah lawyerspeak irrelevant gibberish...you have no idea what it is to be addicted to a prescription drug, what it does to your rational mind, what it does to your confidence, what it does to those around you. Prescription drug addiction, which is OBVIOUSLY what this defendant has, is most DEFINITELY relevant to this situation. I hope you don't ever have to deal with the kind of BULL**** my family and I have been through with psychs since my cousin's suicide..and I seriously hope their lawyer is a damn sight better than you are at feeling empathy for other human beings. Wasted 12 year old life ended because some f***ing quack felt like it was appropriate to prescribe an addictive drug to a child.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:12 PM

blah blah blah lawyerspeak irrelevant gibberish...you have no idea what it is to be addicted to a prescription drug, what it does to your rational mind, what it does to your confidence, what it does to those around you. Prescription drug addiction, which is OBVIOUSLY what this defendant has, is most DEFINITELY relevant to this situation. I hope you don't ever have to deal with the kind of BULL**** my family and I have been through with psychs since my cousin's suicide..and I seriously hope their lawyer is a damn sight better than you are at feeling empathy for other human beings. Wasted 12 year old life ended because some f***ing quack felt like it was appropriate to prescribe an addictive drug to a child.

Actually I have personal knowledge and experience with seeing what drug addiction can do - both over prescription and illicit drugs.

I also have personal knowledge and experience in seeing what prescription drugs can do to successfully treat mental disorders.

There is nothing obvious that Ms. Soto suffers from addiction to prescription drugs and clear evidence to the contrary.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:20 PM

????

Parents cannot be responsible for teenagers 24/7 when they are indulging in illegal behaviours.

The police affidavit makes it clear that Ms. Soto acquired the non-prescription 26 Xanax bars illegally.


If that teenager was prescribed these drugs before the age of 18 and/or aquired the addiction before the age of 18 then the parents bear some of the responsibity for this.
The judge merely seemed to want to punish her rather than direct her to rehabilitation and help her become a functioning member of society.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:32 PM

If that teenager was prescribed these drugs before the age of 18 and/or aquired the addiction before the age of 18 then the parents bear some of the responsibity for this.
The judge merely seemed to want to punish her rather than direct her to rehabilitation and help her become a functioning member of society.

You are assuming facts not in evidence.

There is nothing to support the inference that Ms. Soto was abusing prescription drugs and all sorts of evidence to the contrary.

It was not the function of the judge on first appearance to deal with the issue of her drug addiction beyond the scope of what he did. Upon her second appearance before him when she purged her contempt she admitted to be under the influence of drugs when she first appeared before him (remember she denied it initially) he set aside her citation for contempt ad wiped it from her record.

The judge dealing with the substantive charges had that jurisdiction and he dealt with it by accepting the plea agreement to place her in a drug rehab program. The first judge had not such jurisdiction.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:05 PM

You are assuming facts not in evidence.

There is nothing to support the inference that Ms. Soto was abusing prescription drugs and all sorts of evidence to the contrary.

It was not the function of the judge on first appearance to deal with the issue of her drug addiction beyond the scope of what he did. Upon her second appearance before him when she purged her contempt she admitted to be under the influence of drugs when she first appeared before him (remember she denied it initially) he set aside her citation for contempt ad wiped it from her record.

The judge dealing with the substantive charges had that jurisdiction and he dealt with it by accepting the plea agreement to place her in a drug rehab program. The first judge had not such jurisdiction.


There is an inherent fiduciary duty , therefore the judge had the duty to ascertain these facts in order to look after the weaker party .
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:18 PM

There is an inherent fiduciary duty , therefore the judge had the duty to ascertain these facts in order to look after the weaker party .

Uhhh, no.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:36 PM

Uhhh, no.


Thank you for posting that you do not believe the judge has a inherent duty to protect the rights of weaker parties.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:39 PM

Thank you for posting that you do not believe the judge has a inherent duty to protect the rights of weaker parties.

You are welcome. Always pleased to educate the uninformed and ignorant.

BTW fiduciary duties are inapplicable to judges and the manner in which you characterized them is factually incorrect.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:44 PM

You are welcome. Always pleased to educate the uninformed and ignorant.

BTW fiduciary duties are inapplicable to judges and the manner in which you characterized them is factually incorrect.


I am disapointed that you feel the need to personaly attack and insult me.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:47 PM

I am disapointed that you feel the need to personaly attack and insult me.

Just pointing out the facts.

You attempted yet again to import a certain legal term and concept to a situation to which it does not apply.

Such reasoning is uninformed and ignorant of the applicable law. Unless you have another explanation.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:48 PM

I am disapointed that you feel the need to personaly attack and insult me.


But that's his MO don't you see Dave? He thinks that everyone who isn't as stuck up the law's backside as he is is uninformed and ignorant. Hasn't that pattern become clear enough by now?

BTW, this is my last post on CDC. With BB having been unjustly banned I don't think I need to stick around anymore either. Catch me on Skype later.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:53 PM

Just pointing out the facts.

You attempted yet again to import a certain legal term and concept to a situation to which it does not apply.

Such reasoning is uninformed and ignorant of the applicable law. Unless you have another explanation.


If you were just pointing out the facts then there was no need for the comment "Always pleased to educate the uninformed and ignorant" , which as we both know was aimed to attack and insult me .

Edited by The Ratiocinator, 10 February 2013 - 04:54 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:56 PM

If you were just pointing out the facts then there was no need for the comment "Always pleased to educate the uninformed and ignorant" , which as we both know was aimed to attack and insult me .

So you are not taking issue with the facts. Good to know.
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