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#1 Blömqvist

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:57 AM

To Vancouver
Alex Ovechkin
Karl Alzner

To Washington
Cory Schneider
Ryan Kesler
Keith Ballard
some draft pick to even things out

Daniel ~ Henrik ~ Kassian
Booth ~ Schroeder ~ Ovechkin
Higgins ~ Burrows ~ Hansen
Raymond ~ Malhotra ~ Lapierre

Hamhuis ~ Edler
Garrison ~ Bieksa
Alzner ~ Tanev

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Why Schneider and not Luongo?
Cory Schneider obviously holds more value trade-wise than Roberto Luongo. For one, Schneider isn't signed for an eternity and is a lot younger than Luongo. Secondly, Luongo has proved that he is a better goaltender than Schneider; Schneider does not seem poised enough to take over the starting goaltender position and play 70 games/season. Furthermore, within our organization we have two excellent young goalie prospects in Eddie Lack and Joe Cannata. There have already been numerous reports from scouts and media outlets that Lack and Cannata are very good and have very promising futures. Once Luongo retires, Lack or Cannata should be more than ready to take over the reigns as starting goaltender.

Why give up Ryan Kesler? Who will be our second line centre?
For one, if the Capitals were to trade away Ovechkin they would definitely need some form of a goal-scoring replacement coming back. Kesler could be put on the wing to allow his offensive side to flourish. He is a natural shooter and with a guy like Backstrom feeding him the puck Kesler could easily pot in 30+ goals per season.

Kesler, often referred to as the "heart and soul" of this team, has a few question marks surrounding him. He is getting more and more injuries. With his style of play, how much longer will his body last? He's already getting injury prone as it is. Will his shot be the same after his shoulder and hip injuries (rotation of the hip during a shot transfers the momentum from your legs to your shoulders and then to the stick and puck)? Will he return to the 40 goal mark?

Jordan Schroeder can slot in as Kesler's replacement down the middle on the second line. He's already in that position and is doing pretty good; He is improving each and every game. Schroeder has made some very nice passes to Raymond and Weise, but unfortunately Raymond and Weise can't finish. If Schroeder played with better players (like Ovechkin) he would without a doubt rack up them points.

Keith Ballard and Chris Tanev make an excellent bottom pairing.
Yes, Ballard and Tanev are an excellent bottom pairing. There is no doubt about that. Financially speaking, we would need to unload Ballard's contract anyway next season to accommodate other role players as the cap will go down. Also, unloading Ballard, who is still a valuable player in need of a mobile puck-moving top 4 defenseman, to Washington should allow us to receive a solid defensive defenseman in return in Alzner.

Alzner, the former 5th overall pick in 2007, is relatively young, big, and projects to be a top pairing shutdown defenseman. He is a local kid from Burnaby and would flourish playing in a defensive system and learn off of other local guys like Hamhuis and Garrison.

Why would Washington give up the face of their franchise?
The Washington Capitals are in a decline. They let go of the highly skilled Alex Semin. Mike Green, Alex Oveckin, and Nicklas Backstrom (to a bit of a lesser extent) are not the massive point-getters as they used to be. As such, their regular season success has been on the decline as well. In 2009-2010 the Capitals finished the season with 121 points. The following year they had 107 points. The year after that (last year) they had 92 points and finished 7th in the East. Currently, the Capitals occupy the last spot in the East with 5 points in 10 games (that's a 25% point percentage). The days of top-3 Eastern conference finishes seem distant; Have the once offensive juggernauts run out of steam?

Financially speaking, although the Capitals had $106M in revenues last year they ended up losing $1.0M after paying off their operating costs. If the Capitals continue to struggle they will surely remain in the red. And if the Capitals continue to lose money, Ovechkin's large $124M contract ($80M+ still owed to him) will indeed be a very large sum to pay.

Reference: http://www.forbes.co...ngton-capitals/

From a hockey standpoint, having a slumping player is never a good thing. Especially if that slumping player is your best player. The Capitals don't have very much depth in defence and lack a true starting goaltender. It may be in the best interests of the team to unload one player to improve in multiple aspects. Currently, Washington has the 25th ranked Goals for/game at 2.30 and has the 27th ranked Goals against/game at 3.70. Kesler can help replace the scoring (although Ovechkin hasn't been doing much of that lately); Schneider can improve their goalie situation and overall team defence; Ballard can bring experience and another puck moving presence to help with the Capitals on the rush offence.

Trading Ovechkin can re-stabilize the Capitals organization -- both on and off the ice.

Why should Vancouver trade for Alexander Ovechkin?
The Cup, and all it's glory. Our window is closing -- even moreso with next year's cap situation. We have a chance to win now. The Sedins are still top 10 players in this league. Over the years we have amassed offensive and defensive depth. We have good players on entry level contracts, as well as good players on cheap contracts.

Adding Ovechkin to the team will give us two #1 lines -- two legitimate and deadly scoring options instead of just relying on the Sedins night in and night out. Ovechkin is a dynamic scorer. Multi-faceted, he can beat you with his shot, his size and strength, his speed, and his hands. As an opposing coach, who do you put your best defensive players out for? The Sedins or Ovechkin? And there's that speedy two-way third line of Higgins, Burrows, and Hansen too!

Trading our excess assets will dramatically improve our offence (something that we always seem to lack in the playoffs) while at the same time maintaining our defensive depth.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:59 AM

KESLER NTC
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:08 AM

If we get Alzner he definitely won't be on the 3rd pair.

I'm going to say no. Waste of value and Kesler is more important to us than Ovie IMO and we don't have anyone to replace him right now.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:54 AM

Damn. Forgot that Kesler had a NTC. Back to the drawing board that is NHL 13.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:54 AM

Could Ovechkin be pried out of Washington though??
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:32 AM

At least you thought out your proposal (minus Kesler's NTC). I give you credit for that.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:47 AM

Damn. Forgot that Kesler had a NTC. Back to the drawing board that is NHL 13.


Hahahah oh NHL 13. I just traded Jarred Boll and a 3rd rounder to Calgary for Iginla
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But back to your trade. I wouldn't do it, because like someone said, Kesler is very valuable to us right now, and also why would why have Ovi on the 2nd line?

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:25 AM

(Pretending Kesler doesn't have a NTC) It's an interesting deal you mention. I really don't see the point of having Ovechkin and Booth on the second line. They are both driving to the net left wingers. We would need a center replacement, you can exactly put the face of the league with a rookie centerman.

However it's interesting enough that I would consider it. Kesler is starting to become used goods, as a guy with many serious injuries. Ovechkin could use a change of scenery.

I would find a way to add Booth to the deal and get more in return. Then we would need to trade for a centerman (Hodgson anyone :bigblush: )
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:00 PM

I also agree that I am not that interested in Ovi, although value wise this is pretty close. Thanks for thinking out your proposal. Also I dont understand why we wouldnt put a world class sniper with 2 world class playmakers. That line would light everyone up
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:20 PM

(Pretending Kesler doesn't have a NTC) It's an interesting deal you mention. I really don't see the point of having Ovechkin and Booth on the second line. They are both driving to the net left wingers. We would need a center replacement, you can exactly put the face of the league with a rookie centerman.

However it's interesting enough that I would consider it. Kesler is starting to become used goods, as a guy with many serious injuries. Ovechkin could use a change of scenery.

I would find a way to add Booth to the deal and get more in return. Then we would need to trade for a centerman (Hodgson anyone :bigblush: )

Imagine the goals scored against us with Ovie and Cody we score 4 they score 6 :bigblush:
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:36 PM

Wow. Am I ever surprised I didn't get ripped into after proposing a Schneider/Kesler package for Ovechkin!

I agree that Ovechkin with the Twins would make more sense as that would light up teams about as much as a pack-a-day smoker lights up cigarettes. But, if we were to do that then our second line would be decent, not good. Having Ovechkin on there would help to balance the scoring, but I understand everyone's opinion on putting one of the greatest snipers in the game with two of the greatest playmakers in the game (at the moment).

@laxgoalie: Da fuq!?!?I must figure out a way to Iginla for Weise haha
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:44 PM

Can't believe people are saying kes is more valuable than ovi. Sorry but no way caps would ever trade ovi for that

Maybe add holtby on their end

And add 1st rounder, booth, and maybe more picks?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:12 PM

It's all about relativity, apollo. Kesler is valuable to us because he brings so many things to the table. Not only can he score goals (albeit not nearly as much as Ovechkin) but he can win face-offs, shut down premier offensive players, and be a big pest. Kesler is essential to our team game, to our success, so naturally we would say he is more valuable to us than Ovechkin would be to us.
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