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#1 elvis15

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:21 PM

The Rangers are a team that doesn't have a lot of needs right now. They haven't done well in the standing but are trying to climb back up as they currently sit in 8th in the East - although teams like Toronto and Pittsburgh who are 4 points ahead in the standings have played two more games.

The one situation that's interesting is Brian Boyle is about to sit for his 3rd game in a row as a healthy scratch. Stepan has been centering the second line and Miller has been good after coming up (Kreider is listed as a center some sites but has been playing LW for them).

Boyle’s struggles this season are well documented, going beyond his ugly stat line (no goals, one assist, minus-3) as Rangers head coach John Tortorella took aim at Boyle’s poor performance in various facets of the game, including two he values highly.
“[Boyle] hasn’t done a good job killing penalties; I don’t think he’s done a good enough job blocking shots,”Tortorella said last week.
While it might sound like the relationship between player and coach is at an all-time low, Torts was quick to point out he hasn’t written off Boyle entirely.
“When Brian gets in, like I said, I hope he never lets me put myself in this decision again,” Tortorella explained. “”I believe Brian will be a big part of it, I just don’t know when I’ll change the lineup.”


It certainly sounds like a wake up call versus them being ready to let him go, but what if they were considering it. What would they need/want in return?

From Vancouver's perspective, we have some extra forwards and might want to upgrade our 3rd line center while also getting bigger. It's no secret Boyle would fit the bill for us, and is under contract for only $1.7M through next season. Would New York consider adding a not-too-dissimilar prospect to Boyle in return?

To Van: Brian Boyle
To NYR: LaBate, 2nd

The Rangers have traded away their 1st for the 2013 draft, but also have 2 extra 3rd round picks (one being conditional). They traded their 5th and 7th round picks, so might want to upgrade a little there. and they add to their pretty decent prospect pool despite being fairly set on their NHL roster already.

I'm sure we wouldn't give up our 1st, certainly not without being assured of one already in return for a goalie, so I'm not sure we'd get away with LaBate and a 2nd. They won't want or need Raymond, Higgins, etc. so perhaps another team has better value to offer? Who would it be that would consider this for New York would trade with if they decided to?

EDIT: I thought of Raymond in there (with the difference in value in picks adjusted) as we need to clear a spot to bring someone else in but they really don't need another roster forward unless it's as depth or a clear improvement over who they already have.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:23 PM

Sign me up. I think Boyle is that big third line center we've been missing for a while
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:27 PM

theyd probably want raymond not a prospect. Id personally try and push harder for a better upgrade. dream would be O'reilly

hes huge 6'7 244lb, not sure how well he skates does anyone? as we have good speed on the 3rd line, could he keep up?
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:30 PM

Boyle is not slow by NHL standards, but is not fast either.

He would have trouble keeping up with Hansen and Raymond, but not an issue with Higgins or Kassian.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:42 PM

I don't think Boyle is worth a 2nd in this draft, maybe a 3rd, but overall I think he would be a great addition for our 4th line.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:42 PM

theyd probably want raymond not a prospect. Id personally try and push harder for a better upgrade. dream would be O'reilly

hes huge 6'7 244lb, not sure how well he skates does anyone? as we have good speed on the 3rd line, could he keep up?

Where would Raymond fit for them though? I had him in originally with LaBate (with a 3rd from their side and our pick being a 5th or 6th) then took him out because I couldn't figure out where he'd go.

Boyle's a decent skater, but one of their hit leaders and not bad in the faceoff dot. Maybe they consider someone like Higgins coming back, or Lapierre as a trade, but do we want to move them for him?

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

they have 2 rookies playing in the top 9, hagelin has his ups and downs. raymond would provide excellent speed and could play anywhere in their top 9, pk and if he shows chemistry maybe be given a shot on 2nd pp.

We have the depth, and for us trading a speedster for something that is more of a need. Like a 3rd line center

Once booth and kesler are back, we still lack a more veteran proven 3rd line center. For a playoff run and more physical presence schroeder is not our ideal 3rd line center.

Not saying boyle is the best choice but its an option i suppose.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 02:56 PM

when taylor pyatt is on your top 6 which i believe he has been on occasion, thats easy, id take raymond over pyatt playing those kind of minutes
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:06 PM

In my ever so honest opinion, Torts is a fantastic coach and is able to get alot out of players....much like AV. Now if Torts is unhappy and cant light a fire under a players keestet then there is something wrong with that player. Maybe Boyle needs change of scenery? Has discovered that being a pro athlete in NTC area doesnt make fiscal sense? There seems to be a good storm brewing with the Rags not meeting up to expectations after coughin up alot to get Nash in the off-season. This just goes to prove all you arm chair fellas who have model line-ups with a stacked over-priced first line, and forced to plug in cheap 2/3/4th lines. Surely Sather balances this out or makes changes at trade deadline. If they want to say throw Dan Girardi this way, that would be nice too lol..... Jusss sayinnnn

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:15 PM

Raymond and a 1st for Stepan.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:22 PM

Raymond and a 1st for Stepan.

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:35 PM

I'll take Schroeder over Boyle. I'd look at getting Jaden Schwartz out of St.Louis though. He doesn't have a place in their top 6 where he thrives and his numbers have been poor this year. He was scratched their last game.

Schwartz's speed and playmaking would be a great addition to the Nucks or at the very least he would receive 1st line minutes and Powerplay time on the Wolves.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:43 PM

I'll take Schroeder over Boyle. I'd look at getting Jaden Schwartz out of St.Louis though. He doesn't have a place in their top 6 where he thrives and his numbers have been poor this year. He was scratched their last game.

Schwartz's speed and playmaking would be a great addition to the Nucks or at the very least he would receive 1st line minutes and Powerplay time on the Wolves.

I'm not talking about using Boyle for the 2nd line at all, I'd rather keep Schroeder there as well. When it comes to the third line however, Boyle is a much better option. Depending on who's playing well, Lappy on the 3rd for more speed and Boyle on the 4th for size and toughness could also work, he's just a bit more expensive to have there.

I don't see bringing in another top 6 C unless he's a clear upgrade to push Kesler to the wing, or a future fit that is still developing.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 04:50 PM

I'm not talking about using Boyle for the 2nd line at all, I'd rather keep Schroeder there as well. When it comes to the third line however, Boyle is a much better option. Depending on who's playing well, Lappy on the 3rd for more speed and Boyle on the 4th for size and toughness could also work, he's just a bit more expensive to have there.

I don't see bringing in another top 6 C unless he's a clear upgrade to push Kesler to the wing, or a future fit that is still developing.


One question though, and I may have missed this, but, where does Malhotra fit in all of this?
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:04 PM

One question though, and I may have missed this, but, where does Malhotra fit in all of this?


In the press box....as it should be


He's a great guy, but he's pretty useless on this team now, aside from his faceoffs, which even took a hit last season
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:10 PM

One question though, and I may have missed this, but, where does Malhotra fit in all of this?

Look great behind the bench or in a Wolves uni
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:21 PM

Rangers healthy fwds
Nash - Richards - Gaborik
Kreider - Stepan - Callahan
Hagelin - Boyle (Miller if he got traded) - Pyatt
Asham - Halpern - Powe

Don't see much room for Raymond, maybe could push Pyatt down
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 05:43 PM

One question though, and I may have missed this, but, where does Malhotra fit in all of this?

He's shared the center/wing role with Lappy in order to take key faceoffs in the past. No reason to think it'd be different here as I don't think the Rangers would take him back or he'd be likely to waive his NTC after just having had a baby.

Rangers healthy fwds
Nash - Richards - Gaborik
Kreider - Stepan - Callahan
Hagelin - Boyle (Miller if he got traded) - Pyatt
Asham - Halpern - Powe

Don't see much room for Raymond, maybe could push Pyatt down

That was my issue after I thought about including him, but I was also initially thinking they had Kreider at center on the second and Miller at center on the third (possibly filling in on the right wing).

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:11 PM

If we can get him for cheap, sure. But I think other teams would be able to offer something a bit better.

Really though we don't have a need for him, even throwing JS aside, when healthy we have Max who Boyle isn't an upgrade on, and Manny for the 4th line role.

(I know people think he is "useless", but he is very unappreciated, not sure what people expect from a 4th line center, but having a 4th line center who is a PK specialist and the best faceoff man in the league is someone I am very satisfied having for that role)

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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:00 PM

I like Lapierre, and think he's good as a 3rd line center but he's never had a lot of offensive production. He got 19 last year, but he's only had one year above that (28) with Montreal in 2008/09. Boyle's had 26 last year and 35 the year prior, and you expect something more along the lines of that for production in your top 9.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

If we can get him for cheap, sure. But I think other teams would be able to offer something a bit better.

Really though we don't have a need for him, even throwing JS aside, when healthy we have Max who Boyle isn't an upgrade on, and Manny for the 4th line role.

(I know people think he is "useless", but he is very unappreciated, not sure what people expect from a 4th line center, but having a 4th line center who is a PK specialist and the best faceoff man in the league is someone I am very satisfied having for that role)


I wouldn't consider him the BEST face-off man in the league anymore and he is getting more slow in general. I think a young, energetic player would be a better option to have. Volpatti for example, I'm not sure who else though. Weise would be a clear choice if only he could finish plays
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:32 PM

I wouldn't consider him the BEST face-off man in the league anymore and he is getting more slow in general. I think a young, energetic player would be a better option to have. Volpatti for example, I'm not sure who else though. Weise would be a clear choice if only he could finish plays

If you take out people with less than 20 faceoff attempts, it looks like this:

Leo Komarov (25 attempts) 68%
Rich Peverley (83) 66.3%
Manny Malhotra (98) 65.3%
Scott Gomez (54) 64.8%
Patrice Bergeron (212) 64.6%

Top 5 in the NHL is someone I'd consider one of the best faceoff men in the league, even after he had to adjust away from a move he used often, cleaning out the puck with his hand on draws. I absolutely agree the rest of his game has dropped off, but he's still fairly valuable in pressure situations - especially when out next best faceoff man in Kesler is still out injured.

To relate it back to the thread, Boyle would make Manny a little more expendable but not by much. Boyle would be neck and neck with Henrik for faceoff % and ahead of everyone else on the roster but Malhotra (apart from Kesler, who hasn't played yet). It's something to keep in mind if we do think we can't rely on Manny apart from anything other than a faceoff specialist.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:44 PM

I wouldn't consider him the BEST face-off man in the league anymore and he is getting more slow in general. I think a young, energetic player would be a better option to have. Volpatti for example, I'm not sure who else though. Weise would be a clear choice if only he could finish plays


This is pretty much my reply:

If you take out people with less than 20 faceoff attempts, it looks like this:

Leo Komarov (25 attempts) 68%
Rich Peverley (83) 66.3%
Manny Malhotra (98) 65.3%
Scott Gomez (54) 64.8%
Patrice Bergeron (212) 64.6%

Top 5 in the NHL is someone I'd consider one of the best faceoff men in the league, even after he had to adjust away from a move he used often, cleaning out the puck with his hand on draws. I absolutely agree the rest of his game has dropped off, but he's still fairly valuable in pressure situations - especially when out next best faceoff man in Kesler is still out injured.


I think he is definetly top 5 and he is important, we saw last night Henrik had to take some D zone draws just by himself then get off, and in the playoffs that would wear him down being put out there in those situations. That's where Manny comes in handy, we have Kes and Lappy as 2 solid RH guys, then Henrik and Manny to take LH draws. He is also a good PKer.

He still is fast enough to play at this level and I am fine with him no bringing much offense, with him faceoff ability and PK/defensive ability he is still a very valuable and serviceable 4th liner for us.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:56 PM

With the unfortunate news about Malhotra, Boyle would be a decent replacement if available, Jordon's been playing great but im not sure how he'd do in the playoffs. Boyle would give us that much needed size and then some. He seems decent in both sides of the ice. He could be our big buff just park him in front of the net and let the Sedins and our defencemen bounce pucks off him lol
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:23 PM

With the unfortunate news about Malhotra, Boyle would be a decent replacement if available, Jordon's been playing great but im not sure how he'd do in the playoffs. Boyle would give us that much needed size and then some. He seems decent in both sides of the ice. He could be our big buff just park him in front of the net and let the Sedins and our defencemen bounce pucks off him lol


Even with Schroeder playing well and in the line-up, Boyle would be a great addition. We need more depth at centre. We could also use a banger who can play a regular shift.

Sedin Sedin Burrows
Booth Kesler Higgins
Raymond Schroeder Hansen
Boyle Lapierre Kassian

Perhaps the League's best fourth line.

EDIT: there would also be line-up versatility. Higgins and Kassian could play up and down the line-up. Boyle could play all over the place, including centre on the third or fourth line.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:26 PM

With news that Malhotra is done, I'm all for this move. Boyle would be sick on that 4th line.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:13 PM

Like I said initially, likely just to light a fire under him:

Boyle back in Rangers’ lineup tonight

After three games of sitting and watching as a healthy scratch, Rangers forward Brian Boyle will be back in action tonight against the Islanders at MSG.

“I know I can play better and I’m going to,” said Boyle, per ESPN New York.


The 28-year-old forward that scored 21 goals in 2010-11 has just one assist in nine games this season.


On Tuesday, Boyle said it was “infuriating” sitting out. “And it’s pissing me off a lot,” he added.

It appears Boyle’s opportunity at redemption will come at the expense of forward Chris Kreider, who will apparently be a healthy scratch. The 21-year-old played just 9:40 against the Bruins on Tuesday and has only scored once in seven games.

I'd still be interested in getting him for the right price, but he's back in the lineup tonight after Krieder's slumping a bit as a rookie.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:20 PM

If Boyle is left-handed, I'd be interested in him. Perfect 4th line center.

Not interested in giving away anymore than Ebbet + 3rd though.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:21 PM

I know it can be a padded stat but Boyle had 8 hits tonight too. He definitely could soften up some bodies over a series.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:28 PM

If Boyle is left-handed, I'd be interested in him. Perfect 4th line center.

Not interested in giving away anymore than Ebbet + 3rd though.


I think it would take a lot more than that. Paul Gaustad cost a 1st rounder last year.
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