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#1 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:56 PM

To Colorado:
Billy Sweatt
Yann Sauve

To Vancouver:
Cameron Gaunce
Cond. 5th round pick 2014 ---> Turns into a 4th if Yann Sauve or Billy Sweatt play 15+ games next year.

Sweatt has been turning a corner lately, but with the Canucks forward depth, realistically where does he fit in? Schroeder & Gordon are already above him on the depth chart. Volpatti + Weise + Ebbett also, and they're already up. After this year Jensen, Gaunce, Rodin, Archibald and potentially a couple more will also be fighting for a roster spot. Maybe more depending on how things unfold.

Yann Sauve has struggled and is not a lost cause, but Tanev, Connauton and Andersson are all showing to be more NHL-ready. Plus, Vancouver always seems to play with 2 depth defensemen on the roster (Barker, Alberts) and potentially one vet with the Wolves (Vandermeer, in the past Baumer).

Cameron Gaunce is the same age, from the same draft as Sauve. He's played 11 NHL games, but his stat line has also seem to have taken a hit this year. But he's +19 over the last two years (leading his team in +/- last year). At 6'1, 203 pounds he's not too small to be a defensive defenseman.

HF TA (take it for what it is):

While not as polished as some of the Avs' defensive prospects, Gaunce has a well-rounded game that includes a gritty, physical side. He has a strong slapshot, makes smart decisions with the puck and has a great work ethic.


All of these guys are RFAs at the end of the year.

So, to break it down.. Gaunce has slightly more value than Sauve at the moment, and Billy Sweatt has slightly more value than a cond.5th. Which I think makes a pretty fair, lateral trade for two teams with some prospects who potentially need a change of scenery to help with their development.

This also caters to Vancouver's 1st round from last year, Brendan Gaunce.. as they're brothers. GMMG oft. has brought players in w/ connections, for example off the top of my head: re-signed both Sedins (obv.), brought in both Sweatts, invited the 2nd Vesterholm twin over for a look, Lapierre & AV, Lapierre & Higgins, signed Chris Tanev who had a relation of sorts with Dave Gagner, drafted Ian Clarke's son, traded for Pahlsson (long relationship with the Sedins), offered Kesler's boyhood hero Modano a contract, etc.

I believe Gillis does this to make players more comfortable, but also more wanted. He likes to show players that he knows about the mind-side/sentimental side of things, not just stats.

Obviously he doesn't always just make moves for the sake of making moves, but I think this is good for both teams and helps the Canucks for the future in 2 different ways, whereas Sweatt and Sauve are both long shots (i'm not saying they have no chance!!) at the moment.

Thoughts?

Edited by Teemu Selšnne, 10 February 2013 - 07:57 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:07 PM

Move.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:08 PM

I wouldn't give up on Sauve just yet. He looked good in the couple of games he played a year or two ago on the big club. The car accident he had also put a stall on his development. While I do like the fact that MG would try to reunite players (Gaunce brothers), I would be hesitant if it was at the expense of Yann Sauve.
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#4 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:18 PM

I wouldn't give up on Sauve just yet. He looked good in the couple of games he played a year or two ago on the big club. The car accident he had also put a stall on his development. While I do like the fact that MG would try to reunite players (Gaunce brothers), I would be hesitant if it was at the expense of Yann Sauve.


Fair enough, me too. I think Sauve does have potential, but I don't see it as that much higher than Gaunce's and Gaunce's helpfulness to the Canucks comes in other ways as well.
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#5 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:18 PM

Move.


Oops, thanks.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:33 PM

Who the hell uses 'Denver' in place of Colorado.....
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 08:44 PM

Why would we have to give up Sweatt and Sauve for Gaunce?

One or the other would be good enough. But I wouldn't give up either for Gaunce at this point.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:32 PM

Why would we have to give up Sweatt and Sauve for Gaunce?

One or the other would be good enough. But I wouldn't give up either for Gaunce at this point.


I don't think either Sauve or Sweatt are quite as good as Gaunce, but that's just my opinion; if one could fetch him I would like that even more, for sure.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:32 PM

Who the hell uses 'Denver' in place of Colorado.....


Well, I did. Did it confuse you? Sorry.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 10:50 PM

Would be willing to do Sauve, although I doubt his value is quite at Gaunces level.

To me:

Sweatt = Gaunce.

I would like having both Gaunces's. But I just wouldn't do it as we have alot of defenders in the pipeline with Gaunce's upside.

If we are doing a prospect swap we should look at nabbing Tyler Graovac from Minny, he and B.Gaunce have played really well together with the Bulls.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 10 February 2013 - 10:51 PM.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:20 PM

Would be willing to do Sauve, although I doubt his value is quite at Gaunces level.

To me:

Sweatt = Gaunce.

I would like having both Gaunces's. But I just wouldn't do it as we have alot of defenders in the pipeline with Gaunce's upside.

If we are doing a prospect swap we should look at nabbing Tyler Graovac from Minny, he and B.Gaunce have played really well together with the Bulls.


Would love to see TG here, the reason I was suggesting Gaunce is because his value, if anything has dropped from a 2nd rounder, whereas TG's has probably exploded from a 7th.

Also everyone in this deal is an upcoming RFA, where is Graovac's contract days haven't even begun yet and his value is likely to only rise.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:47 PM

Would love to see TG here, the reason I was suggesting Gaunce is because his value, if anything has dropped from a 2nd rounder, whereas TG's has probably exploded from a 7th.

Also everyone in this deal is an upcoming RFA, where is Graovac's contract days haven't even begun yet and his value is likely to only rise.


That's why we gotta pick him up now.

I would do Connaution or Connaution+

He has struggled but KC is still a good prospect, the entire team has been in a funk.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:05 AM

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This also caters to Vancouver's 1st round from last year, Brendan Gaunce.. as they're brothers. GMMG oft. has brought players in w/ connections, for example off the top of my head: re-signed both Sedins (obv.), brought in both Sweatts, invited the 2nd Vesterholm twin over for a look, Lapierre & AV, Lapierre & Higgins, signed Chris Tanev who had a relation of sorts with Dave Gagner, drafted Ian Clarke's son, traded for Pahlsson (long relationship with the Sedins), offered Kesler's boyhood hero Modano a contract, etc.

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When? Just so he could retire here?
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#14 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:07 AM

When? Just so he could retire here?


For one more season, but then he retired instead.


Modano told The Associated Press Wednesday that he recently declined a tryout with the Vancouver Canucks.

"I wasn't working out much. I wasn't skating," he said. "There wasn't motivation to do much. I was traveling and at that point, I said, 'Let's pick a day here and get the thing on the calendar.'"


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