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#31 Zamboni_14

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:01 AM

Snort, snort , I'm so sure those natives are overfishing......the land of 1000 lakes....


look up Red Lake in Minnesota. It's the largest inclosed (non-boarder) lake in Minnesota that also happens to be mostly "owned" by the Red Lake tribe in Minnesota.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:30 AM

Quite the source, does it happen to have a link?



I went to high school, natives I was in school with bragged about it all the time. They would recieve an allowance to show up to class and be present for attendance, then skip out or wander the halls after attendance was taken. Not meant to offend or anything, just simply what it was when I went to school.

Not everything you live or experience has a " link " or a " source " take my word or don't. I don't really care, just explaining an experience I had.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:33 AM

I went to high school, natives I was in school with bragged about it all the time. They would recieve an allowance to show up to class and be present for attendance, then skip out or wander the halls after attendance was taken. Not meant to offend or anything, just simply what it was when I went to school.

Not everything you live or experience has a " link " or a " source " take my word or don't. I don't really care, just explaining an experience I had.


Been there, shared that .. now we must help them move beyond that .. it will take folks who understand the problem to help Government and Natives find a path forward .. and that path MUST be found ..
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:17 AM

*snort* oh... ok. You must not be familiar with the over fishing that happens in some of Minnesota lakes due to how the natives "respect mother earth."


*snort* oh... ok. You must not be familiar with the over fishing that happens in some of Minnesota lakes due to how the natives "respect mother earth."

You must ignore the amount of commercial fishers out on the mouth of the Fraser, or the thousands of boats overfishing the coast. The natives of Minnesota are treaty indians, meaning, they get treated like crap. How else are they supposed to live? Im sure the us gov will give them a hand. Its not like they wiped out almost all the american indian tribes, all 90 million of them. For money.

Respect Mother Earth? .. guess you never followed a truck load of native lads tossing their empties out as they head back home .. or is that good for Nature? .. :P

Oh and the amount of pollutants corporations pump out every day is minuscule to a couple beer cans? Because a drop of beer can pollute 100 gallons of fresh water right? Or using 100 gallons of fresh water to make a litre of oil is ethical? Im a hunter and i see caucasians leave their hunting and RV camps filthy. The whole backroads of BC is littered with their waste. In fact, they back up to an opening and dump loads of garbage off. Starting wildfires and ruining ecosystems. You really know nothing of the matter so why would you pin it on a couple measly beer cans?



Im sick of this racism.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:56 AM

I'm brown, spent a lot of time in Arizona, and would move there if I could, and have never encountered racial profiling there. Of course I don't look like an illegal  nor do I have "Gangster" tattooed across my face so that helps.

I have however experienced all sorts of issues in Vancouver however, whether its regularily getting stopped and asked for ID on the street, or getting constantly followed around in stores etc, its pretty blantant.

I believe the problem is that the Deliverance hillbillies around here in most cases mistake me for Native, not just me but my Brazilian girlfriend's family and my Italian-Mexican's friends family as well.

Anybody who says Natives have it easy or that the perks they have are worth the discrimination.


I think you should study better about the Brazilian Indians before make an opinion like this. our "natives" now have more privileges than an "average" Brazilian citizen, they (Indians) delay/stop important facilities that will give progress to our country (like the "Belo Monte powerplant"), the indians are always saying that river is a "God´s river", but only now! before we start build the powerplant they said nothing but now the Indians always go there and disturb the workers. Indians don´t fly in single engine airplanes. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! they only fly in Twin-engine airplanes or turboprops even if the airplane is a Cessna 206 or a Cessna Caravan. I dealed with them in the jungle and for god sake they´re annoying many and many times! "Indian will not fly on the steel bird with one mouth! Inidian want fly on the 2 mouths steel bird!".The "Native Brazilian" is the people how gave this country progress and history, like the "Caboclos", the "Candangos", the "Sertanejos", the "Pampeanos" etc. these people actually did something for this nation....
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:36 AM

You must ignore the amount of commercial fishers out on the mouth of the Fraser, or the thousands of boats overfishing the coast. The natives of Minnesota are treaty indians, meaning, they get treated like crap. How else are they supposed to live? Im sure the us gov will give them a hand. Its not like they wiped out almost all the american indian tribes, all 90 million of them. For money.

Oh and the amount of pollutants corporations pump out every day is minuscule to a couple beer cans? Because a drop of beer can pollute 100 gallons of fresh water right? Or using 100 gallons of fresh water to make a litre of oil is ethical? Im a hunter and i see caucasians leave their hunting and RV camps filthy. The whole backroads of BC is littered with their waste. In fact, they back up to an opening and dump loads of garbage off. Starting wildfires and ruining ecosystems. You really know nothing of the matter so why would you pin it on a couple measly beer cans?

Im sick of this racism.

Good lord.. :picard:
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:45 AM

Thats why they respect mother earth, because it was here before anything.

You must ignore the amount of commercial fishers out on the mouth of the Fraser, or the thousands of boats overfishing the coast. The natives of Minnesota are treaty indians, meaning, they get treated like crap. How else are they supposed to live? Im sure the us gov will give them a hand. Its not like they wiped out almost all the american indian tribes, all 90 million of them. For money.


Oh and the amount of pollutants corporations pump out every day is minuscule to a couple beer cans? Because a drop of beer can pollute 100 gallons of fresh water right? Or using 100 gallons of fresh water to make a litre of oil is ethical? Im a hunter and i see caucasians leave their hunting and RV camps filthy. The whole backroads of BC is littered with their waste. In fact, they back up to an opening and dump loads of garbage off. Starting wildfires and ruining ecosystems. You really know nothing of the matter so why would you pin it on a couple measly beer cans?



Im sick of this racism.


Me too.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:05 AM

look up Red Lake in Minnesota. It's the largest inclosed (non-boarder) lake in Minnesota that also happens to be mostly "owned" by the Red Lake tribe in Minnesota.


Red lake Chippewa number around the 5k mark for their population, compare that to the state population, around 5 million people call Minnesota home. 1 native for every 1000 people is not going to overfish your precious red lake.
What if i said the other 999 per 1000 are the ones more likely to illegally fish. Aren't they more likely to leave behind rubbish and over fill their outboard motors dumping gasoline and oil? , dumping RV grey water?

Is it an overfishing Issue? Or is it about something else?
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:43 AM

I think you should study better about the Brazilian Indians before make an opinion like this. our "natives" now have more privileges than an "average" Brazilian citizen, they (Indians) delay/stop important facilities that will give progress to our country (like the "Belo Monte powerplant"), the indians are always saying that river is a "God´s river", but only now! before we start build the powerplant they said nothing but now the Indians always go there and disturb the workers. Indians don´t fly in single engine airplanes. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! they only fly in Twin-engine airplanes or turboprops even if the airplane is a Cessna 206 or a Cessna Caravan. I dealed with them in the jungle and for god sake they´re annoying many and many times! "Indian will not fly on the steel bird with one mouth! Inidian want fly on the 2 mouths steel bird!".The "Native Brazilian" is the people how gave this country progress and history, like the "Caboclos", the "Candangos", the "Sertanejos", the "Pampeanos" etc. these people actually did something for this nation....


We're talking about the U.S. and Canada though.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:20 PM

We're talking about the U.S. and Canada though.


ok. but even in this case. why this segregation? native, imigrant, born here or not. one day I learned that "Your home is were your heart lives. and you may have many homes if your heart is big".
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:23 PM

We're talking about the U.S. and Canada though.


ok. but why this segregation? natives, imigrants, born here or not, fight for us or not. one day I learned this: "your country is where your heart lives, you may have more and more homes if your heart is big enought to hug them"
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

Well, we all have our opinion, and I respect everybody for speaking their mind. In the end, we're all trying to survive. just live your life. we all got bills to pay, and lives to maintain. I apologize if any of my comments offended anyone. just gotta move on.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:46 PM

ok. but even in this case. why this segregation? native, imigrant, born here or not. one day I learned that "Your home is were your heart lives. and you may have many homes if your heart is big".

That's my thought process being a dual citizen, except the US double taxes you on income made while living in Canada. It's no wonder an increasing amount of Americans have been renouncing their citizenship of late.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:56 PM

Oh and the amount of pollutants corporations pump out every day is minuscule to a couple beer cans? Because a drop of beer can pollute 100 gallons of fresh water right? Or using 100 gallons of fresh water to make a litre of oil is ethical? Im a hunter and i see caucasians leave their hunting and RV camps filthy. The whole backroads of BC is littered with their waste. In fact, they back up to an opening and dump loads of garbage off. Starting wildfires and ruining ecosystems. You really know nothing of the matter so why would you pin it on a couple measly beer cans?



Im sick of this racism.


I was not being racist .. I was stating a fact! .. too many Natives have zero credibility when they preach one thing and practice another .. in this way they are no different than any other "race" .. just because a bunch of white folk treat Mother Nature like a garbage can does not mean Natives should get any slack either ..

I have spent my life in the bush and working with Natives all over BC .. I have conducted week long Survival Training Courses for Native bands thruout the north .. many of the young Natives want to return to their roots and reaquire the skills and knowledge they have lost .. I have helped many Bands both on Haida Qwaii and in the Northern Interior .. :)
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:37 PM

I was not being racist .. I was stating a fact! .. too many Natives have zero credibility when they preach one thing and practice another .. in this way they are no different than any other "race" .. just because a bunch of white folk treat Mother Nature like a garbage can does not mean Natives should get any slack either ..

I have spent my life in the bush and working with Natives all over BC .. I have conducted week long Survival Training Courses for Native bands thruout the north .. many of the young Natives want to return to their roots and reaquire the skills and knowledge they have lost .. I have helped many Bands both on Haida Qwaii and in the Northern Interior .. :)


My apologies, like i said, were all in this together. All trying to live ect...


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:40 PM

My apologies, like i said, were all in this together. All trying to live ect...


The sooner we all realize that we are in this together, the sooner we can all start pulling in the same direction .. :)
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

I don't know if this is what was meant, but in high school here the students that were native bragged regularly about being paid an allowance to just show up to class and have a certain attendance record.

Quite the source, does it happen to have a link?


Same thing happened to the native students at my school. They received a weekly allowance from the government to attend classes. I don't have a "source" or "link" either, but I'll tell you that I went to Lake Trail Middle School, in Courtney BC.

But on to the video. I love the reaction of the protestors, when that guy completely showed them up.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:55 PM

Same thing happened to the native students at my school. They received a weekly allowance from the government to attend classes. I don't have a "source" or "link" either, but I'll tell you that I went to Lake Trail Middle School, in Courtney BC.

But on to the video. I love the reaction of the protestors, when that guy completely showed them up.

Probably the same thing that happens when a few religious nuts show up to a heavy metal concert to protest, shouting things at people in line attending the event. Most ignore them, some pay attention and shout back, a very few probably do something stupid.

If you want to see some real interesting things just wait until the next illegal immigrant enforcement law/statute/initiative passes. Extensive enforcement of illegal immigration riles up Hispanics in states like California.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:18 PM

You must ignore the amount of commercial fishers out on the mouth of the Fraser, or the thousands of boats overfishing the coast. The natives of Minnesota are treaty indians, meaning, they get treated like crap. How else are they supposed to live? Im sure the us gov will give them a hand. Its not like they wiped out almost all the american indian tribes, all 90 million of them. For money.


I'm not saying that other people don't overfish... but when you try to state how natives respect the earth more, that's when I have an issue. Same goes for remarks like how they were all peaceful... sorry they were no different than Europeans when it came to war and taking over lands (the difference is that they would war with other natives rather than going oversea.)

But you do bring up an outstanding point about the poverty that occurs on some of these reservations. I've seen many that are in dire need of help and really do NEED to be able to commercially fish to survive, but then I've also seen how the more "powerful" tribes bribe and lobby at the state level to keep some of those other tribes "down" so they can continue to reap the benefits at the cost of helping those they want to call "brother" when it suits their needs.

Great example is how Minnesota was looking into state run casinos with 50% going to some of the worst tribes (including the Red Lake tribe.) Well guess who did all they could to block that from happening? 3 tribes that run the largest casinos in Minnesota. Meanwhile they pay for radio ads saying how they've donated $2mill to the Red Lake tribe for improvements. In other words... "we help our fellow tribes out... but only enough to make it sound like we actually care, when we don't."
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:26 PM

Red lake Chippewa number around the 5k mark for their population, compare that to the state population, around 5 million people call Minnesota home. 1 native for every 1000 people is not going to overfish your precious red lake.
What if i said the other 999 per 1000 are the ones more likely to illegally fish. Aren't they more likely to leave behind rubbish and over fill their outboard motors dumping gasoline and oil? , dumping RV grey water?

Is it an overfishing Issue? Or is it about something else?


ummmm... again, most of the lake is owned by the reservation (meaning it is off limits to non-tribesmen.) I'm not saying that some poachers don't break the law, but do you honestly believe that THAT many law breakers are the reason for it being overfished? And yes, it was overfished to the point where they halted commercial fishing.. now it's returned with limits;
http://minnesota.pub...walleye-fishing

As for leaving garbage behind or doing more damage to the lake due to motors and such... sorry, but natives are just as likely to leave garbage behind.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:31 PM

I'm not saying that other people don't overfish... but when you try to state how natives respect the earth more, that's when I have an issue. Same goes for remarks like how they were all peaceful... sorry they were no different than Europeans when it came to war and taking over lands (the difference is that they would war with other natives rather than going oversea.)

But you do bring up an outstanding point about the poverty that occurs on some of these reservations. I've seen many that are in dire need of help and really do NEED to be able to commercially fish to survive, but then I've also seen how the more "powerful" tribes bribe and lobby at the state level to keep some of those other tribes "down" so they can continue to reap the benefits at the cost of helping those they want to call "brother" when it suits their needs.

Great example is how Minnesota was looking into state run casinos with 50% going to some of the worst tribes (including the Red Lake tribe.) Well guess who did all they could to block that from happening? 3 tribes that run the largest casinos in Minnesota. Meanwhile they pay for radio ads saying how they've donated $2mill to the Red Lake tribe for improvements. In other words... "we help our fellow tribes out... but only enough to make it sound like we actually care, when we don't."

The tribe/casino problem is prevalent in California as well.

Wonder when people will learn that throwing money at a group doesn't solve problems, nor does special treatment. Equal treatment under the law is sufficient.
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