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I know its been a couple games since but why didnt anybody fight duncan keith?


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#121 vcr1970

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:59 PM

I've played the game. A guy fighting me didn't stop me from throwing my hits. A guy bumping me? Big freakin' deal. Again I'll ask...has fighting Torres stopped him from playing his questionable game? I say not at all. You're deluded if you think it ever will.


Btw, I did say beat them "repeatedly" didn't I? Which we haven't. Unless we do they have no reason to fear us. Getting into a fight won't make them fear us at all. Particularly if they win the game in the process. That just tells them they can throw us off our game and get us taking stupid penalties. Great game plan.


You beat and teach different people in different ways.

When you have a nut job like Torres running around hitting your guys, fighting won't stop him, so what you do is send your crazy guys out to hit their star players. After awhile somebody's star players are going to want their team to stop.............the other team wins.

When a regular player like Keith slams one of your star players, you send the police over to beat him up and make sure he thinks twice before it happens again............What you don't do is say, ok you win this time but we scored more goals.............its not rocket science folks!

Edited by vcr1970, 13 February 2013 - 11:00 PM.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:07 PM

We sent our message. Our stars are targets in the playoffs again this year.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:16 PM

It's not smart to let your key players take cheap shots.



Which is why the Sedins would be wise to think twice before laying a cheap shot on a guy like Keith.

Edited by thema, 13 February 2013 - 11:17 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:13 AM

Which is why the Sedins would be wise to think twice before laying a cheap shot on a guy like Keith.


If Sedin's was a cheap shot then Keith deserved a bertuzzi suspension for retaliation. Regardless, it's amusing that people think the nucks are soft when they hit the hell out of the Hawks, beat them on the ice and their star players like keith run and hide.

I was saying Lu-Urns...

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:42 AM

Keith=bit*h

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:16 AM

He should of took a beating like any other player in this league would against any other team. None of this the 2 points Is better garbage.

You wait for the playoffs when the reffs put away their whistles and punish him and punish him again. You get him off his game and their whole backend falls apart. These teams are on a collision course to face each other in the playoffs, its in the cards. Karma on the big stage is what Keith deserves.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:06 PM

We're been one of the softest teams in the league for a long time. If you're STILL not used to that fact you never will be.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:55 PM

We're been one of the softest teams in the league for a long time. If you're STILL not used to that fact you never will be.


I couldn't agree more. Anytime you consistently hear your coach or GM or local media saying you have "team toughness", which we've heard for years, what that really means if your team really isn't that tough.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 10:21 PM

We're been one of the softest teams in the league for a long time. If you're STILL not used to that fact you never will be.

Gillis is a rigid hockey pacifist ideologue, and he's determined to prove it can win.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:27 PM

Should we meet in the playoffs again, we will beat the crap outta them. Chicago isn't half the physical presence the Canucks are.

Edited by CanucksSayEh, 14 February 2013 - 11:27 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2013 - 11:50 PM

Should we meet in the playoffs again, we will beat the crap outta them. Chicago isn't half the physical presence the Canucks are.


Who on the Canuck's is a hard hitter besides Patti, Kassian and Edler?

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:54 AM

Who on the Canuck's is a hard hitter besides Patti, Kassian and Edler?


Hamhuis, Ballard, Booth, Kesler, Weise, Bieksa, Garrison... damn near our entire roster is capable of laying on the hurt, especially when playoffs call for it. For all the talk of lack of grit (which is true), we can out hit any team in the league. Canucks proved it in their cup run, not even Boston came close to the highlight reel of checks the Nucks layed.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:46 AM

You beat and teach different people in different ways.

When you have a nut job like Torres running around hitting your guys, fighting won't stop him, so what you do is send your crazy guys out to hit their star players. After awhile somebody's star players are going to want their team to stop.............the other team wins.

When a regular player like Keith slams one of your star players, you send the police over to beat him up and make sure he thinks twice before it happens again............What you don't do is say, ok you win this time but we scored more goals.............its not rocket science folks!


Oh I get it. So Keith screwed up. He should have had a knuckle dragger give Daniel a good beat down for his questionable hit instead of taking a cheap shot himself. Would have saved him that silly suspension.

Edited by Baggins, 15 February 2013 - 05:49 AM.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 08:14 AM

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:35 PM

Oh I get it. So Keith screwed up. He should have had a knuckle dragger give Daniel a good beat down for his questionable hit instead of taking a cheap shot himself. Would have saved him that silly suspension.


I think its pretty obvious that if Keith had an issue with Daniel's hit, he should have pounded on Daniel himself OR had a knuckle dragger do it for him.
The absolute worst thing to do was make a non hockey play where he completly goes out of his way to Elbow Sedin in the head.

Isn't that a no brainer?

But hey, then again, we have guys like you who will just accept having our star taking a cheap shot so maybe Keith did have the right idea afterall

Now keep in mind, if a knuckle dragger tried to get at Daniel, he will prob end up fighting someone like Bieksa but the main point is, elbowing Sedin in the head for retribution would have been a bad move (if the Canucks actually made him pay for it)

But good thing Keith has advocates like you who are looking to look past his actions

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:03 PM

I find it amazing how many people are so focused on toughness and retaliation sice the bruins won. Just shows how much of a copy cat mindset people have.

You don't need to goon it up to win. If you play a fast skilled game you can very easily win it all. Or does everyone forget how Detroit got so many banners?

I'm saying I'd like to see our team play soft and get pushed around the ice. We do a good job of playing physical, but all this talk about not being gritty enoug and not retaliating enough is rubbish. That doesn't help us win and isn't that what matters? There's more than one way to win, wouldn't mind if we thought bit outside of the box on how to do so. If every team is trying to get bigger and grittier(ala Boston LA) who's to say a smaller quick team on every line wouldn't have success.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

Basically who cares. If someone wants to take a cheap shot at a star player, do you really think the prospect of someone trying to fight him will deter him?
Most fights the guy will take maybe 1 or 2 clean shots to the face. That's not much of a deterrent. Who hasn't been hit a few times in the face, it's no big deal.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:43 PM

I think its pretty obvious that if Keith had an issue with Daniel's hit, he should have pounded on Daniel himself OR had a knuckle dragger do it for him.
The absolute worst thing to do was make a non hockey play where he completly goes out of his way to Elbow Sedin in the head.

Isn't that a no brainer?

But hey, then again, we have guys like you who will just accept having our star taking a cheap shot so maybe Keith did have the right idea afterall

Now keep in mind, if a knuckle dragger tried to get at Daniel, he will prob end up fighting someone like Bieksa but the main point is, elbowing Sedin in the head for retribution would have been a bad move (if the Canucks actually made him pay for it)

But good thing Keith has advocates like you who are looking to look past his actions


I'm not looking past it at all. Daniels hit could just as easily be looked at as a cheap shot. Which was my point. Meaning, by your own standards, he needed to be taught a lesson for taking a run at a Chicago star player. Keith was suspended on the play, losing money out of his pocket. The suspension wasn't as long as I thought it should have been, but he was suspended nonetheless. His revenge ended badly for himself and for Daniel. If Keith was going to be gone after it should have been done that game when the incident happened, not a year later. Keith is still a star player in his own right so going after him, again by your own standard, means they have to exaxct revenge. Which brings me back to the question: where does it end? And will it make any real difference. Ballard has thrown his hip check on grunts and star players alike. People have gone after him for it. Has he stopped throwing hip checks? Nope. So much for "teaching him a lesson". But at least the reaction was immediate. Torres has been gone after for his questionable hits. Has it stopped him? Nope. So much for "teaching him a lesson". It's all in your head that it does anything.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:56 PM

I find it amazing how many people are so focused on toughness and retaliation sice the bruins won. Just shows how much of a copy cat mindset people have.

You don't need to goon it up to win. If you play a fast skilled game you can very easily win it all. Or does everyone forget how Detroit got so many banners?

I'm saying I'd like to see our team play soft and get pushed around the ice. We do a good job of playing physical, but all this talk about not being gritty enoug and not retaliating enough is rubbish. That doesn't help us win and isn't that what matters? There's more than one way to win, wouldn't mind if we thought bit outside of the box on how to do so. If every team is trying to get bigger and grittier(ala Boston LA) who's to say a smaller quick team on every line wouldn't have success.

Detroit actually had May or McCarty in the lineup when they were winning cups. They haven't won a damned thing since they went hard core pacifist.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:03 PM

Basically who cares. If someone wants to take a cheap shot at a star player, do you really think the prospect of someone trying to fight him will deter him?
Most fights the guy will take maybe 1 or 2 clean shots to the face. That's not much of a deterrent. Who hasn't been hit a few times in the face, it's no big deal.


Exactly what I've been saying. It hasn't stopped Ballard from throwing hip checks. It hasn't stopped Torres from throwing questionable hits. It never stopped Cooke from throwing questionable hits. Suspensions is what changed Cookes game. Keith knows if he does something that stupid again he'll be a repeat offender and get a longer suspension. That's the real deterrent. Shannahan said afterwards that had he known the seriousness of Daniels injury the suspension would have been longer. But when he talked the Danny he said he was fine. Hence only five games.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:27 PM

The Sedin hit was clean, Keith was admiring his pass and Sedin was finishing his check.

The Keith hit was a dirty elbow to the head while Sedin didn't have the puck and was not able to defend himself.


You guys gotta keep mind that Baggins most likely isn't a canucks fan and likes to stir the pot. Where's Gs picture of the boat when you need it?

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 07:44 PM

Aaron Rome is in the house. That should pretty much resolve this.
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