TspecPA Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 To Van. J. Franzen + 3rd round 2013 To Det. Ballard +Raymond The basis of trade is obviously Franzen for Ballard Their cap hits are close. 3.95 vs. 4.2mil. Is this trade ballanced enough? Fills Canucks need for top 6 size,grit and scoring. Wings need for skilled D-man. Sedin. Sedin. Franzen Booth. Kessler. Kassian/Burrows Higgins. Schroeder. Burrows/Kassian Volpatti. Lapierre. Hansen Weise. Molholtra Acquire top D-man and prospects through trade Of Luongo/Schneider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Bond Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Detroit might be thin on the blueline, but they're not this desperate. Franzen is also signed until 2020, so this would be a slap in the face to the younger guys in our system who are fighting for a future spot in the top-six. That being said, Franzen's got a sweet cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TspecPA Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 We have gone into the playoffs the last three years With basically the same lineup and have not won The cup. Close is only close. Other top teams have Made improvements. If we don't do likewise by Addressing our lack of scoring and toughness on All four lines, I believe we'll fall short again. I feel getting Franzen does this in a big way and As you mentioned, with a "sweet" cap hit. This Benefits us on ice today and is manageable for Yrs to come. As far as prospects in our system, I agree it will Be nice to see them have an chance. They will. Other contracts will expire, others will be traded And they will step up to fill in for those or for The injured. Detroit not being desperate to do this? I asked If this was ballanced. What would you suggest as Fair compensation? Tweek the trade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Bond Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'm too lazy/tired to break down this proposal, but I will offer an alternate suggestion, something that I think is a little more balanced and gives Detroit fair return for Franzen. To VAN: Johan Franzen To DET: Kevin Bieksa I think that's something Detroit would consider. One team gets a major upgrade on defence, the other gets a major upgrade up front. I wouldn't do it myself, but that's a little more even in value IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TspecPA Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 Room for prospects opportunity in near future. The following contracts expire: UFA's 2013 are Ebbett,Malhotra,Volpatti,Higgins,Lapierre RFA's 2013 are Weise and Schroeder UFA. 2014 Hansen. I like Higgins,Lapierre,Schroeder and Volpatti. Lines next year: Sedin. Sedin. Franzen Booth. Kessler. Kassian/Burrows Higgins. Schroeder/Gaunce. Kassian/Burrows/Jenzen Volpatti. Lapierre. Hanzen Still looks respectable with Schroeder and Gaunce battling for a spot and Jenzen getting a look when needed. Alot of "Zen". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Bond Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Room for prospects opportunity in near future. The following contracts expire: UFA's 2013 are Ebbett,Malhotra,Volpatti,Higgins,Lapierre RFA's 2013 are Weise and Schroeder UFA. 2014 Hansen. I like Higgins,Lapierre,Schroeder and Volpatti. Lines next year: Sedin. Sedin. Franzen Booth. Kessler. Kassian/Burrows Higgins. Schroeder/Gaunce. Kassian/Burrows/Jenzen Volpatti. Lapierre. Hanzen Still looks respectable with Schroeder and Gaunce battling for a spot and Jenzen getting a look when needed. Alot of "Zen". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TspecPA Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 I agree more with your valuation and could live with that. Keeping in mind that Luo or Schneider would be used to reload the defence. What part would you not be interested in doing, acquiring Franzen,parting with Bieksa or both. There are not many options out there for someone that fills both needs up front(scoring and size/grit) in the same cap range. Clowe. 3.625. UFA 2013 Van Riemsdyke. 4.25 Backes. 4.5 Getzlaf. 5.325. UFA 2013 Perry. 5.325. UFA 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 franzen is the replacement to holmstrom. Hed be a perfect fit for the twins, doubt they would trade him for ballard but how effective is franzen at age 40 with 3.9 cap? guess he could be bought out. sedin sedin franzen- thats a solid line great in playoffs potentially as franzen is a beast. burrows kesler booth - decent higgins lapierre hansen problem is with franzen kassian would be hard pressed to fit in top 9 unless we traded or didnt sign higgins, booth, lappy etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookie Wilson Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'm too lazy/tired to break down this proposal, but I will offer an alternate suggestion, something that I think is a little more balanced and gives Detroit fair return for Franzen. To VAN: Johan Franzen To DET: Kevin Bieksa I think that's something Detroit would consider. One team gets a major upgrade on defence, the other gets a major upgrade up front. I wouldn't do it myself, but that's a little more even in value IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 Raymond's playing really well right now so I wouldn't want to trade him, looks like he's got his game back, and he's the only secondary offence we have right now. As for Ballard, it looks like he too is rediscovering his game, his last game was IMO his best of his tenure as a Canuck. Bieksa on the otherhand has been brutal defensively since Mitchell left - Hamhuis just covers up his mistakes. This season he isn't even scoring that much, Edler and Hamhuis are carrying the offence from the blueline. Bieksa and maybe a 2nd or 1st rounder for Franzen would be ideal for both teams. Detroit get a big-minute guy, Vancouver get a big swede who is the PERFECT fit for the Sedins and a playoff performer. Sedin - Sedin - Franzen Burrows - Kesler - Booth Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen Kassian - Lapierre - Higgins Malhotra Edler - Hamhuis Ballard - Tanev Garrison - Barker Vandermeer Alberts Still fantastic depth on the blueline, Ballard and Tanev are proving to me that they're one of the better pairings on this team and deserve more ice time (18-20 minutes) whereas Garrison has struggled a bit and doesn't quite deserve the minutes he was getting in Florida. We still have 8 NHL defencemen which is plenty. On offence, the Canucks now become the deepest attack in the league by a long shot. Having a 20 goal scorer in Higgins on your 4th line proves this, that 4th line will be the difference maker in long playoff series just the way Boston's, Pittsburgh's, Detroits and Chicago's were to their success. That is a perfect, balanced attack with the right amount of speed, skill, size, youth and veteran experience. You win Cups with depth at the forward position, big-time stars on defence (not necessarily depth) and good goaltending. This lineup has it all. If our D seems a bit shotty come trade-deadline we can always move a goaltender for a top-4 guy without much trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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