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Do you think the Canucks need to make a trade for this season?

  1. yes (79 votes [68.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 68.10%

  2. no (37 votes [31.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.90%

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#31 Bananas

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:57 PM

Don't know until Booth and Kesler are back. Gotta see where they're at. If Kassian can keep producing, a top 6 of Sedins, Kass, Burr, Booth, Kes is pretty solid. Perhaps some minor deals to fully solidify the 3rd line are in order, but I don't know if we could viably pull of the deals we would want.

It really shows in recent play-off runs that secondary scoring is a huge factor. And I don't count the second line as secondary scoring. Secondary scoring is 3rd, hopefully a bit of 4th lines, and some from the D.

A 3rd line of Higgins - Schroeder - Hansen would be pretty good, but I'd like one more winger who fits the bill as a second liner on a lesser team. Someone gritty, who can put up points. Unless Lapierre can pick up where he was last season, because he was doing pretty good, and has gone nowhere this season.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:07 AM

Wait and see how all the dominos fall as injured players begin to return to the lineup. Im sure we will be at least be adding depth come the trade deadline.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:14 AM

But again... I REALLY want to see a true #1 defenseman come our way. This issue has still not been solved. Neither Edler, nor Garrison are the answer.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:21 AM

I still think we need an offensive catalyst
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:10 AM

The way I see it....

1st line) We know what we have with the Sedins / Burr line - could improve but we have the Kass option now

2nd line) A lot of posts regarding the 2nd line with Booth & Kes...needing them to play with a gifted passer. I think that Kass might fit the bill...

3rd line) I like having Schroeds here but we need a little more size and hitting in this department. This is one area that needs to be addressed... either bring in a winger or involve Schroeds in a trade for a big C

4th line) I think were ok in this department with guys like Pini coming back and the wolf boys...

Top 4 D) I love the guys now, but if a solid top 2D comes along than we trade for him....preferably someone with size and snarl ;)

Overall, I think we need that big C or wing that can play in the top 6 when needed... Or a top 2 Dman (this won't happen).

If a top 2D or a big 2nd/3rd line F aren't available than we should go for picks and prospects... Let's not forget that we have Jensen & Gaunce knocking on the door too.

Sedins / Burr
Booth / Kes / Kass
Higgy / Schroeds (or trade) / Hansen
Pini / Manny / Lappy

I know Gaunce would be better off with the Wolves next year, but wouldn't it be great to see a line with Jensen / Gaunce / Kass... I think we could put them on the 3rd line and they would be defensively responsible and put up points.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:47 AM

Get a Sniper. doesn't matter if center or wing.

just need someone Who can be CREATIVE and score those big goals.

look at chicago. they add hossa=cup
look at LA. they add carter=cup

now canucks need to add that guy that = cup
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:15 AM

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Kassian/Raymond
Higgins Dubinsky Hansen
Volpatti Malhotra Lappy

Hamhuis Edler
Garrison Bieksa
Ballard Tanev
Alberts Barker

Schneids
Mason

Lou gets traded to CBJ for Mason, Dubinksi and a second


Not bad on paper for us on that trade, but I am pretty positive Luo is not waiving his NTC for CBJ
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:50 AM

Yeah, we need somebody who can produce points consistently on the top 6... But im not willing to trade Luongo for that! Maybe Schneider, only if the deal is right.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:03 AM

People keep saying we're SO STACKED..............BS! Do these people even look at some of the other teams?

Many of our players fade away in the best of 7 rounds. We need to get bigger. We lose focus so easily both at GM level and on these boards it is frightening.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:08 AM

The way I see it....

1st line) We know what we have with the Sedins / Burr line - could improve but we have the Kass option now

2nd line) A lot of posts regarding the 2nd line with Booth & Kes...needing them to play with a gifted passer. I think that Kass might fit the bill...

3rd line) I like having Schroeds here but we need a little more size and hitting in this department. This is one area that needs to be addressed... either bring in a winger or involve Schroeds in a trade for a big C

4th line) I think were ok in this department with guys like Pini coming back and the wolf boys...

Top 4 D) I love the guys now, but if a solid top 2D comes along than we trade for him....preferably someone with size and snarl ;)

Overall, I think we need that big C or wing that can play in the top 6 when needed... Or a top 2 Dman (this won't happen).

If a top 2D or a big 2nd/3rd line F aren't available than we should go for picks and prospects... Let's not forget that we have Jensen & Gaunce knocking on the door too.

Sedins / Burr
Booth / Kes / Kass
Higgy / Schroeds (or trade) / Hansen
Pini / Manny / Lappy

I know Gaunce would be better off with the Wolves next year, but wouldn't it be great to see a line with Jensen / Gaunce / Kass... I think we could put them on the 3rd line and they would be defensively responsible and put up points.


So you lose one of the hardest workers in the team, who may still outscore Booth and who is one of the main factors in Schroeder's performance and keep Booth AND Higgins...................Sorry that doesn't make sense.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:15 AM

We need to aquire a top 6 with size and scoring plus a 3rd line centre with size. I just don't think that Schroeder is the answer to the 3rd line centre position as a regular. He is too small and puts himself in a position to get hit. When the playoffs start he will get hammered. He has performed admirably so far but is not a longterm solution.
Next years cap means that we are going to have to shed some salary and I would rather start that process now and get something of a return for our players rather than be in a desperate position.


I'm one who said Schroeder wasn't ready but I'm not so sure now. I think even at his size he may be a keeper. He is getting chemistry with Raymond and maybe all we need to do is get him a big wingman to protect him a bit more. Part of our "problem" is guys like Higgins and Manny and to a lesser extent Booth and Hansen don't have much pushback. Sure they are physical but sometimes you need more than that.
I know Hansen has his moments as does Booth but I doubt they intimidate anyone.

I would like to see us get someone like Clowe.

Edited by Bodee, 07 February 2013 - 04:16 AM.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:03 AM

have seen this a number of times on this board... if you need to ask there IS probably need for a trade. in any case, on any team, if you can make yourself better, than do it. period.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:05 AM

Not necessarily a goalie trade! But we do need a sniper...trade Booth if he doesn't get his act together
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:10 AM

Our defence can't get much better right now but our forwards are clearly struggling. The Sedins are not scoring at a point-per-game, Higgins isn't scoring at a 20 goal pace, Burrows is barely scoring at a 40 point pace and who knows how Kesler and Booth will be when they return.

We need a top-6 center who can play on the wing. You win cups with depth at center, Boston did it with 7 NHL centermen, L.A did it with 6 and Chicago/Pittsburgh/Detroit's depth at center is well documented. Guys like Peverley played a lot on the wing until injuries opened up spots.

Right now the Canucks have Henrik, Kesler, Lapierre and Malhotra as full-time NHL centers. 1 or 2 more would be nice and no, Schroeder does not count - he doesn't even have an NHL goal.

If we need any trades, maybe move Ballard and a goalie (preferably Schneider) for a good depth defenceman to replace Ballard in the 2-3 million range, then with the remaining 5 million in cap, try and nab a high-end forward. Plenty of teams around the league need veteran defencemen and a future star goaltender, Edmonton reaaally comes to mind here.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:33 AM

We have extra depth on left wing (Sedin, Burrows, Booth, Raymond, Higgins, Volpatti, prospect Jensen) obviously in goal and on left D (Hamhuis, Edler, Ballard, Garrison, hickup Barker, prospect hickup Connauton).

On right wing our depth chart is Kassian, Hansen, Weise which really is not great, and 3 guys in front of Weise who play off wing pretty good. I think there is ample argument we can still use a top 6 winger. Considering the average weight on the left, I'd say it would be even more attractive if could score a big right wing.

At centre we have depth, but not high end depth behind Kesler and Sedin. A 70 point centre would add amazing scoring behind the top 2 and shelter us from injury.

Our best move would be a right shot, puck rushing D. Oh, we also have FOUR left D capable of playing on the top 2 positions. And none are particularly good on the right side. We could easily move one of Garrison, Ballard, Edler or Hamhuis. Which one?

But the point is we can give up a left D, a goalie and a left wing, not miss a beat and fill some needed roles???

Edited by Canuck Surfer, 07 February 2013 - 05:33 AM.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:52 AM

if we dont then we will have wasted a huge chance to push us over the top
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 06:03 AM

If Kesler and Booth get back soon and can get into proper form, and if the 2nd line can get rolling again with Higgins or some other combo, and if Pinnizzotto can replace Weise on the 4th line, and Garrison plays up to expecations, things should be looking pretty good. Good depth on d with Barker, Alberts, Vandermeer ready to fill in if needed. Maybe another sniper for some extra offensive firepower is the only thing that might be needed.

Edited by Heli_Kopitar, 07 February 2013 - 06:07 AM.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:01 AM

IMO for this season were pretty good if we can get everyone healthy going into playoffs. Raymond and Higgy are UFA at the end of this season. I assume we won't resign them for cap reasons. If we can get a piece to help us for the future for em great. The canucks need a right shot on d someone who can log 20 mins and move bodies from our crease and make a crisp pass out Nothing flashy. Yes I propose trading Ballard Raymond Higgins for nothing flashy + picks/prospects/ new backup if needed.

As for the goalie situation which ever one gets traded or beheaded (there shall be only one). Picks and prospects would be my focus and maybe a Filler 3C.

team would look like this

Sedins Kass
Booth Kes Shred
Burr Filler3c Hansen
Patti Malhotra Max Lap

Ham Juice
Edler Tanev
Garri Nothing Flashy

in sys. Jensen, Gaunce, K Con, Corrado, Picks, Prospects.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:12 AM

Yes - we need a consistent playoff goal scorer.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:41 AM

We have to trade CS or Luongo, we have 2 great assets there but we could only play 1 at a time, so with CS/Luo sitting on the bench is a waste of an asset.

our playoff window has only like 2 years left (this season and the next), so we cant afford to waste those years.

We neeed to trade to strenghten our 12 forwards.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Raymond - Schroeder - (TRADE)
Higgins - Lappiere - Hansen

Hamhuis - Edler
Garrison - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev

That depth would easily get us back to the Finals.




what is it about that depth that makes you think we can get past Chicago, San jose, Anahiem or LA to get to the finals?
In all seriousness that group will get beaten to a pulp and we can again use the "Too many injuries " excuse
we need waaaay more grit / size to go anywhere in the playoffs
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:44 AM

Trade Luongo for a top 6 gritty scoring forward.
Raymond needs to go as he not a big enough body for the third and not productive enough for second.
Combinations of Raymond,Higgins,Malholtra and Weise for one bottom 6 forward with size and a edge and possibly even Booth as you still don`t know if he`ll work.

As for trading Schroeder for a Defensive 3 rd line center. How `d that work out last year, besides I think Av likes that he`s proved pretty solid defensively plus has scoring potential.

Edited by cc_devil, 07 February 2013 - 10:47 AM.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:22 AM

People keep saying we're SO STACKED..............BS! Do these people even look at some of the other teams?

Many of our players fade away in the best of 7 rounds. We need to get bigger. We lose focus so easily both at GM level and on these boards it is frightening.

So you lose one of the hardest workers in the team, who may still outscore Booth and who is one of the main factors in Schroeder's performance and keep Booth AND Higgins...................Sorry that doesn't make sense.


hmmm..... my point doesn't make sense? :sadno:

I said,

"Overall, I think we need that big C or wing that can play in the top 6 when needed...." AND you post afterwards, "We need to get bigger. We lose focus so easily both at GM level and on these boards it is frightening.".

Basically we want the same things, but you believe that having Mayray in the lineup makes us bigger...gives us size and grit??? I purposely didn't include him in my lineup because I don't think he gives us the size and grit that's needed for the playoffs and he is usually one of the players that fade away post-season. As great as it is to see him put up points...I'm not one of the CDC members that lose "focus"... we need to include him in a trade with a team that wants his speed and work ethics.

Where we definitely disagree.... You talked about Mayray saying, "...who is one of the main factors in Schroeder's performance..."??? You need to give your a head a shake...it's the complete opposite! I think that recognition for Schroeds performance should go to Schroeds himself AND Schroeds is one of the main factors in Mayray's performance.

:picard:

Then you post,

"Part of our "problem" is guys like Higgins and Manny and to a lesser extent Booth and Hansen don't have much pushback. Sure they are physical but sometimes you need more than that.
I know Hansen has his moments as does Booth but I doubt they intimidate anyone."




You think Mayray has more pushback than Higgy, Manny, Booth and Hansen??? You think the opposing teams find Mayray more intimidating than Hansen and Booth??? :picard:
Sure, Mayray has played better so far this season, but he has already started to cool in the points department....He's done well to come back from adversity, but a couple players you listed have too. These 4 guys will help the Nucks a lot more during the playoffs than Mayray ....
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:27 AM

Move Schnieder and bring in Lack when he's healthy
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

Yes, we need to trade one of our goalies. It's unhealthy for both goalies to continue on with the controversy the media and the rest of the hockey world is putting on them. For all those people who are saying lets just keep both, you obviously don't realize that.

Lu may have been more "tight lipped" about the whole situation, but it was obviously and probably still is bothering him.. I mean, how could it not? He was our starter and was supposed to be signed long term, for the rest of his career. After losing in the final all of a sudden he is unappreciated? Talk about sore losers the fans of Vancouver are. Just because you were hearing it from all angles from bandwagon fans and rest of the NHL competition, why should you have to agree? It just plainly shows how weak your commitment as a fan and to this franchise really is, it's laughable.

Schneider on the other hand is just more open about his concerns. (Though I don't think getting your agent to publicly complain was the way express it) I think once a trade is finally done, we can gain a few small pieces and hopefully just move on and focus more fully as a team. I'm pretty certain on this, the only way that I admit that I'm wrong is if we go to the final with both goalies and win the cup. lol Then I will happily eat my words, but unless that happens please let's stop this from dragging on for any longer than it has to.

EDIT: Maybe a deal just can't be done? From how Lu has been playing and taken the situation, I wonder why anybody isn't showing more interest.. A lot of these teams have shaky goaltending, it's bad tactics imo if they are simply low balling and just trying to get him for cheaper later... At least show that you are wiling to give something up for a player of that calibre, it shows commitment to the player. I was really hoping Washington was it, but who knows. <_<

Edited by Kesler's Nose, 07 February 2013 - 11:50 AM.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:32 AM

It depends how Booth & Kesler do when they're healthy. For now, no.


Agreed.....
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:35 AM

There are two areas that I think we need a trade in:
1) Goalies - I just don't think this pattern of alternating our two "#1's" is going to last long term. Sure everything is cordial & polite for the time being, but when it comes playoff time, I really don't see Schneider & Luongo being comfortable sharing the net. This needs to be resolved. Maybe not today or this week, but eventually, and before the playoffs.
2) Scoring depth. This team had trouble scoring last season. Not just in the crucial playoff games, but in the second of the regular season itself. We might have Kassian to fill in some of that scoring for now, but to put all that pressure on one kid isn't a good gameplan. We need another solid thirdliner who can shutdown and also score from time to time, so that pressure can be taken off the first & second lines so that they can concentrate on scoring.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:19 PM

Take the team and Schneider's bad first game where coughed up 7 & we're the top defensive team in the league. We've also won 5 of our last 7. And that even though we're 15th in goal scoring.

I know we'll score more when Kesler draws some of the defensive match ups from the Twins. Here is our priorities though;

Right D is by far #1. Here's why; What happens if Bieksa goes down? I know Tanev is playing great, but he's skinny as a rail. We could also use a right handed shot who can rush the puck. Well, that's dreaming but its a point. See LA last year; teams will load match ups and punish us Tanev's on our top D pair.

Scoring should be our number one priority, aside from shoring up right D. Heck, that puck rushing D, see our league #1 offense with Erhoff, could be enough? But our centre and RW depth is also not exciting, there are numerous combinations of additions that could bring up our goal tally with some extra size also a must have inclusive!
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:32 PM

give up nothing/ get kessler and booth

lets see where were at after this happens.

we don't have to force anything and if the right offer dose come along MG will have a look, everyone chill
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:36 PM

We need to make a trade for a Shawn Thornton type of guy, that is all.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:40 PM

We need to make a trade for a Shawn Thornton type of guy, that is all.


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