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#31 Sedinry

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:45 PM

Is anyone but you taking that side in the argument? This team is not close to the team of two years ago.

This team is as good as it was 2 years ago if not better on paper. The players just have to live up to it and they will in time.


The " window" is closing.
Sedins are older and appear to be slowing down, at least so far.
Kesler is getting older and perhaps more brittle.
Raymond is proving to not be a top tier, top 6 forward.
An arguement could be made that Booth is not a top tier guy either.
Malhotra's devestating eye injury has turned him from solid 2 way 3rd line penalty killing center that was great on face-offs into a win the face- off and get off the ice specialist.
Lappierre(sp) seems to be sliding back towards the bad penalty at bad times player.
The power play breakout seems to be well known throughout the league and is thus less effective.
Higgins is off to a slow start.

That is most of the bad news.
Good news is:

Kassian has looked good, even though it is early.
Depth in goal and possible trade of a goalie can fill holes
The team is more experienced
defensive depth is better than in the past, with Tanev and Garrisson.

This is a key year and if the team fails in the play offs in may well be time to reload.

No. It's the start of the season.
I'm just trying to observe two sides of the coin. If you guys read my post you'll clearly note I'm saying its time to trade Cory and win a damn cup.

Not Calgary... They're going to win now, AND in the future. :frantic:

This is what I don't want!!
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#32 MJDDawg

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:57 PM

Thought I'd see what others think of our organization as a whole.

We are currently at a crossroads with the core decision being our goaltending.
However the way I see it is we have 2 choices.

First of all, we have decide if this team wants to fully rebuild and go on a fire sale and start over or contend for the cup. This seems like an easy question but the heart of it belongs to our goaltending.

Cory Schneider's early "lapse" simply states that he's got things to learn, and of course he does, he's a new goalie to a market where Goalies get scrutinized more than a criminal.

But the fact remains, Luongo has gotten immense experience and in the past 2 years since the SCF has done alot of growing up. He is mentally tougher and the way he handles Media is 10-fold from before.

Cory Schneider has yet to come into these "hardships" and face the hardships of being a #1 goalie.

This will take time, and will take time to get to a cup. We're not a team who is easy on a goalie and would love for Schneids to be Cam Ward and usurp the #1 position. Instead we would scrutinize him the whole way through.


Which leads to the fact that if the Canucks want to contend for the Cup and they will be able to do so for the next 4-5 years, they can get assets to help them by trading Schneider. If they feel that they want to rebuild, then trading Luongo now is the right choice, along with the Sedin's and our other star players for high draft picks.

I believe this is the reality of our situation and the correct choice belongs to which Goalie gets traded for what picks. At this point Schneider would give us a higher return but I think we all know that Lu is an elite goalie that can win this team the Cup and if we want to contend, it's better off that we keep him, other wise Gillis should trade Lu and start to shop our main players to keep our team successful in the years to come rather than have a drop off as we did in the late 90's.


I actually think you have it backwards here.

I think the beauty of it is that they can both rebuild AND contend for the next 3 or 4 years if they can get some stud prospects back in a trade. Where I think you have it backwards is that they can likely get higher quality prospects and picks if they trade Schneider instead instead of Lui. In the meantime, Lui still has another 3 or 4 really good years left in him...enough to give our core stars time to win a cup, while bringing along the next generation of prospects like Kassian, Jensen, Gaunce and whoever they get back in a trade for Schneider -- think Nick Bjugstad type players.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:34 PM

I'm still not convinced about our forwards even with Kesler and Booth in the lineup. Either of the goaltenders is great and our defense is coming around, but scoring in the playoffs is still going to be a problem with this group unless we get really lucky. A move to address that is in order, but may not be available yet.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:31 PM

Not Calgary... They're going to win now, AND in the future. :frantic:


King of BS izzat u?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:39 PM

Thought I'd see what others think of our organization as a whole.

We are currently at a crossroads with the core decision being our goaltending.
However the way I see it is we have 2 choices.

First of all, we have decide if this team wants to fully rebuild and go on a fire sale and start over or contend for the cup. This seems like an easy question but the heart of it belongs to our goaltending.

Cory Schneider's early "lapse" simply states that he's got things to learn, and of course he does, he's a new goalie to a market where Goalies get scrutinized more than a criminal.

But the fact remains, Luongo has gotten immense experience and in the past 2 years since the SCF has done alot of growing up. He is mentally tougher and the way he handles Media is 10-fold from before.

Cory Schneider has yet to come into these "hardships" and face the hardships of being a #1 goalie.

This will take time, and will take time to get to a cup. We're not a team who is easy on a goalie and would love for Schneids to be Cam Ward and usurp the #1 position. Instead we would scrutinize him the whole way through.


Which leads to the fact that if the Canucks want to contend for the Cup and they will be able to do so for the next 4-5 years, they can get assets to help them by trading Schneider. If they feel that they want to rebuild, then trading Luongo now is the right choice, along with the Sedin's and our other star players for high draft picks.

I believe this is the reality of our situation and the correct choice belongs to which Goalie gets traded for what picks. At this point Schneider would give us a higher return but I think we all know that Lu is an elite goalie that can win this team the Cup and if we want to contend, it's better off that we keep him, other wise Gillis should trade Lu and start to shop our main players to keep our team successful in the years to come rather than have a drop off as we did in the late 90's.


We're not at a crossroads. We are trying to contend now, but Gillis is also trying to create a team that has a chance to compete in the future as well. If we were all-in, Gillis would dump every draft pick he has to pick up big-name players. Instead he has worked to pick up players that fit in now and for the future (Kassian is a prime example).

Schneider is the guy today and tomorrow. Luongo will be traded. It's not a question of rebuilding vs. contending. It's a question of who is the better goalie and management has decided Schneider is the guy.
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What is the deal with Mike Gillis, it always seems like he's sweating...

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:18 AM

I'd prefer a yard sale to a fire sale.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:25 AM

Alot of your post is based on the goalie suituation...and if AV isn't sweating it than you shouldn't either...tell ya what flip a coin on it lol
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