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The bigger problem is that it seems that we are the only team in the NHL without a capable fighter on defense? I mean if you look at other teams, they have at least 1 or 2 defensemen who can fight. Our toughest guy on defense is KB3, who is not under 200 pounds.

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Bolland would not beat up Kesler and Kane would not beat up Burrows.

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That post was a recipe for 10 flavours of stupid. You admit we have Bieksa who is definitely a good fighter, we have Vandermeer should we need him for a playoff series. Then up front we have Volpatti and Kass. So what is your complaint?

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Why is it so important to have a capable fighter on defense? The Canucks' style of play requires MOBILE defenseman, you get some 230lb + tough D man he wouldn't fit into the Canucks' system. We had plenty of big tough D men in 09 they were completely exposed by Chicago, why do you think Gillis acquired mobile D like Ehrhoff Hammer and Ballard.

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we definitely need a big nasty net clearing Defensemen that can pound people, Alberts is not that guy.

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we definitely need a big nasty net clearing Defensemen that can pound people, Alberts is not that guy.

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Look at the Leafs since they added toughness into their lineup....now sitting 4th in the league.

With Mark Fraser, Colton Orr, Frazer McLaren, Mike Brown, Dino Phaneuf, Franson etc, the Leafs are now one of the toughest team in the NHL. I don't think even the Bruins can intimdate them.

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All those who see this as an issue?

I'm just interested as to what your solutions are? cause that's part of identify the problem; being able to also give an explanation on how to solve said problem.

So what is the solution to this "issue"?

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Show me a team that wins because of toughness, and I'll show you one that doesn't win because of toughness.

Toughness helps, but you still need your skilled players, and goalies, to step up when it matters. We have yet to have our skilled players step up consistently in the playoffs, and that's why we haven't won it all yet.

It's a fine balance between toughness and skill, and Gillis has been trying to find the right balance. But thinking that if we just add a bunch of tough players, that we'll win is a ridiculous notion.

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You should google the words "Maple Leafs PDO"

I think that will speak a lot more clearly about whats going on.

I don't want to tell you that you're wrong... but to say that Frazer Mcclaren is the reason the Leafs are doing decent is the furthest thing possible from correct.

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I am sure if you ask the Leafs players (soft players like Kadri, Bozak etc) if the presence of McClaren, Frazer and Orr make them better, their answer would be YES. The soft players on the leafs now won't be intimadated by those big teams like the Fleyrs, Burins....if you can't see this fact, you are blind.....

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errr.... pls kindly tell me were the Leaf finished the past 4 seasons. Thank you kindly.

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That's the whole point. The leafs sucked for the past 4 years under Wilson, who does not like BIG and TOUGH hokcey. Now with the new coach, the team adds several legit tough guys and look what happened? The Leafs used to get owed by big teams like the Flyers, but the leafs have already beaten the Flyers twice this season. See the point?

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That's the whole point. The leafs sucked for the past 4 years under Wilson, who does not like BIG and TOUGH hokcey. Now with the new coach, the team adds several legit tough guys and look what happened? The Leafs used to get owed by big teams like the Flyers, but the leafs have already beaten the Flyers twice this season. See the point?

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That's the whole point. The leafs sucked for the past 4 years under Wilson, who does not like BIG and TOUGH hokcey. Now with the new coach, the team adds several legit tough guys and look what happened? The Leafs used to get owed by big teams like the Flyers, but the leafs have already beaten the Flyers twice this season. See the point?

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"If you can't beat em in the ally you can't beat em on the ice" Conn Smythe

Toughness has always been a part of the equation, nearly every cup winner has had its share of tough guys and enforcers, the trick is finding tough guys who can play a regular shift (Chris Neil, Brandon Prust) and not take too many stupid penalties that hurt you. Tough guys are not the same as Goons or Thugs.

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Wilson doesn't like big and tough hockey? where are you getting your facts from? And no, under the new coach they only added McLaren. It's ridiculous to think that adding McLaren suddenly made them a good team. They have good prospects stepping up right now Kadri, Frattin JVR Kulemin and that's why they've had a little success recently. I don't see the point Leafs used to get owned by everybody not just big teams, beating Philly in 2 regular season games prove nothing.

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