Primus099 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 How quickly we forget. We can beat the dead horse and say that the Nucks lost the SCF because Thomas was lights out and our fwd's were so injured they couldn't score a goal, but what excuse can be used when the Nucks scored 4-5 goals and still lost the game? Lu has a history of playing well in the reg season and choking in the playoff's. Why is this year going to be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Shortcomongs and tendencies are not one and the same. Lou is working more on a hybrid style, meaning , not dropping into the butterfly. The penalty shot the other night was a prime example. The shooter expected Lou to drop but he didn't. The save he made looked easy because he fooled the shooter. Book on Lou is that he goes down. Comentators were surprised by the fact that he stayed up. The different look confused the shooter. Had he gone down, shooter probably would have scored...over the leg and under the blocker. Teams shoot on Lou from every angle because he can be slow getting set and his 5 hole is still an issue. To say that all goalies can have a bad game is a given but the key is to make the scorers beat you..and not beat yourself. Schneider got beat last night by a slapper from position "A"....he did not beat himself...he was there...it was just a great shot. Goals are not always counted against by numbers but how they are scored and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Maybe Luongo can be the John Elway of the NHL. Widely considered a choker after getting blown out ( and i mean seriously blown out, like 55-10 blown out ) of 3 superbowls. he went on to win back to back rings. After that, legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 This thread is pathetic. Here's the bottom line - No other single position is more important in the game than goal tending. Players crash the net during the playoffs - one injury to the number one goalie can sink a team like a lead balloon. We've seen strong goaltending tandums take their teams far in the past: Andy Moog & Grant Fuhr Hasek & Belfour John Vanbiesbrouck & Mike Richter Tim Thomas & Tuukka Rask Yes we're paying $9M for two goalies, but we can get away with it this year. It's a short season. We have a team that has the potential to go all the way right now. We'd be foolish to tinker with the most important position until the offseason. We should keep both Luongo and Schneider. Enough perpetuating media myths and folklore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 This thread is pathetic. Here's the bottom line - No other single position is more important in the game than goal tending. Players crash the net during the playoffs - one injury to the number one goalie can sink a team like a lead balloon. We've seen strong goaltending tandums take their teams far in the past: Andy Moog & Grant Fuhr Hasek & Belfour John Vanbiesbrouck & Mike Richter Tim Thomas & Tuukka Rask Yes we're paying $9M for two goalies, but we can get away with it this year. It's a short season. We have a team that has the potential to go all the way right now. We'd be foolish to tinker with the most important position until the offseason. We should keep both Luongo and Schneider. Enough perpetuating media myths and folklore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptCanuck16 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 when other than in 2 out of those 3 examples you posted has that ever happened in the playoffs with Luongo? sure as hell didn't happen in the finals, if you get shutout 5-0 then it's not on the goalie, if you lose 7-5 then yes the goalie blew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugli Fruit Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Shortcomongs and tendencies are not one and the same. Lou is working more on a hybrid style, meaning , not dropping into the butterfly. The penalty shot the other night was a prime example. The shooter expected Lou to drop but he didn't. The save he made looked easy because he fooled the shooter. Book on Lou is that he goes down. Comentators were surprised by the fact that he stayed up. The different look confused the shooter. Had he gone down, shooter probably would have scored...over the leg and under the blocker. Teams shoot on Lou from every angle because he can be slow getting set and his 5 hole is still an issue. To say that all goalies can have a bad game is a given but the key is to make the scorers beat you..and not beat yourself. Schneider got beat last night by a slapper from position "A"....he did not beat himself...he was there...it was just a great shot. Goals are not always counted against by numbers but how they are scored and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papayas Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 This. This is nothing new or relevatory - Luongo has played well every regular season. However, when it's mattered most, he's had a full blown meltdown at the end of every year since 2006-07. 2007-08 - Last 6 games: 4.59 GAA, 0.837 Sv% 2008-09 - Last 6 games: 3.31 GAA, 0.879 Sv% 2009-10 - Last 6 games: 3.52 GAA, 0.897 Sv% 2010-11 - Last 6 games: 4.12 GAA, 0.864 Sv% He can singlehandedly win you a playoff game or even a series. However, he breaks every year, and he falls apart, and singlehandedly loses you multiple games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 This thread is pathetic. Here's the bottom line - No other single position is more important in the game than goal tending. Players crash the net during the playoffs - one injury to the number one goalie can sink a team like a lead balloon. We've seen strong goaltending tandums take their teams far in the past: Andy Moog & Grant Fuhr Hasek & Belfour John Vanbiesbrouck & Mike Richter Tim Thomas & Tuukka Rask Yes we're paying $9M for two goalies, but we can get away with it this year. It's a short season. We have a team that has the potential to go all the way right now. We'd be foolish to tinker with the most important position until the offseason. We should keep both Luongo and Schneider. Enough perpetuating media myths and folklore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 I didn't even read this, just curious who's playing in net today against Calgary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 The third example is Lu letting in 4 goals in the first period. I would consider that as the goalie 'blowing it' for his team as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Guys this is really simple. I didn't say he wasn't great I said he didn't Have to be great against the canucks. Two entirely different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 He should be able to get us into the playoffs especially when Kesler/Booth get back in the lineup. "Should". "When". A couple of things - and don't get me wrong, I'm ok with however this turns out and feel we're lucky to have this "problem". Just because a goaltender has struggled in the playoffs doesn't mean he always will. There have been some great goaltenders who have had less than great performances, but we demand perfection? And you've allowed Schneids the luxury of counting on key players to be back in the line up to contribute, but what about Lu? You are aware that some of our past struggles can be attributed to missing or having injured players out there? And those out there also were struggling (meaning Lu couldn't rely on them to do their jobs....it's the I in team thing for me). Injury. Bad officiating. These things aren't permanent , but Lu's had to battle through them...what if, in putting this stuff behind him, he's slated for his best playoffs ever? He certainly has the capacity to be great...we've seen it. Did you consider that we may not have been IN the playoffs if it wasn't for Lu (which, I understand, this thread considers)? So how about the other guys on the ice?....why does Lu wear the playoff wins/losses alone yet we disregard what led up to them? If Lu is the playoff goat then, at the very least, you have to remember that he was the regular season hero and, without that, there are no playoffs? Goaltenders can't be "on" all the time and it's all about timing in the playoffs. I'd hate to imagine Lu's playoff redemption coming while playing on a different team. I also factor experience into overcoming obstacles. Learning from our mistakes. Familiarity that allows for more confidence and stability. Again, I'm ok either way but don't like the comparisons. We have two great goaltenders at the moment and until we get a good return for one, bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Most saves ever in a final. A great stat. Vs the Canucks. Great stat + vs the Canucks = great against the Canucks. Pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 errr, dude, after losing 8-1, 4-0, 5-2 and 4-0 in the final, and the team still managed to get to game 7?? and there, you are questioning the goalie's ability to perform in playoff, and those scores has nothing to do with how fack up our injuries were or how bad the reffing was? have you ever wonder how the hell could the team get to game 7 with those kind of score? And somehow, somewhere on earth, there is a person, or multiple guy, think getting to game 7 with this kind of score has nothing to do with the ability of our goalie keeping the team in game for the last minute with his last breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papayas Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Getting to game 7 is not winning the cup sir ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptCanuck16 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 the 4th one was at the beginning of the 2nd, we put Schneider in after that to wake them up but it didn't matter they scored again 3 minutes later. THey were still shell shocked from game 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 how many times are you Luongo trolls going to use this small cross section of stats as your only argument lol Schneider had a GAA of 3.13 and a save % of .897 after 4 games this year, that small an amount of games is pretty meaningless. Just like Lu with his current GAA of 1.53 and save % of .940, I doubt they would stay that good over the course of a full season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papayas Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 4 bad games at the beginning of a season are pretty meaningless. 4 bad games at the end of a season are a different thing entirely. It hasn't just been once, or twice, or three times - Luongo has had a meltdown every year since 2006-07. It's been a consistent pattern. Denying it is plain ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 You won't even get to game 7 with this kind of scoring without our goalie stole 3 games for us. And here you are making it sound like its the goalie that costed us the cup. Ya sure, firing the goalie who was the main reason why we had a game 7 will sure bring us a cup home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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