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#31 MANGO

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:56 PM

Alien life is, at this point, something completely made up in our imagination. We have no proof of it whatsoever.

We do, however, have the mathematical equasions that make it near virtually impossible for there not to be extraterrestrial life. Anything's possible, so there is a slight chance that we're the only ones, but that slight chance is so incredibly slim. All it takes is one trace of one bacteria on one rock on one other planet anywhere in the universe, and alien life is confirmed.


The fact that we are here, exisiting in space, is proof that life exists in space.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:33 PM

Alien life is, at this point, something completely made up in our imagination. We have no proof of it whatsoever.

Yes, quite similar to the "supreme being(s)" postulated by the world's various religions...

According to the article it says the nearest possibility of an Earth-like planet is only 13 light years..."practically next door"....like that is nothing. The fact remains that 13 light years is actually 122989496143550 km. OR in other words completely impossible for humans to travel to without a massive leap in technology. And that is just the nearest Earth-like planet. That doesn't make it a viable planet for humans. Just one that is a possible. As far as a space-faring planet goes, we are in our infancy.

This is true. However, I think the point is that if we can confirm that earth-like planets are more common that previously thought, the likelihood that life exists on other planets is increased as well. Actual contact with alien life is still a thing of science fiction, unless some very advanced alien civilization decides to contact us.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:11 PM

It's already happened once, so yes it has been proven.


That's no better of an argument than "life is here, so that proves God exists."

In fact, given the insane amount of mathematical improbability/impossibility, it's an even worse argument.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:33 PM

That's no better of an argument than "life is here, so that proves God exists."

In fact, given the insane amount of mathematical improbability/impossibility, it's an even worse argument.


Except for the fact that one has a basis in science, and the other is based on a 2000 year old book.

And its not an insane amount of improbability. Its insane to think we'll find other lifeforms in the near future. But with the number of planets and stars in the universe, and the billions of years the universe has been around, its insane to think we're the only ones now, and the only ones ever.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:02 AM

Except for the fact that one has a basis in science, and the other is based on a 2000 year old book.

And its not an insane amount of improbability. Its insane to think we'll find other lifeforms in the near future. But with the number of planets and stars in the universe, and the billions of years the universe has been around, its insane to think we're the only ones now, and the only ones ever.


I wasn't even talking about religion in that post.

There is no evidence that the spontaneous generation of life from non-living matter is possible. Looking at it mathematically, it is completely impossible.

"If amino acids were linked at random, there would be a vast number of arrangements that would be useless in serving the purposes of a living cell. When you consider that a typical enzyme has a chain of perhaps 200 links and that there are 20 possibilities for each link, its easy to see that the number of useless arrangements is enormous, more than the number of atoms in all the galaxies visible in the largest telescopes. This is for one enzyme, and there are upwards of 2000 of them, mainly serving very different purposes. So how did the situation get to where we find it to be? - Sir Fred Hoyle


The probability of just one protein with 100 amino acids randomly forming on earth is about one in a million billion. Then many proteins would it take to form even the simplest form of life? Not to mention how they would form a complex structure, with DNA/RNA relationship, capable of self-replication? Hoyle calculated that the chance of obtaining the enzymes for the simplest living cell spontaneously was one in ten to the 40,000th power.

The extreme impossibility of earth-based abiogenesis has led many to believe that life, as we know it, was designed, and deliberately placed on earth. (Whether by "God", or some form of alien life, does not matter for this point.) From a mathematical perspective, it is pretty much the only acceptable theory.

But if one wants to suspend mathematical possibility, and believe in spontaneous formation of life, that is one thing. But the idea that this could happen not only once, but multiple times, is a whole new level of impossible. Mathematics would not support that theory in the least, no matter how many "earth-like" planets were found.

Given the numbers, if life were actually found elsewhere in the universe, it wouldn't challenge general intelligent design theory - it would actually lend it support.
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