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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:31 AM

Well, send her to clean up garbage or something for a couple of months, not somewhere where she's going to be exploited and ruined over a man in a gown throwing a hissy fit.


The only one throwing a hissy fit was Penelope Soto. And now she has 30 days behind bars to contemplate the error of her ways.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:46 AM

The only one throwing a hissy fit was Penelope Soto. And now she has 30 days behind bars to contemplate the error of her ways.


That's a heavy price to pay, not so much the actual jail but the kind of people she'll be in there with. At one time she night have been okay but not these days, and the judge probably knew full well what's in store for her.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:22 AM

Some folks think they are immune to being held accountable for their actions .. the real world is NOT CDC, nor any other on-line community, where you can act like a punk and get "away with it" .. welcome to reality, Penelope .. :rolleyes:

Yes, that is something that most though not all people learn when they have a modicum of life experience. Actions in the real world have consequences.

Mind you even at CDC actions can have consequences if you insist on breaching the "laws" laid down by the Board Administration and enforced by its judges (the moderating team).

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:24 AM

Well, send her to clean up garbage or something for a couple of months, not somewhere where she's going to be exploited and ruined over a man in a gown throwing a hissy fit.

This is criminal contempt in the face of the court - the standard penalty is time in jail. It is not dealt with as a crime with sentencing principles and in most jurisdictions it cannot be appealed.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:39 AM

Yes... an 18 year old with a record and a 10,000 debt to the court - way to start an adult life. All for saying "Adios" and fingering a prick in a black robe.

The only lesson here is not to talk back to authority. Most valuable lesson in North American society these days.

Was it not a $10,000 bond? Do I not understand bonds correctly where this wouldn't be a debt, per se, if she actually showed up to her hearing later on?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:42 AM

Welcome to the Great American Industrial Prison complex, Penelope .. we have a place and task for everyone who enters .. why, it could even become a "way of life" .. a sad reality ..

Let those who rant on about the "misjustice" rendered now lend their support to comprehensive prison reform ..
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:44 AM

If Florida women's prisons are anything like those in other high crime states, she was basically sentenced to being taken advantage of sexually or having to join a gang for protection and getting in a lot of further trouble.

Consequences of repeated bad behavior. Perhaps she should have kept her mouth shut and her finger-talking to herself?


Clearly this argument is going nowhere very fast. To some, sexual abuse and violence in a jail is suitable punishment for talking back to a judge. To others, it's indicative of a severely broken judicial system focused on punitive punishment rather than rehabilitation.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:45 AM

He just sent a girl to jail for thirty days for not respecting his authority. How can anyone not think he's a complete douchebag?

I think the girl is dumb as hell. She's a complete basket case. But locking someone away in a CAGE because they do not respect your authority makes you a complete douchebag.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:52 AM

This is criminal contempt in the face of the court - the standard penalty is time in jail. It is not dealt with as a crime with sentencing principles and in most jurisdictions it cannot be appealed.


I think everyone understands this thanks to you explaining it every other post, but the issue of contention has been whether it's suitable to do time in jail, and it hasn't changed since the first page. And there's been no argument made for why this punishment fits the crime, beyond "teach her a lesson" and "consequences". Well, talking to an unrelated man in Saudi Arabia has consequences of lashes, the punishment does not fit the crime.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:28 PM

Was it not a $10,000 bond? Do I not understand bonds correctly where this wouldn't be a debt, per se, if she actually showed up to her hearing later on?

In Florida usually a bail bond agency takes a percentage of the face amount of the bail bond (or a guarantor or surety) and posts the bail. As long as the accused complies with terms of release the bail is repaid.

If you recall the Trayvon Martin shooting case bail for George Zimmerman was revoked and IIRC an amount was forfeit prior to a new bail bond being set.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:34 PM

I think everyone understands this thanks to you explaining it every other post, but the issue of contention has been whether it's suitable to do time in jail, and it hasn't changed since the first page. And there's been no argument made for why this punishment fits the crime, beyond "teach her a lesson" and "consequences". Well, talking to an unrelated man in Saudi Arabia has consequences of lashes, the punishment does not fit the crime.

IMHO opinion it is suitable and is a fit punishment. It is the standard in the Anglo-American legal systems where judges are given unlimited discretion in the inherent jurisdiction (i.e. no statutory provisions) to control his/her court.

The whole point and the only point for imposing a term of imprisonment for criminal contempt in the face of the court is to teach a lesson to the contemptor. It is pure retributive justice.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:35 PM

Clearly this argument is going nowhere very fast. To some, sexual abuse and violence in a jail is suitable punishment for talking back to a judge. To others, it's indicative of a severely broken judicial system focused on punitive punishment rather than rehabilitation.

You are assuming that she will be subject to such treatment.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:04 PM

You are assuming that she will be subject to such treatment.


Unless she is a gang member or extremely violent, its basically a given in a system that's long been overrun with gang members and predators.

She might have been alright in a state like Wisconsin, or if had been 30 years ago, but not there and now.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:42 PM

There are two things to take away from this video/case:

1. The American justice system is clearly about punishment rather than rehabilitation. - Not saying she shouldn't have seen that coming, but obviously she's not the sharpest tool in the shed.

2. The American justice system is clearly different if one has money and can hire good legal counsel. If this girl had a lawyer present to talk on her behalf and advice her of what is acceptable or not in a courtroom (Yes, even as plainly obvious as it may be to normal people), she probably gets a suspended sentence.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:43 PM

Unless she is a gang member or extremely violent, its basically a given in a system that's long been overrun with gang members and predators.

She might have been alright in a state like Wisconsin, or if had been 30 years ago, but not there and now.


You know what, you're right. This girl should be sent to a resort to carry out her sentence....that'll learn her!!! Prison is supposed to be awful, and if it's as bad as you say, I'm thinking she will have learned her lesson by the end of the 30 days. If Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan can make it, I'm sure she will too.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:49 PM

When she gets out she might have to turn to hooking or being a dealer to pay the fine.
What is the daily cost of feeding and housing an inmate? Billions and trillions of dollars in debt but lets send a mouthy kid/ young adult to jail.
waste of tax dollars and runs the risk of having a prison hardened career criminal come out. Bad risk/reward potential.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:50 PM

Overkill considering her age. I think some community service might have been more appropriate here.


strongly disagree. these spoiled good for nothing teenagers don't know anything. They've been having it their way with no one stopping them. If she was in Indonesia or China, she would face a firing squad. Consider herself lucky.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

You know what, you're right. This girl should be sent to a resort to carry out her sentence....that'll learn her!!! Prison is supposed to be awful, and if it's as bad as you say, I'm thinking she will have learned her lesson by the end of the 30 days. If Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan can make it, I'm sure she will too.

Yes, letting her walk away with her $5,000 bail is sending her to a resort.. hyperbole r us.

It's pretty humorous that her punishment is justified, really? Why isn't the judge contempt of court since he wanted to be part of the problem?

If he doesn't dismiss her like a douche, she likely doesn't respond with a harmless "adios". If he lets it go as any mature person would do, she walks away with a $5,000 bail to pay, because that was indeed nothing remotely close to contempt of court. Judge can't forego his ego, brings her back, doubles her bail to be an even bigger douche, because of his issue with her completely unrelated to what she was charged for, followed by mocking her, and escalating a conflict he winds up sending her to jail over.

Judge had no reason to do what he did, and by the time she flipped him the bird he already played his part in baiting and antagonising her into doing it.

Send him back to law school since he evidently missed the part about decorum in a court room, though he conveniently remembered what contempt of court is when it suited his agenda.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:03 PM

Yes, letting her walk away with her $5,000 bail is sending her to a resort.. hyperbole r us.


Something you would never use. :rolleyes:
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:08 PM

Something you would never use. :rolleyes:

It's a CDC epidemic. :lol:
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:13 PM

It's a CDC epidemic. :lol:


Any grammatical errors you'd like to point out too??
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:21 PM

When she gets out she might have to turn to hooking or being a dealer to pay the fine.
What is the daily cost of feeding and housing an inmate? Billions and trillions of dollars in debt but lets send a mouthy kid/ young adult to jail.
waste of tax dollars and runs the risk of having a prison hardened career criminal come out. Bad risk/reward potential.

What fine? She has yet to be tried on her drug possession charges. This is punishment for criminal contempt in the face of the court.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:22 PM

Any grammatical errors you'd like to point out too??

I don't pedant over things like that, sounds like you're mad because your post content was criticised for being highly irrational.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:24 PM

There are two things to take away from this video/case:

1. The American justice system is clearly about punishment rather than rehabilitation. - Not saying she shouldn't have seen that coming, but obviously she's not the sharpest tool in the shed.

2. The American justice system is clearly different if one has money and can hire good legal counsel. If this girl had a lawyer present to talk on her behalf and advice her of what is acceptable or not in a courtroom (Yes, even as plainly obvious as it may be to normal people), she probably gets a suspended sentence.

1. Since this has nothing to do with the usual criminal sentencing principles as it is punishment for criminal contempt in the face of the court, rehabilitation and other sentencing principles do not come into play.

2. Like most first appearances a public defender was there but there is no real cure for stupid.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

When she gets out she might have to turn to hooking or being a dealer to pay the fine.
What is the daily cost of feeding and housing an inmate? Billions and trillions of dollars in debt but lets send a mouthy kid/ young adult to jail.
waste of tax dollars and runs the risk of having a prison hardened career criminal come out. Bad risk/reward potential.


What fine?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:27 PM

I don't pedant over things like that, sounds like you're mad because your post content was criticised for being highly irrational.


I'm not mad..I thought my use of hyperbole was fairly obvious but since you so aptly pointed it out, thought I'd ask if there was anything else you could help the readers with. ;)
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:33 PM

Yes, letting her walk away with her $5,000 bail is sending her to a resort.. hyperbole r us.

It's pretty humorous that her punishment is justified, really? Why isn't the judge contempt of court since he wanted to be part of the problem?

If he doesn't dismiss her like a douche, she likely doesn't respond with a harmless "adios". If he lets it go as any mature person would do, she walks away with a $5,000 bail to pay, because that was indeed nothing remotely close to contempt of court. Judge can't forego his ego, brings her back, doubles her bail to be an even bigger douche, because of his issue with her completely unrelated to what she was charged for, followed by mocking her, and escalating a conflict he winds up sending her to jail over.

Judge had no reason to do what he did, and by the time she flipped him the bird he already played his part in baiting and antagonising her into doing it.

Send him back to law school since he evidently missed the part about decorum in a court room, though he conveniently remembered what contempt of court is when it suited his agenda.


Ahh yes, the standard, tired and old 'hyperbole' response/accusation....typical and most predictable. Yet you use hyperbole quite freely when it suits your post content....funny thing, that. Pots......kettles......and all that.

Again, as you appear to STILL be reading comprehension challenged as per usual, just what was the judge doing wrong, dismissive if you will, prior to this paragon of virtue's rude and insulting utterance of 'Adios'? Pray do tell. You've accused this judge of many things yet there is not one iota of proof of him being anything less than professional in his courtroom conduct. The same cannot be said about Penelope Soto.

You really do need to read the article. You've missed a great deal of content which had you bothered to read with some measure of comprehension, would make your posts on the subject seem a whole lot less silly and foolish. Your continued obtuseness and obstreperous comments do not serve you well.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

I'm not mad..I thought my use of hyperbole was fairly obvious but since you so aptly pointed it out, thought I'd ask if there was anything else you could help the readers with. ;)


It's too bad you don't address the rest of Zaibatsu's post. It was much longer than "hyperbole r us" you know.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

It's too bad you don't address the rest of Zaibatsu's post. It was much longer than "hyperbole r us" you know.

Like the vast majority of Zaibatsu's posts, there was nothing of substance to be addressed.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

It's too bad you don't address the rest of Zaibatsu's post. It was much longer than "hyperbole r us" you know.


But that's the ever-so-typical part.....everything after is just fluff to cover getting the hyperbole comment in.

Substance?? There was no substance to address prior to the edit.

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