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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:19 AM

Yes it is.

Re watch the SCF, and hear what Craig Simpson said of the crowd. "the crowd is dead"


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:51 AM

Something doesn't add up.... If the Southsiders were in the last rows... how was this guy behind them?


Isn't that often the case in these discussions though? "They weren't doing anyting wrong!!!" usually ends with "...but for swearing and dumping a beer on the person in front of them". Usually people's standard is what they will tolerate ("nothing wrong with being a bit loud and rowdy"). Standing all the time and yelling might be your way of enjoying the game and is "harmless fun" but it is really annoying for the person behind them who also paid good money to watch the game, not the back of someone's head. It's hard to strike a balance.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:52 AM

Families can't afford to go anyways! 4 tickets is anywhere from 600-800 dollars!


Depends on the family! For some, $1,000 for a night out is nothing.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:38 AM

It can be quiet at times in Rogers, sometimes maybe the security is a bit overzealous, but that doesn't mean that they are kicking people out for no good reason. As a season ticket holder of many years, I believe that someone who stands up with their cell phone to their ear waving should be kicked out, you are not there to be seen by someone at the other end of the arena, if you want to see them go to the other end of the arena....
Unfortunately there are too many people at games who still can't handle their alcohol, it only takes one or two to ruin an evening for many. I feel bad for the Southsiders, they are incredible fans, and for them to show up for a Canucks game was awesome. It's a little different int he upper bowl of Rogers, it's not actually totally safe to be standing for the whole game, unlike the bottom corner of BC Place. The security has a tough job, it's apparently very difficult for some fans to understand the concept that when they tell you to not lean on the bar in front, they actually mean that.
But face it, the sort of fans who leave with 6 minutes left in a 1 goal game are probably not the sort who will make much noise anyway.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:40 AM

Isn't that often the case in these discussions though? "They weren't doing anyting wrong!!!" usually ends with "...but for swearing and dumping a beer on the person in front of them". Usually people's standard is what they will tolerate ("nothing wrong with being a bit loud and rowdy"). Standing all the time and yelling might be your way of enjoying the game and is "harmless fun" but it is really annoying for the person behind them who also paid good money to watch the game, not the back of someone's head. It's hard to strike a balance.


Yeah but someone blatantly said that they were standing the whole game and blocking their view.
How can they block the view if they are last row as no one would be behind them?
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:43 AM

The crowd cant be expected to be to loud on a Wednesday night games against Minny. I have noticed over the years that Rogers can be a quiet arena, but most of the time it's due to the game.

Hockey has changed into a sport that is more of a defensive battle with scoring chances being at a premium. The Canuck fans know hockey and tend to be bored with this style of todays NHL. With that being said, games being played against Chicago or Detroit tend to bring the excitement level up a notch and that in turn gets the fans more excited. I've noticed the change in atmosphere when better teams come to town.

Come playoff time, things change and the fans are generally more excited and get into it. If the southsiders did get kicked out for being to loud last night, then that is just stupid. I hope it was for another reason then this.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:44 AM

When I was younger, I went to a Canucks game and snuck in a Nestea.
Stupidly, I cracked the can open during a pause in play and the sound of cracking the can open was somehow heard by security and I saw them running up the steps to "confiscate" it.

I chugged the Nestea in 8 seconds and gave them the empty can by the time they finally got up to the nosebleeds.

lol, they need to do something better with their lives.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:46 AM

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There's a reason why places like Boston, Chicago, and Philly are tough buildings to play in.

Their fans are loud, ruthless drunks, and they don't get kicked out for yelling and cheering.

Oh, but we've gotta keep the suits on their blackberries happy. God forbid you make some noise at a sporting event.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:15 PM

It's totally amazing how many seem to equate being loud with alcohol. Can't be loud without booze? Absolutely amazing. Essentially, it appears the idea is to get the people with their blackberries drunk, and all will be good in the arena? I hate the majority of fans downstairs, but with the cost of tickets, and the finite number available, we will always have a number attending who just want to be seen.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:30 PM

I have 2 questions.. Just curious, did the security tighten up after the riot or has it always been this way?

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Sorry I don't actually live in Vancouver, who are the southsiders?

I haven't been to a live game since I was 7 in 92 but notice the terrible crowd every game on TV. It's almost embarrassing as a Canuck fan to be associated with the worst crowd in the league. I would love to see a big article written every year that ranks them all 1-30. Maybe it would open the eyes of gillis and co and embarrass them once they see they are ranked 30th in live hockey game experience.




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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:46 PM

Yeah but someone blatantly said that they were standing the whole game and blocking their view.
How can they block the view if they are last row as no one would be behind them?


It's because in the section they were in they were the last few rows of the 300 level (the upper bowl) however directly behind them is the 400 level Sports Lounge which also has seats, often for disabled people and families.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:47 PM

I have 2 questions.. Just curious, did the security tighten up after the riot or has it always been this way?

And

Sorry I don't actually live in Vancouver, who are the southsiders?

I haven't been to a live game since I was 7 in 92 but notice the terrible crowd every game on TV. It's almost embarrassing as a Canuck fan to be associated with the worst crowd in the league. I would love to see a big article written every year that ranks them all 1-30. Maybe it would open the eyes of gillis and co and embarrass them once they see they are ranked 30th in live hockey game experience.


The southsiders are a group of people who go to every whitecaps home game and create chants and sing, bang drums and create a great atmosphere at BC place. I guess they decided to come to rogers arena and liven the place up a bit. I'm guessing security saw them as a threat and shut them down asap. Which is ridiculous, they're great people.

Look i know everyone wants a great alive loud relentless crowd who cheers at every little play but it's just not gonna happen, not unless an incentive to change this comes down from management. The people who go to Canucks game, the majority anyway, just want to sit there and watch the game. It's sad but true.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:06 PM

Next time this happens let's all of us go yell about it at The Bay. Maybe start some fires. No cameras.

:lol: If only we could all sneak in some vuvuzela's....

For all that are annoyed with how quiet Rogers Arena is, save the money you would spend on your next couple of Canucks games and just get season tickets for the Whitecaps.

Hah so true. Student season ticket prices are $199 for all home games. That's like what, 15, 17 games? That's much more worth it compared to one ticket to a Canucks game, which is almost the same price for one or two people.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:10 PM

i dont think anyone has a problem with the singing or cheering chanting whatever you want to call it. but i know if my season tickets were behind them ( the southsiders were rows 13-15 in the bud zone so it is possible) i would be pretty annoyed. I certainly dont want to stand the whole game and if i take my dad who is in his late 70's he cant stand that long.

People pay a lot of money to see the canucks, not the back of some guys head or his scarf. Need to realize that just because you want to stand the whole game not everywhere else does or should have too as well. they are called "seats" for a reason.

But we do need to do something to get some atmosphere in the building and if that is by adding a standing/cheering section then great - but it needs to be designated like the whitecaps.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:19 PM

i dont think anyone has a problem with the singing or cheering chanting whatever you want to call it. but i know if my season tickets were behind them ( the southsiders were rows 13-15 in the bud zone so it is possible) i would be pretty annoyed. I certainly dont want to stand the whole game and if i take my dad who is in his late 70's he cant stand that long.

People pay a lot of money to see the canucks, not the back of some guys head or his scarf. Need to realize that just because you want to stand the whole game not everywhere else does or should have too as well. they are called "seats" for a reason.

But we do need to do something to get some atmosphere in the building and if that is by adding a standing/cheering section then great - but it needs to be designated like the whitecaps.


Your point is very rational if there were people behind them - however, as we can see in this picture, there was no one behind them in this situation:

https://twitter.com/...8770817/photo/1
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:19 PM

I was at the game tonight and i know its Been beaten with a dead horse but i just want to re-iterate how quiet and un-intimidating Rogers arena is! I had a friend from the EAST text me tonight who was watching the game on TSN and he asked if the weather has everyone feeling gloom and doom..

Im a season ticket holder and i lose my voice almost every other day for the Canucks when they are at home but I'll be the 1st to admitt that Rogers Arena is a morgue! Unless a goal is scored or "make some noise" is flashed up on the big screen the arena is dead silent!!!!!! WOW places like the Bell Centre in Montreal or MTS Centre in the Peg puts Vancouver to shame!!!!!

lol and the southsiders getting thrown out ! ahah what a joke!!!


Soooo many fair weathered yet over opinionated fans we have especially for a city that has won nothing!!!


I absolutely hate "make some noise"...you shouldn't be told when you should be cheering period.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:23 PM

Your point is very rational if there were people behind them - however, as we can see in this picture, there was no one behind them in this situation:

https://twitter.com/...8770817/photo/1


how is there not people behind them? there is guys standing in row 12 or 13 and there is clearly people behind them sitting down especially the section right beside them rows 14-15 would have obstructed view of the far corner.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:24 PM

Caller on TEAM 1040 just said he was directly behind them in section 301 and they were standing, waving scarves, and leaning over the railings. He was one of the people who asked the security to ask the Southsiders to move. He claims he couldn't see the ice at all because the Southsiders were holding scarves up the whole time.

Not sure what to make of that...

I think you need to be careful to consider both sides of the story here.

The Southsiders can be a pretty rowdy bunch. At the same time, GM Place can be a little quiet.

Pretty much this.

I love a good atmosphere, but even people thinking "oh, I was just leaning forward a bit" isn't a issue don't consider the sight lines of the people behind them. People pay good money to go see a Canucks game, and it might be the only game they can afford to go to in a year - or longer if they make the trip from someone else. Even if being rude and obnoxious wasn't the issue, would you want to miss the actual game because some people were standing up, leaning forward and/or waiving things in your line of sight the whole time?

For instance:
"I wondered why this seat was so cheap!"
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"I'll hold this sign up all game!"
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Or "This hat shows just how much team spirit I have!"
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:34 PM

Maybe just maybe its because Vancouver has informed fans that care about the game. Often times I am so intesely focused on what is happening on the Ice I'm not yelling and screaming my ass off just for the sake of doing so. Those rowdy/loud fans miss a lot of what is happening the game due to trying to get the attention of people in the crowd. Also like others have said it is expensive to go to Canuck games and you are their to be entertained and not paying to be the entertainment for other spectators. Also it gets loud in there, when the Canucks score I bet it is just as loud as most buildings in the NHL. I would rather Roger's arena operate with some class rather than anything goes attitude like in Boston and Chicago etc.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:46 PM

Anyone who ever saw a Canucks game in the Pacific Coliseum knows that Canucks fans can be loud, rowdy and make it a tough place to be a visiting team...........GM PLace/Rogers arena has been a damper on the spirit of fans, for whatever reason, be it corporations holding seasons tix, security, or a different type of person coming to the games.

It's sad, really, we used to be loud and proud.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:55 PM

Security is very selective at Rogers; the likelyhood of being tossed goes up dramatically if you are wearing a jersey other than the Canucks or even if you yell at Canuck players (I once saw a guy wearing a Canuck jersey kicked out for yelling "You're a bum, Burrows" and nothing more). One more reason (one of many) why I will never again attend a game in person.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:57 PM

Just for reference, here's what maximum crowd noise at Rogers Arena sounds like. (Skip through it)



There's no soccer style singing. No standing holding scarves. Nobody cares if the person sitting next to them is on the phone. Or if some people aren't cheering hard enough. Just a building full of fans enjoying the game they love.

If you want to be a cheerleader, be a cheerleader. Good for you. But it's hockey. This is Canada. I think we know how to cheer at a hockey game, thank you very much.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:11 PM

If you want to be a cheerleader, be a cheerleader. Good for you. But it's hockey. This is Canada. I think we know how to cheer at a hockey game, thank you very much.


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Posted 13 February 2013 - 02:18 PM

As loud as the gold medal game was it was even louder after the 'dragon slayer' goal.

Prior to that, for the whole 3rd period and OT, you could hear a pin drop for most of the time and it wasn't because Canuck fans don't know how to cheer. It was because everyone was fully focused on the game itself.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:15 PM

oh how I envy the Montreal Canadien fans.......
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:21 PM

I don't cheer when I go to games unless something happens. Hell ya, I'll sit in silence if the play is good. Deal with it.
Also, I hate idiots that won't shut it for the entire game. You know the ones. The guys that have to be the centre of attention for the entire section. Some of us just want to sit there and watch the goddamn game.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

Security = trolls

Edited by pwnstar, 13 February 2013 - 03:35 PM.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 03:52 PM

I go to the games to watch hockey not to hear some idiots yelling, swearing or singing. I will jump up if we score and am on my phone at time due to work which some of us have to deal with. I leave early sometime cause I have to get up at 5am the next day regardless of how entertaining the game is and want to beat the rush. I am the lower bowel stereotype many of you talk about on the outside but I am an avid hockey fan and played at a pretty high level for many years.

I hate this let the real hockey fans in crap. The NHL is a for profit company. If your a real hockey fan fork over the money and if you can't then watch the game at home like a I did for many years. Those "suits" are the reason you have an NHL team. Does anyone think we could spend to the cap every year without them? I don't think so.



At the olympics I was sitting in front of JOE SAKIC's box did he cheer a single time though out the game? NO!!Was he on his phone at times? YESS!! During Canada vs Russia. Is he a true hockey lover? YES!
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:01 PM

I go to the games to watch hockey not to hear some idiots yelling, swearing or singing. I will jump up if we score and am on my phone at time due to work which some of us have to deal with. I leave early sometime cause I have to get up at 5am the next day regardless of how entertaining the game is and want to beat the rush. I am the lower bowel stereotype many of you talk about on the outside but I am an avid hockey fan and played at a pretty high level for many years.

I hate this let the real hockey fans in crap. The NHL is a for profit company. If your a real hockey fan fork over the money and if you can't then watch the game at home like a I did for many years. Those "suits" are the reason you have an NHL team. Does anyone think we could spend to the cap every year without them? I don't think so.



At the olympics I was sitting in front of JOE SAKIC's box did he cheer a single time though out the game? NO!!Was he on his phone at times? YESS!! During Canada vs Russia. Is he a true hockey lover? YES!


You're no Joe Sakic........when you get elected to the HHOF, then you can compare yourself to him.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

As loud as the gold medal game was it was even louder after the 'dragon slayer' goal.

Prior to that, for the whole 3rd period and OT, you could hear a pin drop for most of the time and it wasn't because Canuck fans don't know how to cheer. It was because everyone was fully focused on the game itself.


I don't disagree, but as someone who has played in front of 10-15 000 fans many times, the power of the crowd is something that people in Vancouver (or the people who instruct the security guards) don't seem to grasp.

When you are the visiting team and the fans are loud, rowdy and behind the home team, it can be a very intimidating thing. When you're the home team, it pumps you right up!
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