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#61 Wetcoaster

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:50 PM

I had no idea what 'concerned citizens of bc' was so I went to their website. Front page, attack ad against the NDP. How to help page, attacking the NDP.You decide page, same thing.

So, a Liberal hackjob website is attacking Dix. Why is this a thread on its own? This just gives legitimacy to these clowns.

Similar to what the public sector unions do to support the NDP.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 11:52 PM

The BC Liberals love the green party - their vote splitting won them the last election. So ya kinda surprised that Cristy isn't there biggest supporter. Every vote for them is essentially a vote for the Liberals..... I like some of there parties platform but once you get beyond environmental issues they are weak on much substance in regards to economic issues.

Just like the NDP benefited from vote splitting on the right in the past.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:16 AM

Similar to what the public sector unions do to support the NDP.


Not at all the subject of this thread?

Not suprising that's your reply though...
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:18 AM

Not at all the subject of this thread?

Not suprising that's your reply though...

???

Seems on point. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander?
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:17 AM

Here is Michael Smyth's take on the ad:


A brutal pre-election attack ad aimed at Adrian Dix drags up the most notorious episode from the NDP leader's past: the infamous "memo-to-file."


Dix better get used to it. The Liberals will pour salt in this wound all the way to election day.


"Adrian Dix: he was chief-of-staff to B.C.'s premier," says the new TV commercial from Concerned Citizens For B.C., a pro-Liberal group headed by Premier Christy Clark's former strategic adviser.


"He was found to have forged a document in the premier's office during the course of an RCMP commercial crime squad investigation.


"Forced to admit his guilt after police examined his computer, he was fired."


For those of you having trouble remembering all the way back to the 1990s, here's how this bizarre episode went down:


On March 2, 1999, police raided the home of then-NDP premier Glen Clark. They were looking for evidence of corruption in the government's approval of a casino licence for one of Clark's friends.


The next day, Dix produced the "memo-to-file" that said Clark had informed him the casino-licence applicant was a friend, and that Clark was to have no involvement in the approval process.


How convenient! And how suspicious. As the investigation unfolded, Dix admitted he had back-dated the uncirculated memo, even obtaining an official "Office of the Premier" stamp from the desk of Clark's secretary, and rolling back the date to July 17, 1998.


"It was a mistake and I take responsibility for it," Dix told me.


As you consider this blot on Dix's record, here's an important distinction to keep in mind: Although Dix admits back-dating the memo, he denies doing it during the police investigation, as suggested in the pro-Liberal commercials.


Dix testified at Clark's trial that he created the memo in "September or early October 1998" — five months before Clark's home was searched by police.


So did Dix know that police were investigating Clark — and that the premier desperately needed an alibi — when he created the memo?


"Of course not," Dix replies. The cops have said they had started an undercover investigation of Clark by December 1998.


But here's the problem for Dix: There has never been any evidence produced proving precisely when he created the memo.


Dix testified he tore the hand-written notes of his original conversation with Clark out of his notebook and destroyed them. And although police examined his computer, Dix said he doesn't know if the cops were ever able to verify whether the notorious "memo-to-file" was created at the time he claimed.


"None of that matters," Dix told me. "It was wrong and I acknowledge it."


But it seems to me if there was proof Dix created the memo before the police investigation, it would matter a lot, and the NDP would be shouting it from the rooftops.

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Liberals+attack+leaves+with+problem/7930900/story.html#ixzz2KIDXOcY9
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:27 AM

???

Seems on point. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander?


Screw the goose and the gander .. you are such a panderer for the BC LIberal "Hoax" that few here can actually accept your word for anything that has an "agenda" ..

Stick to legal opinions and leave politics alone .. or lose much of your credibility ..
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:28 AM

Similar to what the public sector unions do to support the NDP.


yes similar but more out front and issue focused. When the BCTF ran adds they focused on their complaints regarding their work issue and openly list the "paid for by the BCTF tag". These attack adds in my opinion are very misleading. That website presents itself as a grass roots group of average citizens concerned only about a single focus issue - Apparently the BC Liberals can do wrong - its just the NDP they are concerned about. Hmm something seems very fishy here - I and my co workers couldn't afford to attend canucks games let alone pay for multiple TV commercials during them .... It would seem that this group has very deep pockets. Why not just out themselves so everyone can see who is behind those deep pocket expensive adds. These people have more money than the unions - more money than most of us will ever see. I would be interested in seeing the donors list ..... I am sure it will be a who's who of BC Liberal party supporters in the corporate world. Just like a union that has to list itself as sponsor so too should the companies using this front group - we have a right to know which companies are paying for those adds. Atleast the adds will stop or come clean once the election is called - If I am correct after the election call any advertising has to be openly declared and registered with spending limits. ( so no more anonymous so called average citizens groups with million dollar TV adds )

and our correct both parties - every party in Canada has benefited from the vote split. Vote splitting kept Federal Liberals in power and vote splitting took them out of power - Ditto for BC - provincial elections have been determined by vote splitting and bi elections decided by them as well.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:38 AM

When the top news story is http://www.cbc.ca/ne...ax-charges.html

and that is left alone by those that demand every second of the NDP be held to full account - its not a case of if they loose credibility - it completely removes any doubt as to there complete lack of it. If an NDP candidate faced tax charges and Mr Dix didn't remove him this board would be alive with people demanding he resign and using that as an example of the inability to lead. However when its the "other" party its no big deal - not even a passing mention. It's not what that group is saying that is so wrong - its what they are not saying.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:13 AM

???

Seems on point. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander?


No. It's the stupid reply one typically gets in politics. Politician or group x does something bad. Later, politician or group y does the same or similar. Hack commenter 'well politician x did it too you know' like that matters or in any way absolves politician y from having done that.

It's irrelevant, disingenuous misdirection to avoid the fact that politician or group y did something bad. It's just a race to the bottom with thinking like that.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:38 AM

I take it you mean "libellous" in that it is defamatory.

It does not seem to me to be to even close to the borderline.

Dix admitted to committing fraud and forgery as well as attempting to obstruct justice - so it seems to me that more than supports the observation that he is unethical. Dix's position - It was a mistake. Ya think? Or is it only a mistake because you got caught?

Dix has played fast and loose with the law in a number of circumstances. I set it out in detail in the past:
http://forum.canucks...0#entry11036044

Vaughn Palmer of the Vancouver Sun notes that Adrian Dix's ethical lapses are not limited to fraudulent memos.

  • Dix slithered around the laws regarding recall campaigns - and that law was passed by the BC NDP.
  • Pulling the Six Mile Ranch out of the ALR - Dix was dispatched on behalf of Glen Clark to try to pressure the Chair of the ALR which is supposedly an independent tribunal - again established by the NDP. The Chair of the ALR called for a public inquiry - that was ignored by the NDP government.
  • The BC Hydro/ Raiwind Power Project tax dodge - Dix attended the meetings on behalf of Glen Clark when the scheme was hatched but we are supposed to believe that nothing was known of this by the Premier? BC Hydro John Laxton fell on his sword as result.
As Palmer points out if you are going to point a finger at the BC Liberals you best be coming to the party with clean hands and Dix does not have them.

http://www.canada.co...230f2521&k=8094

As such the comments seem to fit squarely within the defence of fair comment set out by the Supreme Court of Canada in a defamation suit brought by Christian values advocate Kari Simpson against radio host Rafe Mair and WIC Radio Ltd.
WIC Radio Ltd. v. Simpson, [2008] 2 S.C.R. 420, 2008 SCC 40
http://csc.lexum.org...m/5670/index.do

The judgment sets forth the standards for defamation to be found in areas of public interest and they are:

(a) the comment must be on a matter of public interest;
( B) the comment must be based on fact;
(c ) the comment, though it can include inferences of fact, must be recognizable as comment;
(d) the comment must satisfy the following objective test: could any [person] honestly express that opinion on the proved facts?
(e) even though the comment satisfies the objective test, the defence can be defeated if the plaintiff proves that the defendant was actuated by express malice.

So in summary this comment does not appear to be anywhere near the borderline and in fact may be several miles miles distant.




Still doesn't change the pot calling the kettle black.

Maybe Jim Shepard should worry about other things like ....

http://www.vancouver...5176/story.html
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:53 PM

Still doesn't change the pot calling the kettle black.

Maybe Jim Shepard should worry about other things like ....

http://www.vancouver...5176/story.html

Why would that concern Shepard and his organization any more than NDP support groups do not bring up negative matters about the NDP?
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