Boudrias Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Manny is a team guy, a great leader I've heard and great in the faceoff circle. Outside of that, he hasn't been able to put together a solid enough effort to be worth the 2.5M he is being paid. No need to trade him tho, for he will be UFA in the offseason and if he resigns for something lower, in the 1-1.5M range, it'll be worth it. That is if he can maintain this status in the circle and elevates his offensive game just a little more. Perfect 4th lone guy though. He isn't taking anyone else's position on the ice or any ice time away from prospects, rookies, sophomores, stars or veterans. Lapierre is a better fit on the 3rd line, so he probably won't mind Manny either. Certainly not taking anything away from Schroeder, more like giving and helping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 From what I've heard, the term "buyout" can basically be thrown out the windor as long as the Aquilini's are our owners. Regarding Manny, for those blaming the eye injury for his decline, the reality is that he's been a career journeyman. I hated the signing when it happened. He did play a little bit better for us in his first year than I expected, but from day one the contract was clearly too rich for a guy who couldn't even find a job in the NHL the year prior. I also find it quite humourous that some people within this thread in support of Manny are the same people that have called Phil Kessel a "one-trick pony". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Given that Manny has about 40 games left on his current contract there is no reason why he needs to go now. He provides good defensive depth, leadership and other intangibles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono2009 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I just love reading these posts from idiot people who like to create them. Of course his play has changed since the eye injury. So I can understand people view him as overpaid. He has so much heart and soul with the team. He provides huge leadership. He can still kill penalties, and win the draws. I agree with Sydney Fife, extend him longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 It's the last year of his $2.5 mil a year contract and MG is not getting rid of him before that is over so you that point is not a point at all. I don't know how loyal MG is going to be on this one and I don't know what Malhotra's plans are for next year. He'll be 33 in May so he might want to play another couple years. One option I could see is that if Gillis plans to carry 13 forwards, which he should, that maybe the 13th would be Manny ... instead of Ebbett or someone similar. His vision could also improve in the offseason as I believe he is actually playing better now than he did last year. I think he needs to start trusting his insticts more again and he could regain some form. Either way he would not be re-signed for anywhere near the amount of money. The other option is a two-way contract but I don't know if he would be willing to play in the minors at this point in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 When we are up a goal late in the third period and its a defensive zone draw...I look no further down the bench but for Manny. He hands down is the one guy you go too to secure that lead late in the third. Down the road in the playoffs, manny is a key player to not only win draws but his experience will help mentor and calm the team down. He surely isn't the dynamic third line center we all seen before but he still has game. His leadership and classy approach to the game is something all the Canucks need to embrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I be happier with Ryan Johnson instead he was cheaper a face off guy and pk specialist. In reality a big hard hitting fourth line center that would crash and bang would be even better and would help defend Canuck players. A line that put fear into players, put their heads on swivels and old fashion energy line that doesn't get much ice anyways. If you had a line like that perhaps Canuck players would not get injured so much. Why the Canucks always need these pk specialist is just AV. Perhaps thats what holds them back. Sedins want to play the PK again but AV says no cause he needs places for these defencive specialist whom disappear in the playoffs and the Canucks are lit up. Oh yeah I forgot AV is a defensive coach and is always exposed for his weakness in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 The Canucks are 20th in the league in faceoff percentage. They let go of Manny, and that number drops dramatically. Manny is a leader, can play the PK and can take the important draws in the team. Even though his offensive game has dropped, he's still an integral part of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Bang Boogie Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 The only thing I don't like about Manny is his contract. Granted, he was earning it before the injury. $2.5M is just way too much for a faceoff specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Doctor Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Unfortunatly it's true. Not the same player after the eye injury. Used to be the best third line center in the league with Hansen and Torres making an amazing shut down line. For now, he is useful on the fourth line. He will not be resigned next year. The team can not afford to use any space on him. The positive side, while he is here, he can teach our younger players a thing or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 he's looked good this season playing the role he's put out there to play, no problem with manny. besides his contract is up at the end of this season and i don't know if you noticed but the team is short handed down the middle.not to mention the two games he missed we got destroyed in the face off circle. even when kes comes back the team has very little depth at center. the d-men have been the most inconsistent and the biggest liability so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burlinbert Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 KEEP MANNY 66.7% on faceoffs Shot Blockin ----manny used to be the man getting down and blocking shots he cant do it no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicNuckleHead09 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 OP GTFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I trust the coach. If he thinks Manny is part of the team, I'm more than happy to see him there. I still remember the reception he got when he re-appeared in the playoffs. The guy is pure class, head to toe. I recall his hospital appearances and how he interacted with staff and patients young and old. He has a charisma. Like the poster above I would love to see him as part of the organisation after his playing days are over. I am one however who thinks and hopes, that is still a few seasons away as I still recall that cracking goal he scored last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Well this is his last kick at the can, so to speak. No team would take him the way he is playing now - he wins faceoffs but isn't physical anymore, which is what you need from 4th line. Selke candidate hero to zero. Remember last year he was ONLY out for the faceoffs, and then back to the bench? Anyways, the world has changed for him - He never will be the same player, never can be. So much of his game relied on instinct and grit... and his instincts are not aggressive anymore and he is not gritty anymore... We are left with the player before he re-invented himself with the canucks, when he realized he had to give 100% all the time, that he could be a world-class shut-down guy. It's called playing with reckless abandon. That is what is required by someone like Manny to succeed. If he can ever do that again, he could become a good shut-down player... but it's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai604 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 While his cap hit is indicative of the player he once was, and is evidently too much for what he is post-injury, he still retains a valuable role on this team. He is one of the, and if I'm not mistaken, currently is the best faceoff man in the league. For those of you arguing his worth, detriment to cap notwithstanding, consider this: it's a Game 7 in the Stanley Cup Playoffs. We need to kill off a late 5-on-3 penalty to preserve a one goal lead, or even a tie, in the dying minutes of the 3rd. The faceoff is in our own end. In this case, it is absolutely crucial that we win this faceoff, as it could very well lead to elimination if we do not. Having any of our other centers take the draw is taking a chance. But a faceoff specialist like Malhotra can come in and provide us with a much higher chance of winning the draw and subsequently clearing the puck, killing off precious seconds at a critical moment in the game. After the clear, he hustles back to the bench, allowing a better defensive center to take the ice. It honestly hurts me to say 'better defensive center', as Manny was once a Selke candidate third line shutdown center and a major contributor to the success of what was likely the best team so far in Canucks history. But the hockey gods wouldn't allow that success to continue for the Canucks, and a freak accident led to Manny becoming a shell of his former self. Anyways, while the Game 7 late game 5-on-3 may be a more rare occurrence, Manny can still function in a faceoff specialist capacity the way Patrice Bergeron did for Team Canada in 2010. He most definitely does hold value on this squad, though not as much as his contract would suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vwnuck Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Didn't see an official thread or anything like that and it seemed like a popular enough idea such that its own thread should be created. I hope this offers an opportunity for a wide discussion. We need to keep an objective view and see the facts as they are: 1. Great player until awful eye injury. His decline in his play is obvious as he constantly fumbles pucks and is a virtual anchor with every line he ever plays with now. He was worth well over 2.5 before the eye injury, hes probably worth about five hundred thousand now, that figure being very generous. 2. 7 GP no goals no assists -2 plus.minus and a grand total of 1 shot. That tells the story. 3. He is a great leader, but the team as a whole is a lot maturer now and don't need a vet like Manny to keep them going anymore. They've grown accustomed to playing without him. Gillis should've bought this guy out the second the new CBA was signed. Maybe even dangle him for a 7th round pick.... I understand this guy is a great team guy and all that yada yada yada, but his time has passed and he needs to let a young kid like schroeder get a full time center position on the 4th line once kesler comes back. Manny is costing this team and his cons definitely outweigh the pros. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
key2thecup Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Doesn't he have a NTC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edlerberry Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I remember when Malhotra centered Nash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure fan Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Please please bring back the minus button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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