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#1 CanYouNuck?

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:19 AM

First of all, there is no doubt about it that Kess and Booth are great strong power forwards with speed and skill that can dominate the NHL. However, let us not forget these guys struggled last year...and we expect them to come back right to form upon their return...some even expecting them to blow the numbers out of the water right away??

The team right now obviously is in some sort of a rhythm which seems to be improving as each game passes. We all know that playing time plays a huge factor in achieving that rhythm which is what the return of Kess and Booth will disrupt (especially for the hot rayray, shredder, hansen line).

Lets forget about salaries right now and think: given Kessler's skill set and situation, should he be centering a shutdown 3rd line with Booth when he returns? This will allow the mayray line to continue to click (until they get cold) and more importantly allow Kessler and Booth to ease their way back into the game (with less minutes and less pressure to be a 2-way player).

Basically my point here is, when they're healthy, throwing Kess and Booth back into top line roles right away may not be the wisest choice...for now.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:22 AM

they arent ready to come back yet anyways, just starting to practice
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:23 AM

I know you said to ignore the salaries but I'm actually wondering, do we have the cap space to bring them both back?

Edited by Where's Wellwood, 10 February 2013 - 02:24 AM.

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#4 CanYouNuck?

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:24 AM

they arent ready to come back yet anyways, just starting to practice


Im just hypothetically saying WHEN they comeback....
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:26 AM

There's something to be said for being something of an underdog versus being great 'on paper'. Last year we looked way too comfortable to the point that we were showcasing players and saving ourselves for the playoffs.

Kesler is spelled ... well, yeah.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:28 AM

The longer Kesler is out, the less likely he is to be broken come playoff time.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:30 AM

I don't think either of them are going to return for a while (at least 2 weeks if I had to guess a minimum)

Hopefully we can maintain our recent chemistry until then and we'll have a larger sample size to draw conclusions about who should be taken out and moved where. Tough to say who's going to get taken out.. especially with Schroeder's great play.. Wiese will probably have to come out and Manny? We need some toughness on the 4th line so Volpatti can hopefully handle that and Lapierre. I guess Higgins/Hansen/Kassian will get demoted to 4th line duties.

We'll have a deadly fast lineup though and be able to roll all 4 lines
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:39 AM

WHO IS KESSLER
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Toronto will take a step back next year.
Feel free to quote me.


July 8-2013

Wow I can't believe peoples replies...
Im done here. You people are disgusting..


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:41 AM

OOOH this guy

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Toronto will take a step back next year.
Feel free to quote me.


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Wow I can't believe peoples replies...
Im done here. You people are disgusting..


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:00 AM

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POPULAR

WHO IS KESSLER


it's funny that you think your funny...
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#11 nuck nit

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:04 AM

The team's play as of late is allowing Kes to take his time and pace his return.There is no rush and that is good for all concerned.
Booth seems to be in the situation now to want to return to action by the interview he did a few days ago that was posted up here.
The addition of any player upsets the chemistry building now but Booth and Kes have to make their way back as third liners in limited ice and then it's wait and see.
Manny,Lappy and Hank have all had very good f/o% in the last few games so it could be that Kes will return as a winger,further complicating matters.His shoulder should not be thrown into 2C action any time soon.Personally,I would like to see how he does on the wing.That would give the .org longer to see how Jordan makes out.
However,this is all good and the coaching staff can worry about it.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:06 AM

I know you said to ignore the salaries but I'm actually wondering, do we have the cap space to bring them both back?


Yes we do, we never actually put either of them on the LTIR therefore their caphit always affected us.
it looks like we have a 25 man roster though, we may have to send 2 people down once they come back.
Barker / Ebbet I guess
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:06 AM

it's funny that you think your funny...


I think its sad, not funny.

Ellipses after statements, THAT IS NO LAUGHING MATTER!
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Toronto will take a step back next year.
Feel free to quote me.


July 8-2013

Wow I can't believe peoples replies...
Im done here. You people are disgusting..


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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:32 AM

kesler will have the same problem he always has he plays like a shutdown 3rd line centre in his own end and going up the ice he plays like a winger and has never developed into a play making centre like a 2nd line centre needs to be .. even back healthy how good are we expecting kesler to be he seems to be made of glass all these surgeries gotta catch up to him sometime... At this rate we can forget about him ever taking over the first line centre job when henrik is done , kesler is more likely to retire befor him .
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#15 ThaBestPlaceOnEarth

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:52 AM

Given how well he Canucks have been playing without Booth and Kesler, we can afford to give them the extra time to get good and ready, no rush.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:58 AM

I don't think the immediate difference will be night and day.
I think people need to be placed in the right positions, to maximize their collective skillsets.
Once the team is firing on all cylinders, I think we'll be in a pretty good spot.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:39 AM

The longer Kesler is out, the less likely he is to be broken come playoff time.


I guess you don't remember the '07 playoffs....
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:46 AM

it's funny that you think your funny...

I think its sad, not funny.

Ellipses after statements, THAT IS NO LAUGHING MATTER!


...I am just not feeling bold enough this morning to go there, so I won't.

To the OP, I would be surprised if there were some fans expecting Kesler and Booth to instantly come back to form. We can all be assured, however, that they will be healthy. As for lines, they will slot in on the second line with either Kassian or Burrows as a linemate. The chemistry of Hansen, Shredder, and RayRay is very promising, and I for one do not expect that third line to change moving forward. Once K & B return this will arguably be the best team to dress in a Canucks uniform, leading us all to one overwhelming question...

Edited by Jester13, 10 February 2013 - 07:47 AM.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:20 AM

I'm certainly not for giving either a "walk in" while this team is performing. That would not imo be good for team morale.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:23 AM

If Kesler can come back as the 40 goal scorer that we know he is, then i want him on the second line.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:59 AM

Don't be shocked if the Canucks lose a couple in a row when Kes and Bear hunter return. Team is rolling with chemistry right now and putting guys in your top 6 who haven't played in a very long time will likely slow things down a bit till they find their game.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:16 AM

Huh huh huh.

'Bear hunter.'

Good wun.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:42 AM

I think the Canucks should slowly ease the two into an offensive role - also, I think we should use the Kesler line as a shutdown line.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:12 AM

At the very least, it's got to help that dismal PP.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:19 AM

I'm certainly not for giving either a "walk in" while this team is performing. That would not imo be good for team morale.


I agree. Montreal let Subban come right back and look how it helped them last night. I watched that game and I couldn't believe how selfish he was on the ice, especially on the PP. However, I don't think either Kesler or Booth are the pariah in the dressing room that Subban is, so it would be a tad unfair to expect the same results.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:25 AM

Volpatti and Weisse will be sitting. No way AV breaks up Schrieder Raymond Hansen line right now. Lappy drops to center the fourth with Manny and Higgins or Booth. Kes plays between Kassian and Booth/Higgins.

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth/Higgins Kesler Kassian
Raymond Schroeder Hansen
Booth/Higgins Lappy Malhotra
Volpatti

Hamhuis Edler
Garrison Bieksa
Ballard Tanev
Alberts Barker

Schneid
Lou

Pretty solid looking lineup. Can roll all four lines. Play Volpatti against tough teams.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:37 AM

The one thing I hope doesn't happen is Kassian losing his edge by not playing top line minutes, he's been pretty lights out even when he hasn't scored. I just Hope Schroeder and Kassian stay with the BIg Boys it'll be great for their development.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:42 AM

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian (Twins need Kassian keeping guys honest)
Higgins-Kesler-Burrows (Kesler might need Burrows even more than Sedins )
Raymond-Schroeder-Hansen (fastest line in league ?)
Booth-LaPierre-Volpatti (potential forechecking wrecking crew)

wiese and vandermeer on standby for greasy teams.

i.e.. any team in East..

Grit Roster

Sedin-Sedin-Kassian
Higgins-Kesler-Burrows
Booth-Schroeder-Volpatti
Vandermeer-LaPierre-Wiese
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:59 AM

it's Kesler btw
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:02 PM

Volpatti and Weisse will be sitting. No way AV breaks up Schrieder Raymond Hansen line right now. Lappy drops to center the fourth with Manny and Higgins or Booth. Kes plays between Kassian and Booth/Higgins.

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth/Higgins Kesler Kassian
Raymond Schroeder Hansen
Booth/Higgins Lappy Malhotra
Volpatti

Hamhuis Edler
Garrison Bieksa
Ballard Tanev
Alberts Barker

Schneid
Lou

Pretty solid looking lineup. Can roll all four lines. Play Volpatti against tough teams.


I like it, sounds good to me. Guess that means Ebbett and Weise go down, Volpatti has been out playing Weise a little these days anyways. Insert Booth on 4th till he gets a few games in, move him up to a line with Kes after he gets going. Our current 2nd line stays in tact and shifts to our 3rd line and our 4th line gets some much needed power, I think it's safe to say we could effectively roll four lines with out much difficulty or it being a "liability." :)
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